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Yami Ryu
8th November 2005, 3:36 AM
Alright, I have no idea where this should be posted, so I asked an Smod that was acitive at the time and he said put it here. So I have. My gripe is this, swearing is not allowed. Hentai is not allowed, for those that don't know it, Hentai is basically a new slang term which is japanese, but english term would be porn/hard core porn.

And yet, I have seen countless people; from a Mod, to a handfull of users with soft core porn in their sigs. Banners or Pics, or both. I linked to the newest user with Click at own risk (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a12/absol-chan/65e80a84.jpg) in their sig, and you know Joe? The Head Honcho? He said there was nothing wrong with that/asked what was wrong with it? aside from the obvious (most likely pre-teen )Absol 'anthro' nearly showing it all >.> but I guess that flew over Joe's head.

The point I'm getting at, is why the hell are there swear filters or rules against hentai/porn/etc, when 'tame' versions are allowed in sig's it seems? I mean ffs, if this is allowed, then the filters for swearing should be turned off.

Kiyohime
8th November 2005, 3:41 AM
Exactly. XP I remember getting irritated after I came back from a brief absence to find swearing wasn't allowed, and a warning had to be put up if there were swearing in fanfictions.

Now, I realize a lot of people dislike swearing, but if it doesn't offend people directly, it doesn't really cause a lot of fuss in the forums here I frequent. (Fanfiction section being one of them.) However, from what I've seen, ANY CHILD in third grade already knows swear words, thanks to the silent brodcasting system of bathroom stalls. I highly doubt anyone here is young enough to be alarmed by curse words.

There ARE some words that shouldn't be allowed, such as racial slurs and derogatory terms, but I see no reason in blocking d*mn, and so on. :/

core unit
8th November 2005, 4:07 AM
Wow thats a really good point you brought up, but I think I know why there is filters for swearing maybe because he doesn't want rasict words to be used. Besides from that the "filters" seem pretty pointless as anyone will know what the word f*ck is...what is the point of having the little * as a filter for? Everyone one should already know what that word is. I've seen younger kids curse their mouth off more than me. I've even seen a few mods ignore the censors by using Verdana font to by pass it. The word filters are stupid IMO but it's not like opinions matter in here anyway. >>

As for the light hentai images I have nothing to say but the rules against them should be enforced.


Btw this doesn't belong in the Site Discussion section.

Yami Ryu
8th November 2005, 4:08 AM
Scrap; exactly .-. I mean some things are blanked out for no reason, I was talking with a newbie writer on irc, and he was annoyed because the other term for a Donkey was censored out. I wouldn't complain if it was racial slurs that were blanked out. But to my knowledge they aren't.

Hm, I thought it was ratings that had to be done? But you'd think anyone with common sense would realise pg/pg13/R would suggest there is a chance for mature, or leaning towards mature content.


Now, I realize a lot of people dislike swearing, but if it doesn't offend people directly, it doesn't really cause a lot of fuss in the forums here I frequent.
^I remember when this was the rule ;; or it was one of those unspoken things. Man, I hate this now. And the only good thing about the filters, is it doesn't filter out like 'aishitaru' or 'assasin' or whatever.

edit: Core Unit, there's no filters for racist terms, I think, and I'm not about to write one to see, as I don't like even hearing the words used irl. And yeah it's sad about your point about opinions, as the thread most likely will get closed, as is the rule of 'swear evaders will be banned' and yet I've yet to see it happen, and wtf would there be a ban for evading it anyways? >> what if you did it for a fic- well oops, you evaded, byebye... and where should this have been put? >.>' cause I would have put it there if I'd known the right place XD

But it is nice to know I'm not the only one disgruntled/annoyed with the rules

Wolf Goddess
8th November 2005, 4:19 AM
That's not hentai. That's ecchi. And you're supposed to get ecchi images approved before use.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

That said, I agree with you. We're allowed ecchi but *** is oh so wrong? The hell?

IMO we should be allowed PG-13 content. ._.

Kiyohime
8th November 2005, 4:29 AM
Oh yes, especially since there's plenty of ecchi images to go around in Fanarts. :D Fun.

Chris
8th November 2005, 4:58 AM
I have seen some people with sigs of Haruka from hentai pics (you can tell one of them is from one cause of the obvious facial expression uh.."drop of cream" on a part of her hair.

It's amazing how many loopholes there are. ;\

PsiUmbreon
8th November 2005, 5:14 AM
The swear filters don't even matter, because if you said f*ck, people still know exactly what you're saying as if you said the whole word. They're pointless, but I guess they're there so that parents can't complain about it so much. -_-;

This doesn't mean I like them, fyi.

Yami Ryu
8th November 2005, 7:59 AM
That's not hentai. That's ecchi. And you're supposed to get ecchi images approved before use.

By terms of what 'Ecchi' means, lewd and indicent, that would be like a Monty Python sketch. But that doesn't mean soft porn should be allowed, ecchi or not. Aproved or not, I mean if I wanted to see half naked, or worse, more, 'anthro' pokemon, I'd like, GOOGLE ANTHROS. ... or Yahoo it. Yahoo gave me bad images once ._. And as I said before, that wasn't hentai/hard core porn, that's 'soft', as you can see the figure is naked, and if the pose was any different, it wouldn't be so innocent....

But seriously it's the hypocrisy that gets me, Joe doesn't want swears allowed in posts. As it offends people/upsets them/etc/whatever.

