Opening Changes! [Archive] - Serebii.Net Forums

ChaosMage

18th November 2005, 9:56 PM

Joe wanted a thread made, and I've made it.

OK, Dustox is now in the opening, and Manyula isn't. Chimecho is still there. Therefore, Chimecho still has hope and the popular lust for Jesse catching Manyula has been squashed.

Also, the scene with Mew and Rukario has been replaced with pictures for Mysterious Dungeon.

You'll notice that these alterations are similar to those made in the English opening, which removed both new pokemon. Could Nintendo have told both countries to remove undebuted new pokemon? The fact that they had a movie is irrelevent, apparantly.

Discuss...

Serebii

18th November 2005, 9:59 PM

PDL

18th November 2005, 10:19 PM

this might be a dumb question, but has "Angst May" always appeared in the opening? (or is it the ending?)

Shigeru-kun

18th November 2005, 10:22 PM

^ It's the opening, and yes, that scene of Haruka has always been in the Battle Frontier OP.

That is, unless you're talking about the sad scenes of Smile.

Lil Brother

18th November 2005, 10:23 PM

"Angst May' first appeared in Smile, I believe. Battle Fronteir is the second appearnace of it if I remember correctly...

Anyways, looks like 4Kids has new material to make a season 9 mutated opening now.

Gravy

18th November 2005, 10:24 PM

Yeah, she's still angsting it up, like the complex pre-teen she is~

I'm just wondering why its taken them all this time to include Dustox in the opening and why Chimecho is still there. The rest of the opening is fine, but the way they're handling that particular scene seems rather sloppy if you ask me.

The Mysterious dungeon add-ins SO make me want to see a pokémon-only spin-off show or special episode.

Shigeru-kun

18th November 2005, 10:30 PM

I'm just wondering why is taken them all this time to include Dustox in the opening and why Chimecho is still there.
This may sound a little out there, but do you think it's possible they forgot about it?

CyberCubed

18th November 2005, 10:32 PM

What is this "Angst May" you people speak of? Pic?

I wonder why Dustox wasn't in the original opening to begin with. Did the animators just forget that Jessie had it and then figured that out after they made the opening that they forgot a TR Pokemon?

Anyway glad to see Chimecho still there. I guess that's evidence enough that it won't be forgotten.

Looks like 4kids has some new animation to use for their Season 9 opening with the Mysterious dungeon stuff.

So, I guess we can assume that this opening will last all the way till D/P comes out. We'll just have the same opening with updated scenes here and there, and the filled in Brains.

I want some Hoso episodes about Mysterious dungeon. Seems like a cool idea and a bit better than the other "Pikachu shorts" they've made.

Gravy

18th November 2005, 10:35 PM

This may sound a little out there, but do you think it's possible they forgot about it?
I really wouldn't put it past them at this point. I mean, its only appeared like....once since the Frontier started. And it didn't appear much before that either.

What is this "Angst May" you people speak of? Pic?
You know....the part where she's sitting behind the tree and crying while the rest of the group are sitting around watching Masato and Squirtle mucking about.

Cerberus

18th November 2005, 11:10 PM

Heres the pictures of angsty May here on Serebii about half way down

http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/ending/015b.shtml

MaskedManAbsolkid

19th November 2005, 11:16 AM

So the anime team can't be bothered to add something going past Team Rocket?

I see that Bonsly's still in there though.

~Battle Frontier~

29th November 2005, 11:13 PM

When did the opening change? I don't remember when??

Lil Brother

29th November 2005, 11:15 PM

The opening changed with the episode Dragonair's Lake.

PDL

30th November 2005, 12:32 AM

Na thats not it, they're just advertising the latest thing...before it was the 8th movie...now its Mysterious Dungeon...when Ranger comes out chances are the dungon scenes will be replaced with Ranger pics

I thought that the Mysterious Dungeon and that ranger game were the same thing :\... or are they completely different?...

CyberCubed

30th November 2005, 1:05 AM

I thought that the Mysterious Dungeon and that ranger game were the same thing :\... or are they completely different?...

They're two different games. ;)

There's basically Mysterious Dungeon, Pokemon Ranger, AND Pokemon Diamond/Pearl.

It's 3 different games overall. So far Mysterious Dungeon is in the anime via the opening, but I don't know if they'll actually make an episode or special about it.

