D/P Graphics

[Samayowa]

Ok...I looked and didn't see anything on this.... With all the screenshots of Ranger and Dungeon, I'm beginning to wander if the graphics for Diamond and Pearl are going to have similar garphics.. I would love it if they did,as long as the battle scense are 2D like the other games.... Personally I like the graphics so far they're clear(er) than the other games and they stand out [to me anyway] What are your thoughts or opinions on this?...

*Discuss*

Diamond and Pearl

[KirbyXD]

I hope it looks 2D too i guess. If it was 3D it would be braking originality. Since all portable pokemon games are 2D, I think it should stay like that or half and half.

[Samayowa]

I hope it looks 2D too i guess. If it was 3D it would be braking originality. Since all portable pokemon games are 2D, I think it should stay like that or half and half.

My thoughts exactly...(Great minds think alike) [I'm soo modest]


Diamond and Pearl

[KirbyXD]

yeah. Guess what I did in school.

topic. If it was 3D it would be a vast region to explore or to small like in GBA games the regions are vast and each one has good details and if it was 3D then they would just cram in the whole region and would mess up the game.

[Samayowa]

yeah. Guess what I did in school.

topic. If it was 3D it would be a vast region to explore or to small like in GBA games the regions are vast and each one has good details and if it was 3D then they would just cram in the whole region and would mess up the game.

Kinda like they did with Orre???

Diamond and Pearl

[KirbyXD]

I haven't played it but I seen screenshots and yes they srewed up. They should stick with 2D.

[Samayowa]

I haven't played it but I seen screenshots and yes they srewed up. They should stick with 2D.

That's one of the reasons I made this thread..because everybody (I overexagerated) wants it to be 3D when in reality it would just ruin the game...that's why I want it to be like Ranger and Mysterious Dungeon graphics.

Diamond and Pearl

[Deciteful]

I Like It 2D Its Ok Hope The Game Is Good....

[Light Wolf]

I liked Col/XD graphics, but I still prefer 2D for handhelds. I like the graphics of Ranger.
Mmmmm, I'm not sure but I think I've seen this discussion in a previous thread.

[Volteon]

for me the 3rd gen grafics are perfect! I can´t see more impovement in 2D grafics, ah, I prefer the 2D ones, simple and complex at the same time.

[Orion]

In my personal opinion, I DON'T want 3D graphics. I think than the Yoshi, Touch & Go! and/or Mario & Luigi, Partners in Time, would be great graphics for Pokemon Diamond & Pearl.

[Wolf Goddess]

I don't really care how it looks at this point, as long as the game is good.

But in all seriousness, I've always prefered my games in the second dimention.

[Light Wolf]

for me the 3rd gen grafics are perfect! I can´t see more impovement in 2D grafics, ah, I prefer the 2D ones, simple and complex at the same time.What are you talknig about!!!??? Look at other GBA games, like Golden Sun. Now think that D/P are for the DS. The graphics can be a lot better without leaving 2D.
Ranger's ones seem nice to me, at least.

[Samayowa]

What are you talknig about!!!??? Look at other GBA games, like Golden Sun. Now think that D/P are for the DS. The graphics can be a lot better without leaving 2D.
Ranger's ones seem nice to me, at least.


I too love Ranger's graphics...still 2D with some 3D qualities..^_^

Diamond and Pearl

[tinfoil]

I would like something like sonic rush's grafics. Mainly 2D with some 3d thrown in for important things

[AV_ROcK-Dark-TB]

I would like something like sonic rush's grafics. Mainly 2D with some 3d thrown in for important things yeah.....;303;

[bass_forte]

2D with First-person views would be nice. Another option I would like is Megaman Battle Network: 1-3 style overworld graphics. Something like this (http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/9986/2xhero6by.gif).

For battles, it would be ultra-spiffy if there was an actual animation for each attack, but I find that unlikely. Actually, it's not that unlikely... you wouldn't need that many frames for each Pokémon...

[AV_ROcK-Dark-TB]

Wow would love it to be like be like that!!!!!

[pokemon master:Stranger]

ok what a lot of people are thinking oh DS can not do 3D well shut up idiots the DS is more powerful then the N64 and there was stadium games that where 3D so whats the problem with 3D then, none apart from the game would have the bland attacks that where on colosseum but 3D is a great idea for battles but for the walking bits 2D is better.

[MaskedManAbsolkid]

ok what a lot of people are thinking oh DS can not do 3D well shut up idiots the DS is more powerful then the N64 and there was stadium games that where 3D so whats the problem with 3D then, none apart from the game would have the bland attacks that where on colosseum but 3D is a great idea for battles but for the walking bits 2D is better.

What are you talking about? We didn't mention that it can't do 3D, we were only saying that it looks better in 2D, which I agree with >_>

[smiley.]

