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KaptainKadaver
17th November 2005, 11:29 AM
Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 68 Atk / 4 Def / 60 SAtk / 136 SDef
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam

Salamence (F) @ Choice Band ** Flying ****
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers ** Call me a *****
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Def / 46 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers ** Hahaha!
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 196 HP / 192 Def / 122 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Roar
- Spikes

Armaldo (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Battle Armor
EVs: 180 HP / 116 Atk / 112 Def / 100 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Knock Off
- Rock Slide
- Swords Dance

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 120 HP / 20 Def / 252 Spd / 116 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunderbolt

I think some evs are messed up.

Hey Micky!
17th November 2005, 12:31 PM
Standard teams with practically nothing to be corrected ftw! :)

Closest thing to advice this can be given is Rest on 'pert to go with Heal Bell and to put spin on armaldo, although the team looks fine as it is

aipomkong
17th November 2005, 7:48 PM
stupidly huge gengar weak

Calcos the Destroyer
18th November 2005, 1:48 AM
Pert seems to be a sweeper, so Pump is fine. Swap Skarmorys' Rest for Toxic. Rest is next to worthless on Skarm, so go with toxic. Why? Cause' you can F*CK up the opposing team by Toxicing' their whole team before they do anything. Skarmory and Swampert would be spectacular as a lead. post advice, Omastar.

Hiraitos Zero aka OCZ
18th November 2005, 1:50 AM
Swap Skarmorys' Rest for Toxic. Rest is next to worthless on Skarm, so go with toxic. Why? Cause' you can F*CK up the opposing team by Toxicing' their whole team before they do anything.
Every time a Skarmory has Toxic a Baby Kitten cries

Hey Micky!
18th November 2005, 2:08 AM
Swap Skarmorys' Rest for Toxic. Rest is next to worthless on Skarm, so go with toxic. Why? Cause' you can F*CK up the opposing team by Toxicing' their whole team before they do anything.
This is why new raters get flamed. Don't advise when You don't knwo what you're talking about


Every time a Skarmory has Toxic a Baby Kitten dries

PUrEHearT
18th November 2005, 2:10 AM
lol... willow.... cant you do something like banning this not-helping-at-all rater? i know you cant ban.... but cant you like ask SM to do it for you?

anyways swampy is a tank

Hiraitos Zero aka OCZ
18th November 2005, 2:11 AM
This is why new raters get flamed. Don't advise when You don't knwo what you're talking about
I knew that was directed at Calcos,but was that directed to me too?

(since you had my quote in your post)

Hey Micky!
18th November 2005, 3:11 AM
lol... willow.... cant you do something like banning this not-helping-at-all rater? i know you cant ban.... but cant you like ask SM to do it for you?

anyways swampy is a tank
Being a **** rater isn't groudns for banning I'm afraid :(


I knew that was directed at Calcos,but was that directed to me too?

(since you had my quote in your post)
I was correcting cries to dies.

Hiraitos Zero aka OCZ
18th November 2005, 3:36 AM
I was correcting cries to dies.
ok.

btw:it says dries XD

Kaiser
18th November 2005, 4:26 AM
Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 68 Atk / 4 Def / 60 SAtk / 136 SDef
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam

I like more defence so he can actually take metagross MM imo

Salamence (F) @ Choice Band ** Flying ****
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide


Blissey (F) @ Leftovers ** Call me a *****
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Def / 46 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

44 SDef > SAtk

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers ** Hahaha!
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 196 HP / about 405 (stat) def / a little spd / rest in atk
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Roar
- Spikes

skarm doesnt need any sdef


Armaldo (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Battle Armor
EVs: 180 HP / 116 Atk / 112 Def / 100 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power
- Knock Off
- Rock Slide
- Swords Dance

[B]U need eq more rapid spin less sd because armaldo cant do too much with SD imo

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 120 HP / 20 Def / 252 Spd / 116 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunderbolt

meh.

Light screen zapdos + FP gengar can actually hurt this team badly

-MK ;376;

PUrEHearT
18th November 2005, 11:29 PM
well tacnically i think keep doing bad rates (like what calcos is doing) is technically SPAM.... but anyways...