Ranger gets to be in the anime by having the female Ranger show up for at least one episode.

D/P will obviously be the focus of the anime next region.

I do wonder if the Ranger theme will carry over to the D/P games though...maybe you play as Pokemon Rangers in that game too?

JazzJazz

30th November 2005, 6:23 PM

D/P will obviously be the focus of the anime next region.

I do wonder if the Ranger theme will carry over to the D/P games though...maybe you play as Pokemon Rangers in that game too?

I don't think the ranger theme will be part of Diamond/Pearl... the big focus will be on the old (and damn good) RPG formula... which will reflect back into the anime.

Geki

1st December 2005, 12:40 AM

Bonsly is still in the opening because May's Egg will hatch into a Bonsly!!! I hate the updated ranger & dungeon pics though, they don't go with the anime at all.

Lil Brother

1st December 2005, 1:03 AM

Bonsly is still in the opening because May's Egg will hatch into a Bonsly!!!Yeah, and Ash kisses Misty in the last episode!!!

Grumpy Older Man

1st December 2005, 1:11 AM

They're two different games. ;)

There's basically Mysterious Dungeon, Pokemon Ranger, AND Pokemon Diamond/Pearl.

It's 3 different games overall. So far Mysterious Dungeon is in the anime via the opening, but I don't know if they'll actually make an episode or special about it.

Ranger gets to be in the anime by having the female Ranger show up for at least one episode.

D/P will obviously be the focus of the anime next region.

I do wonder if the Ranger theme will carry over to the D/P games though...maybe you play as Pokemon Rangers in that game too?
Four games, actually. Mysterious Dungeon is two games. >_> One for DS, the other for GBA.

V Faction

1st December 2005, 4:23 AM

Four games, actually. Mysterious Dungeon is two games. >_> One for DS, the other for GBA.
Well, if you're going to get meticulous like that, it's a grand total of five games: MG Red, MG Blue, Ranger, Diamond, AND Pearl.

^_^

Grumpy Older Man

1st December 2005, 5:12 AM

JazzJazz

1st December 2005, 6:18 PM

Well, I was under the impression that MD is two different games of the same title with different colors and on different handhelds. Unless I'm wrong, seeing as how I haven't followed up on anything regarding the MD games. >_>

Yeah, they're basically the same game... the major difference being the handheld of which they're played.

Serebii

1st December 2005, 6:36 PM

Intro will change again next week with an evolution of one of the main character's Pokémon ;)

jolteonjak

1st December 2005, 11:05 PM

Intro will change again next week with an evolution of one of the main character's Pokémon ;)

how cryptic. :-p

Momoko Lover

1st December 2005, 11:16 PM

One the main character's pokemon will evolve? Woah, this raises many questions. I think I can probably guess which pokemon it will be.Phanpy.

Edit: Never mind, I KNOW that it evolved now.

Gaiash

2nd December 2005, 11:14 AM

Intro will change again next week with an evolution of one of the main character's Pokémon ;)
Please don't be Corphish

Serebii

2nd December 2005, 11:34 AM

Na, it's Phanpy ;)

ChaosMage

2nd December 2005, 12:35 PM

So the little animation of Phanpy using Roll-out will be replaced by Donphan, and its other background appearances will be changed.

Gaiash

2nd December 2005, 12:49 PM

Na, it's Phanpy ;)
whoa really? Thats unexpected

Lovely May

2nd December 2005, 1:11 PM

Na, it's Phanpy ;)
Finally! Probably Donphan will be much stronger, serious and not so cute.
I didn't like "sweet" Phnapy. Anyway, Phnapy's evolution doesn't surprise me^^

Gaiash

2nd December 2005, 2:16 PM

Finally! Probably Donphan will be much stronger, serious and not so cute.
I didn't like "sweet" Phnapy. Anyway, Phnapy's evolution doesn't surprise me^^
Whats wrong with cute?

The Big Al

2nd December 2005, 2:19 PM

Whats wrong with cute?
Except it's annoying and old.

Gravy

2nd December 2005, 2:28 PM

MaskedManAbsolkid

2nd December 2005, 2:29 PM

And the fact that most cutesy pokemon belongs to May, and it'd be stupid for ash to own a pokemon because it's cute.