I reckon it should be 2D overworld, but in batttles the pokemon could be 3D, but in the same positions as the GBA games, if that makes sense. :s

[Volteon]

What are you talknig about!!!??? Look at other GBA games, like Golden Sun. Now think that D/P are for the DS. The graphics can be a lot better without leaving 2D.
Ranger's ones seem nice to me, at least.
yes, this is true, but.... ah, I don´t know why I wrote that, I was out of me. I complete forgot about the new GBA games. (OMG so many "I"s)

[magnemiteZ]

in my own personal opinion, the 2D pokemon graphics are perfect! i think if they made graphics like on colosseum it would spoil the adventure cos that game handled terribly!
i think they should have the 2D graphics in the main game, and have lush 3D battles (like the battles in pokemon stadium!!). this would add a cool new conept to the battling experience, which is the only thing in the series that is getting a little boring.
also paired together with the 3D battles all the pokemon, when performing contact moves, should actually make contact, cos it is really annoying seeing them move.... but not hitting anything.
this should be done though without making it too final fantasy-esc (adding extra stats like evasion and accuracy).

[Atomic Boo]

I like the idea of 3D battles in a 2D world.
One thing though is when the battle begins i want it to be fast to get into the actual choosing what to do, Collosseum took ages to actually get started with a battle.

And with regards to the battle contact, that would make the game much better in my opinion. Some say as a 'kids' game it would be too violent but there are a lot more violent games kids could be playing where people (not funny animals) get killed in it, not faint, get KILLED.
Sorry, I got a bit dramatic there!

[Light Wolf]

If the battles are in 3D, I hope the attacks don't take that much time like in past 3D games.
I still think that with good sprites, we don't need anything more. I was thinking that they could make the battles like in Fire Emblem (in the graphical aspect, I mean, I don't want to change the battle system). They won't need to make a back sprite. The DS carts are suppossed to be very big, so making two animations for each Pokémon won't take all the memory.

[Dark Venusaur]

I agree with Wolf goddess because the 2D or 3D dont matter its all about the game play

[Dunsparce]

2D Battles and 2D overworlds are the best IMO.






Hmmm... I wonder what would become of pokemon spriting if they made 3D battles...

[Talo!]

I think that the overworld of the games should be sharpened up a bit to be like golden sun or megaman battle network but still be in 2d. For battles I think they should still be in 2d but made a little better and the moves more realistic.. I dont really like how the pokemon look on coll/XD but i do like the sprites from the 3rd generation.

[clockjii]

The problem is that they have less detail and are blockier in 3d. I think 3d pokemon are way uglier.

[MetalMario]

What I would like to see is something like Four Swords for the GCN: Polished, detailed 2D graphics with advanced blending/particle effects. A Pokémon RPG just isn't the same without the grid, and particle/shading effects can get much nicer in a 2D environment with much less processing requirements than 3D.

Pokémon sprites, themselves, are a very charming aspect of the game, and it would be a shame if they're lost. (I also cringe at the thought of some of the ugly Colo shinies becoming 'permanent'.)

[XyronTheFalcon]

maybe a mix of both 2d and 3d gra[hics!?

[Kasaioni]

maybe a mix of both 2d and 3d gra[hics!? Ya my point exactly, it will be a 2 1/2 D world i imagine, its hard to explane.

[X the.only.trainer.ever X]

When are we expected to get some released information about the game - I'm dying to find out about this game

[sam_h12]

the same as Mysterious dungeon hands down. ranger is too diagonal

[Feity]

the same as Mysterious dungeon hands down. ranger is too diagonal
AKA Isometric...

I like the idea of 2D overworld and battles, but 3-D attacks and stuff.

[Light Wolf]

What I would like to see is something like Four Swords for the GCN: Polished, detailed 2D graphics with advanced blending/particle effects. A Pokémon RPG just isn't the same without the grid, and particle/shading effects can get much nicer in a 2D environment with much less processing requirements than 3D.

Pokémon sprites, themselves, are a very charming aspect of the game, and it would be a shame if they're lost. (I also cringe at the thought of some of the ugly Colo shinies becoming 'permanent'.)I agree completey with both of your ideas. Leave the 3D to Pokémon Revolution.

[girly]

I Think it should be 2D also.

[-Koumori-]

What I would like to see is something like Four Swords for the GCN: Polished, detailed 2D graphics with advanced blending/particle effects. A Pokémon RPG just isn't the same without the grid, and particle/shading effects can get much nicer in a 2D environment with much less processing requirements than 3D.

Pokémon sprites, themselves, are a very charming aspect of the game, and it would be a shame if they're lost. (I also cringe at the thought of some of the ugly Colo shinies becoming 'permanent'.)That's a great idea, really. Four Swords was amazing on the Gamecube - if they made it something like that, I'd be in heaven.

It would be more then a shame. They look unbelievably better then the 3D models.

I agree completey with both of your ideas. Leave the 3D to Pokémon Revolution.Hopefully they'll fix up the Pokemon in the next console Pokemon game, though. I'm getting tired of the same old models.