SpaceFlare
19th November 2005, 2:11 AM
needs more gengar counter.

KaptainKadaver
19th November 2005, 2:14 AM
So do I need to put like a Metagross in there? I'm thinking over either zappy or pert or armaldo.

Maybe it'll be agiligross.

EDIT:

Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 76 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Def / 88 Spd / 78 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Agility
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Explosion

Kaiser
19th November 2005, 3:07 AM
metagross isnt a gengar counter at all.
jirachi is,so celebi

-MK ;376;

SpaceFlare
19th November 2005, 7:31 AM
Maybe Jirachi over Armaldo or Zapdos. Your choice KK.

KaptainKadaver
19th November 2005, 7:48 AM
Metagross isn't?

Oh well. Will this Jirachi be ok? I'm putting it over pert.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 56 Spd / 8 SAtk / 56 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Wish

leafgreen386
19th November 2005, 9:58 PM
It only needs 240 HP if it doesn't have Sub. Btw, what is 250 Spd getting you? Go for 270, or even a little more to outspeed DDers imo. Go Bold and you won't need all that Def.

aipomkong
19th November 2005, 10:11 PM
metagross isnt a gengar counter at all.
jirachi is,so celebi

-MK ;376;

well yes it is

Kaiser
20th November 2005, 2:14 AM
no it isnt
u cant switch meta into gengar >_>

-MK ;376;

leafgreen386
20th November 2005, 6:03 AM
Well, not repeatedly anyway.

aipomkong
20th November 2005, 1:37 PM
urm focus punch does nothing, ice punch does nothing, thunderbolt doesn't do too much

meteor mash ohkos

get it?

Dragon Fire
20th November 2005, 5:21 PM
anyways swampy is a tank
Pert = Sweeper,mainly the Cursepert set.

Kaiser
20th November 2005, 7:21 PM
thunderbolt does about 37%.that hurts a lot imo

-MK ;376;

aipomkong
20th November 2005, 8:50 PM
+ leftovers = 30%
+ gengar probably switching out = 23%

Basics
21st November 2005, 12:31 AM
metagross isnt a gengar counter at all.
Got my daily chuckle out of this.

Gengar doesn't do much to Metagross on the switch without WoW (like 25-30% with Thunderbolt on my Metagross, IIRC) and Metagross can proceed to Meteor Mash the lil' *****', or force the switch. I use Metagross as my main 'Gar counter on alot of teams, and hey, I'm awesome.

shadowking
21st November 2005, 1:54 AM
like the team 8/10 but you can't counter everything also you need a ghost so it be spikes oriented team like genger for amraldo for smarkbliss counter and for rapid spinner trying to blow spikes away. i hope i help

KaptainKadaver
21st November 2005, 8:54 AM
So I'd go Agiligross over pert maybe and I'll lead with cb mence.

The team now:

Salamence (F) @ Choice Band ** Flying ****
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide

Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Def / 88 Spd / 72 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Agility
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Explosion

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers ** Call me a *****
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Def / 44 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers ** Hahaha!
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 196 HP / 192 Def / 122 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Roar
- Spikes

Armaldo (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Battle Armor
EVs: 180 HP / 116 Atk / 112 Def / 100 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rapid Spin
- Rock Slide

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 120 HP / 20 Def / 252 Spd / 116 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunderbolt

SpaceFlare
21st November 2005, 12:27 PM
Everything seems fine to me already. I dunno about the standards of the experts.

Fluorescent Adolescent
21st November 2005, 5:07 PM
Swampert problems with this team when zappy goes down.

And I prefer choice banded gross but considering you have sala as a choice bander, agiligross works.

aipomkong
21st November 2005, 5:31 PM
like the team 8/10 but you can't counter everything

it is impossible to counter every threat in RS with 6 pokemon

anyway swampert likes more defence

(only looked at first post for the actual team so nvm if you have actually posted a new swampert spread with more def evs)

Koopa
21st November 2005, 6:30 PM
but jirachi is a better gengar counter :D