V Faction

2nd December 2005, 5:02 PM

Personally, I don't feel that Phanpy ever really seemed to fit in from the get-go anyway. And it certainly made his Frontier Team seem a little less complete. Corphish may not be an evolution, but he's still got that gritty attitude that makes him an essential part of the group's dynamics. Even Torkoal with its sensitivity issues seemed to slot inbetween all the others a hell of a lot better than Phanpy IMO.
Aesthetically, Donphan makes for a better member of the team.
Heh. I'm glad you added that aesthetically at the end there.

For what it's worth, that small condition is a reminder of how Pokemon do not have to change their inside personality. Like you say, Donphan is more pleasing to the eye when Ash's team is viewed from afar. But will that helpful, playful Phanpy charisma be forgotten? That we'll have to wait on to witness, but it's entire possible that Donphan will still act like a scrub.

What I'm trying to get at here is that that is something I like. If it's at all plausible, I'd like to see the same happen to Corphish. And nearly all the time, we as a group assume that it'll be a definite with Grovyle and his attitude.

DSRGBA

2nd December 2005, 5:31 PM

yeah corphish needs to evolve to make the team look powerful

Lovely May

2nd December 2005, 6:21 PM

It would be his first dark type pokemon. Finally something new.

Gaiash

2nd December 2005, 11:09 PM

yeah corphish needs to evolve to make the team look powerful
No Corphish does NOT need to evolve. Hes the only Houen Pokemon Ash has that hasn't evolved (Torkoal having no evolved form doesn't count) so he should stay as he is. No Pokemon need to evolve, besides Corphish has personality value as he is

Gravy

2nd December 2005, 11:37 PM

For what it's worth, that small condition is a reminder of how Pokemon do not have to change their inside personality. Like you say, Donphan is more pleasing to the eye when Ash's team is viewed from afar. But will that helpful, playful Phanpy charisma be forgotten? That we'll have to wait on to witness, but it's entire possible that Donphan will still act like a scrub.

What I'm trying to get at here is that that is something I like. If it's at all plausible, I'd like to see the same happen to Corphish. And nearly all the time, we as a group assume that it'll be a definite with Grovyle and his attitude.
I'd certainly hope not. I think a playful Donphan would work a lot better than a playful Phanpy. Its the sort of attitude you'd expect from one the little tykes, which doesn't make it seem as special. Whilst if you saw an evolved form acting the same way, it would make them seem like an oddball, and overall a lot more unique. Which makes it all the more fun to watch.
Thats why I don't think Phanpy really fit in with the rest. It wasn't a particulary bad pokémon by any means, but the combination of its appearence and personallity just seemed somewhat too generic in that sense. With a Donphan though, it doesn't seem like that at all. A tough-looking brute of a pokémon with a child-like personallity? Sounds like a decent potential personallity quirk to me.

Eh, I think the problem people have with Crawdaunt is that it just...doesn't look goofy enough. I find that Corphish, appearence, wise has this odd cartoony charm to him. He's simplistic, and has those huge cartoon-ish eyes and claws, so I guess people find that it works better like that. Though I don't think Crawdaunt pulling off the goofiness is out of the question or anything.

No Pokemon need to evolve
Totodile. Taillow. PHANPY.

I win :p

V Faction

2nd December 2005, 11:48 PM

I'd certainly hope not. I think a playful Donphan would work a lot better than a playful Phanpy. Its the sort of attitude you'd expect from one the little tykes, which doesn't make it seem as special. Whilst if you saw an evolved form acting the same way, it would make them seem like an oddball, and overall a lot more unique. Which makes it all the more fun to watch.
Thats why I don't think Phanpy really fit in with the rest. It wasn't a particulary bad pokémon by any means, but the combination of its appearence and personallity just seemed somewhat too generic in that sense. With a Donphan though, it doesn't seem like that at all. A tough-looking brute of a pokémon with a child-like personallity? Sounds like a decent potential personallity quirk to me.
I agree. What I don't wish brand-new Donphan to suffer from is the "Charmeleon Effect" (like teh namezors?). Glalie suffers from this now too. Now that 'phanpy' has a body that gives its personality some edge [maybe not edge, but something], changing the already present personality wouldn't settle right.