[dog247]

it will be the same as pokemon dash graphics

[Talons Fury]

I think that the overworld of the games should be sharpened up a bit to be like golden sun or megaman battle network but still be in 2d. For battles I think they should still be in 2d but made a little better and the moves more realistic.. I dont really like how the pokemon look on coll/XD but i do like the sprites from the 3rd generation.

yeah similar to u the same like 2d graphics but with that extra sharpened more relistic enancements to it that make it look better and have a like 3d hint but its actualy 2d i think u'll see the shapes and stuff better.

[Firemouse]

I think a lot of people have misconceptions about 3D. Just because it's 3D doesn't mean it has to look like the cube games. You can do 3D and change very little about how the games currently look or play. when I imagine 3D for a pokemon portable game, I think more like making what we have now (isometric top down) and instead making it true 3D. Keep the same perspective, but instead of being sprites made to look 3d, then can be true 3D rendered models.

Also, according to my watch, a battle in Colosseum takes less time than a battle in Emerald for me with all animations on on both. They need to speed that up in general.

I think they could do fine with 3D for the whole game, combining some of the cool technology the DS can pull off, and give the portable games a fresh breath of air about them. Some people are just too narrow minded and prejudiced about it that they dismiss it without even seeing what could be offered.

[Samayowa]

I think a lot of people have misconceptions about 3D. Just because it's 3D doesn't mean it has to look like the cube games. You can do 3D and change very little about how the games currently look or play. when I imagine 3D for a pokemon portable game, I think more like making what we have now (isometric top down) and instead making it true 3D. Keep the same perspective, but instead of being sprites made to look 3d, then can be true 3D rendered models.

Also, according to my watch, a battle in Colosseum takes less time than a battle in Emerald for me with all animations on on both. They need to speed that up in general.

I think they could do fine with 3D for the whole game, combining some of the cool technology the DS can pull off, and give the portable games a fresh breath of air about them. Some people are just too narrow minded and prejudiced about it that they dismiss it without even seeing what could be offered.

You make a good point..but, Me personally (and I'm sure a lot of other people) would like to see sprites instead of little lump like things.....but that's just my personal opinion...

Diamond and Pearl

[marktheshark]

it should be in full 3-d like pokemon stadium graphics or pokemon stadium 2 graphics

[Feity]

two words:

CEL

SHADING

kthxbye

[Torena No Nazo]

...Now that's an interesting point. Cell shading? It could work. Maybe. If done right.

3D, as long as they did it right could work really really well for the Pokemon games. But they can only do 2D in my opinion if they did it right, making lots and I mean LOTS of sprites that all flow and look good together. Like, have the main character blink and look around, or something...

[-Koumori-]

CEL

SHADING

kthxbye
Lies! That was five! The last three were slurred together as though you were intoxicated, that's all.

In any case, Cel Shading would be more fitting then regular 3D animation, as long as the movements didn't look stiff.

[Orgasmo]

Cel shading over Collo 3D anyday.

[Wolf Goddess]

I'd rather see Cell-Shading on a GC/Rev game than a portable, but it'd work better than typical 3D.

[-Koumori-]

I'd rather see Cell-Shading on a GC/Rev game than a portable, but it'd work better than typical 3D.
Definetly true. It's not that I'm against 3D on a Pokemon game. When done properly, it can look really good - XD was a step up, but they kept the same old models they've been using for years. But for the handheld Pokemon games, I've become accustomed to 2D.

Why would we get rid of that graphic style? I've always loved two-dimensional graphics more, since it seems that people focus so much on how realistic or awe-inspiring three-dimensional graphics can be. We know that in the most likely scenario, D/P will be like all the past generation games. We start off in a small town, pick a starter, catch and raise Pokemon, fight our rival, an 'evil' team, other trainers and Gym Leaders. Then at the end, we face the Elite Four. Personally, I wouldn't risk that simple but enjoyable game for the sake of 'better graphics' if it would alienate things.

[Light Wolf]

I still prefer 2D. IMO it's the best way to introduce us to the new Pokémon, with detailed sprites; and once we know them, throw a 3D game.
And they could make good animated sprites too. Think of the monsters on Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones. Simple but realistic.

[Pokemon Master Hani]

I would like the game to be 2-D, but for cutscenes and important parts 3-D

[sevendash]

If they use 3D models during battle, but have the camera stay in the same position it was for 3rd Gen, it'll be fine. Maybe have the walking finally be free and not tied to a grid?

[Samayowa]

If they use 3D models during battle, but have the camera stay in the same position it was for 3rd Gen, it'll be fine. Maybe have the walking finally be free and not tied to a grid?

That is a good idea but I would rather it look like Ranger and Mysterious Dungeion do...

[Shino The SoulKeeper]

please, oh great lord nintendo, ear my prayers, keep the pokemon's world in 2D. don't want to see unantialiased poké fighting together ... and yes, i'm "old school" and i want them to keep the traditional 2D ... but i'm not oposed if they re-work on the attaks, or even retouch them just a bit ^^

[Tropical Spirit]

I hope it is 2D. I hate how graphics seem to be the most important things in games these days. 3D graphics have many more graphical collisions, not to mention they are usually less enjoyable and more complicated. I HALO THAR SCREEN ROTATION.