Yet, as you've said, Ecchi is allowed with approval. Meaning Joe's reasoning is a bit ... lacking.

I mean what is less damaging, a word that a parent can use soap/hot sauce/etc to make the kid not repeat it? and to those of you that have never had the treatment thank whatever deity watched out for you.

Or to see, well, something like that. To be honest, I think the picture is more damaging to small children then a few measily words .-.

-

Ed; can we say ew? Well, I can say ew. Ew. Ew. EW. ._.

Psi; *points to her main post* what Wolf Goddess said kinda makes that a moot point, as swearing is no worse than allowing stuff like I'm pointing out in sigs. I don't really want to say swearing > ecchi/hentai, but, I think in some cases, well.... I think you get my point ...

._. atleast in fanfiction there are warnings.

Chris
8th November 2005, 8:31 AM
And fanfiction's just words, rather than images. You have to actually read fanfiction, whereas images are staring right in front of you. :s

Hukuzo
8th November 2005, 8:36 AM
Is 'damn' a swear word?

TyraniRay
8th November 2005, 9:00 AM
Technecally, yes. Somehting to do with 'damn you to hell' I think. Most people don't mind it though.

Chris
8th November 2005, 9:46 AM
Damn is NOT a swear. >_>

Serebii
8th November 2005, 10:21 AM
Well fine, if you want I'll restate the rules and make them harsher but make everyone blame you instead of the usual gripe at me? Would you prefer that?

Any hentai and all that will be removed and swearing is NOT allowed and thats that

Yami Ryu
8th November 2005, 10:38 AM
Well fine, if you want I'll restate the rules and make them harsher but make everyone blame you instead of the usual gripe at me? Would you prefer that?

Any hentai and all that will be removed and swearing is NOT allowed and thats that

Um, Joe. Why would everyone blame me? I'm not the one that came up with the rule. I'm not the one that enforced the filter. I'm not the one that ticked off writers and RPGers when they find out their hard works suddenly have a whole lot of *'s floating around, and knowing that if they try to correct it so the *'s aren't there, they will be banned for a period of time, so are forced to stare at the fugly-ness of the little * that invaded their fanfics.

I remember when you had this going on along time ago Joe. And you took it away because all the writers, and I mean all the writers were fed up with it. I mean, why are you punishing everyone for the crimes of a few? If someone goes swear happy, the filter just does like the Jerry Springer show. It bleeps out the word but not the meaning. Proving it is redundant to have or use, and besides, the people that overtly swear could and can always be warned. Fanfiction always had warnings. What you're doing with the filter on swears is like the 'V' chips for american tv's.

So please, don't try to pass the blame onto me. I don't like being turned into anythings scape-goat, especially someone that's yelled racist at me nearly ten god damn times.

And besides, I was never the one to come up with the, how long a ban was it for the 'evaders', 24 hours? .-. so yeah, whatever. You can't pass whatever blame befalls you, onto me Joe; I'm just one of the people that finally had enough of the **** army appearing in fics and posted a thread about it.

Zephyr Flare
8th November 2005, 6:02 PM
Warnings about swears in fics? now I write the rules in there and that's certainly not one of mine...

Regarding fics Joe, admit you have no clue what you're doing. That astrosey of yours you put in there broke more than enough rules so don't even think about lecturing for there.


Just make is so the soft porn goes and at least TRY to find a compromise for the filter issue, see I said the word try, I'm sure your precious time which is also being neglected from fixing that server issue (Me being one of many who can't get on there now)

It's not that much to ask, a lot of us are sick enough as it is with FF.net you can put the fics up swears and all but the formatting gets utterly destroyed so we pick here for the same audience and the publicity and try to ebstablish a reasonable community of writers. We just need a compromise reached, thats it, nothing drastic.

Sandra

Serebii
8th November 2005, 6:03 PM
We cannot set the filter to only hit certain forums...its impossible and we need it for the other forums so the arguement is mute

Zephyr Flare
8th November 2005, 6:09 PM
Then at least spare the five minutes to sort that blasted server out, it sucks having to got hrough people to talk to anybody right now.

And to the above, doesn't of course cover the soft porn issue, regardless of what it's dubbed as there are still kiddies lurking.


SAndra

Serebii
8th November 2005, 6:11 PM
What server ¬¬

And we dont allow porn...jesus christ thats bloody obvious

Chris
8th November 2005, 6:26 PM
And to the above, doesn't of course cover the soft porn issue, regardless of what it's dubbed as there are still kiddies lurking.
I don't see any problem with them as long as you don't see anything. o_O

Zephyr Flare
8th November 2005, 6:33 PM
Phoenix that since it messed up half of can't get on it again, two computers on completely difefrent conenctions haven't since it had those 2 major downtimes.

And it would still be, Dev'd set it up as mature without thinking and as I said with kids around you know what they're like with things these days and how sue happy people get now so of course it's not clever to give canon fodder.

Sandra

Serebii
8th November 2005, 6:44 PM
Type /server 72.20.33.100

Get everyone who cant join to aswell

Zephyr Flare
8th November 2005, 6:51 PM
Off topic maybe but:

FINALLY

With this comp going down, lost all my mIRC server links, inluding the extra ones and nobody I could talk to as far as I'm aware knew this one... Bloody numbers.

Now to retake my chan...

Sandra