The last thing I want is to have Donphan become a mindless battling machine. No no, save that for Tetsuya's lame one.

Eh, I think the problem people have with Crawdaunt is that it just...doesn't look goofy enough. I find that Corphish, appearence, wise has this odd cartoony charm to him. He's simplistic, and has those huge cartoon-ish eyes and claws, so I guess people find that it works better like that. Though I don't think Crawdaunt pulling off the goofiness is out of the question or anything.
That's a valid feeling. I just don't want Corphish to be leftout. Hell, it's the most deserving of an evo, even if it's the LEAST likely.

And yet again you make another good point: Doesn't matter WHAT the Pokemon looks like, dem krazee writers can slap a personality on that Pokemon and carry it through, full-force. But does that come off as appealing? Again, it's another good thing to ponder and debate.

DEMONCAMERUPT

3rd December 2005, 2:03 AM

So Phanpy has evolved eh? Well I knew from the first time that Ash used the little guy in a battle (Outside of fighting Team Rocket) that he had a lot of potential to be a real powerhouse and now just look at him. I wonder if Donphan is goign to use/learn Fissure and Sandtomb.

and gravy in case you haven't noticed but Tailow has already evolved and didn't even need to (If anything it was Corphish and Grovyle that needed to evolve not Tailow and Snorunt.)

Lovely May

3rd December 2005, 5:13 AM

and gravy in case you haven't noticed but Tailow has already evolved and didn't even need to (If anything it was Corphish and Grovyle that needed to evolve not Tailow and Snorunt.)
I think, Tailow needed to evolve. Tailow has been really weak! Swellow is much stronger!

CyberCubed

3rd December 2005, 5:55 AM

Taillow wasn't strong at all. (Besides it's opener where it resisted a gazillion Thunderbolts from Pikachu...I guess that's how it did the electric armor thing at the Tate/Liza Gym). Swellow is a tank, Taillow is not.

It's the same thing with May's Torchic. Do you honestly believe that her Torchic could pull off the same kind of wins her Combusken did? Torchic was terribly weak and underused by May, (in favor of Beautfily and Super Skitty), it wasn't until it evolved that it became a powerhouse and thus May started to use it a lot more often.

AmeldaS

4th December 2005, 4:07 AM

I rememberd someone in this forums, who said some time ago, that in the new intro, where Phanpy appears, there was a lot of free space....so an evolution was very likely coming...

V Faction

4th December 2005, 4:09 AM

We all noticed. But it's not as if we'd instantly claim it as fact. Just look at the Egg debate, which is still up in arms.

Eddieursa

9th December 2005, 9:52 PM

So guys, there was a change in the opening of the Pokemon Ranger's episode?. I mean refering to Ash's Donphan. Anybody have pics about it?.

Gravy

9th December 2005, 10:13 PM

So guys, there was a change in the opening of the Pokemon Ranger's episode?. I mean refering to Ash's Donphan. Anybody have pics about it?.
Yessum

One (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Gravyyy/111111.jpg), Two (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Gravyyy/1111111.jpg) and Three (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Gravyyy/11111111.jpg)~

I have to say, that group shot looks so much better now.

Gaiash

9th December 2005, 10:14 PM

Totodile. Taillow. PHANPY.

I win :p
Totodile is great as it is. Taillow just needed more screentime, the evolution wasn't needed. Sure Donphan is cool but there was nothing wrong with Phanpy.

JazzJazz

9th December 2005, 10:16 PM

I have to say, that group shot looks so much better now.

Indeed... I know Ash's always been a strong trainer, but a lot of people saying that he's needed "powerful" pokemon should start to be satisfied with his team looking the way it does now.

CyberCubed

9th December 2005, 10:26 PM

That shot does indeed rock. In fact if someone made a desktop version of it I'd use it.

Gaiash

9th December 2005, 10:27 PM

I did like Phanpy but I have to admit Donphan is cool, when Johto started I always wanted him to catch one.

Gravy

9th December 2005, 10:31 PM

Totodile is great as it is.
No. Stop right there. It doesn't have any decent attacks, all its ever really accomplished victory-wise were a few rounds at defeating Team Rocket , and it doesn't have any sort of personallity outside of jumping up and down like a spazz. Its most certainly not great as it is, sorry to say.

Taillow just needed more screentime, the evolution wasn't needed.
Rubbish. Taillow was a tiny, weedy little bird who only ever managed to do well due to its electricity resistance. And this is coming from a guy who actually likes Taillow a hell of a lot. Swellow is a freaking living tank that can be clobbered by 2 pokémon in a row and STILL keep on going.
If that isn't a vast improvement I don't know what is.

Besides...why break the pattern of Ash having bad-*** looking bird pokémon ^.^

Sure Donphan is cool but there was nothing wrong with Phanpy.
I already explained why I think Donphan is a better pokémon for Ash than Phanpy was. (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=2430397&postcount=39)

Indeed... I know Ash's always been a strong trainer, but a lot of people saying that he's needed "powerful" pokemon should start to be satisfied with his team looking the way it does now.
Indeed. It really does make his team seem so much more complete now, even if it does have two unevolved pokémon in there.

Gaiash

9th December 2005, 10:43 PM

No. Stop right there. It doesn't have any decent attacks, all its ever really accomplished victory-wise were a few rounds at defeating Team Rocket , and it doesn't have any sort of personallity outside of jumping up and down like a spazz. Its most certainly not great as it is, sorry to say.
Totodile rocks! Its got out of battle style, how can you not love that?

Rubbish. Taillow was a tiny, weedy little bird who only ever managed to do well due to its electricity resistance. And this is coming from a guy who actually likes Taillow a hell of a lot. Swellow is a freaking living tank that can be clobbered by 2 pokémon in a row and STILL keep on going.
If that isn't a vast improvement I don't know what is.

Besides...why break the pattern of Ash having bad-*** looking bird pokémon ^.^
Swellow does rock but that doesn't mean Taillow needed to evolve.

I already explained why I think Donphan is a better pokémon for Ash than Phanpy was. (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=2430397&postcount=39)
I actually like Donphan more than Phanpy but is didn't NEED to evolve, its just cool that Ash has a Donphan now.

Indeed. It really does make his team seem so much more complete now, even if it does have two unevolved pokémon in there.
Hey, I was never in disagreement with Taillow, Treecko or Phanpys evolutions (It was Snorunts evolving and the idea of Corphish evolving that I didn't like) but that doesn't mean they needed to evolve.

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior

9th December 2005, 10:45 PM

Yessum

One (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Gravyyy/111111.jpg), Two (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Gravyyy/1111111.jpg) and Three (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Gravyyy/11111111.jpg)~

I have to say, that group shot looks so much better now.
that looks so frigging sweet!
I love Donphan even more now!

JazzJazz

9th December 2005, 10:48 PM

It really does make his team seem so much more complete now, even if it does have two unevolved pokémon in there.

We might have to face facts that pikachu should now been seen as a fully-evolved pokemon (at least in the writers eyes), I don't see much chance of the little guy ever changing form.

Eddieursa

9th December 2005, 11:04 PM

Thanks a ton, Gravy. Now I hope we'll see another evolution in Ash Team. For me, I think Corphish should be the next one. Maybe Crawdaunt have a bad reputation by Team Aqua and similars, but It would be a very cool Pokemon for Ash. Even it will be a Pokemon of a new type for him: Dark. I hope it will soon.

Grovyle to Sceptile.... It would be very cool too, but there isn't so hurry as with Corphish. But I really hope he will learn Solar Beam at least.

V Faction

9th December 2005, 11:22 PM

Grovyle to Sceptile.... It would be very cool too, but there isn't so hurry as with Corphish. But I really hope he will learn Solar Beam at least.
Hey, as long as they don't make it a replica of Tetsuya's when the time comes, I'm okay.

I've got to agree with Gaiash... on Totodile. I don't want that... thing, to evolve. Leave it in it's happy fantasy world.

Now Cyndaquil.... Damn, I don't care if it doesn't "need" to evolve; It DESERVES it. Even though Quilava is pretty meh to look at.

As for Taillow, HA! I hope no one deludes themselves into thinking that the writers would've have kept Taillow forever. Ash has NEVER had extremes when it comes to bird Pokemon. No, they are always in the middle. That's why we didn't get Pidgeot till the end of Kanto. That's why Noctowl was a special small, shiny version. And that's why Taillow is now a Swellow.