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Hiraitos Zero aka OCZ
19th November 2005, 5:08 AM
XD

Salamence (M) @ Choice Band ** OverClockedZero
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Kaguya
Trait: Illuminate
EVs: 40 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Hyuga
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 100 Atk / 56 Def / 76 SAtk / 36 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Focus Punch
- Hydro Pump

Celebi @ Leftovers ** Aburame
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 200 Def / 28 Spd / 40 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Recover

Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers ** Uchiha
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 56 Def / 104 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Pain Split
- Seismic Toss
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp

Claydol @ Leftovers ** Akimichi
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 176 HP / 100 Atk / 144 Def / 88 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Sleep Talk


Btw

DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE ****ING NICKS

SapphireL
19th November 2005, 5:17 AM
XD

Salamence (M) @ Choice Band ** OverClockedZero
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide
cool

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Kaguya
Trait: Illuminate
EVs: 40 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf I kinda like Thunderbolt...

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Hyuga
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 100 Atk / 56 Def / 76 SAtk / 36 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Focus Punch Rest?
- Hydro Pump Ice Beam?

Celebi @ Leftovers ** Aburame
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 200 Def / 28 Spd / 40 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Recover

Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers ** Uchiha
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 56 Def / 104 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Pain Split
- Seismic Toss
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp

Focus Punch could go in there...

Claydol @ Leftovers ** Akimichi
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 176 HP / 100 Atk / 144 Def / 88 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Sleep Talk


Btw

DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE FREAKIN' NICKS
not bad I guess...... :/

Hiraitos Zero aka OCZ
19th November 2005, 5:20 AM
Didnt like Focus Punch, because i'm crap at predicting in fact

how's the new Hyuga?
Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Hyuga
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 100 Atk / 56 Def / 76 SAtk / 36 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Hydro Pump
- Rest

Horn Drill
19th November 2005, 5:24 AM
Naughty Nature for Salamence.

BTW, your nicknames are weird. =/

Hiraitos Zero aka OCZ
19th November 2005, 5:26 AM
Naughty Nature for Salamence.

BTW, your nicknames are weird. =/
Done, and

they all came from Naruto, i was as bored as hell

SpaceFlare
19th November 2005, 6:35 AM
Starmie needs less Ice Beam and more T-bolt. Maybe Ice Beam over hydro pump for pert.

leafgreen386
19th November 2005, 9:02 PM
Maybe Ice Beam over hydro pump for pert.
Y HALO THAR SKARM

IB>Rest

Basics
19th November 2005, 11:20 PM
Salamence (M) @ Choice Band ** OverClockedZero
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide
I would lead Swampert or Starmie over this. Most common leads these days are Salamence/Metagross/Water-types, and Swampert (with Ice Beam) best covers all these threats. With Salamence, you're getting boned against most common starters.

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Kaguya
Trait: Illuminate
EVs: 40 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin / Thunderbolt
- Recover
- Surf
Do not listen to people who tell you to use Thunderbolt over Surf. There are very few non-uber Pokemon that can operate without STAB (actually, Gengar is the only one that comes to mind,) and Starmie is not onesuch Pokemon. I like this set as it is; though, if you decide to put Ice Beam on Swampert, change the IB on this to TB.
Edit: Just saw Claydol. Give that thing Rapid Spin, and this guy BoltBeam+Surf. Trust me.

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Hyuga (Starter)
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 100 Atk / 56 Def / 76 SAtk / 36 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Focus Punch / Ice Beam
- Hydro Pump
Ice Beam > Focus Punch

Celebi @ Leftovers ** Aburame
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 200 Def / 28 Spd / 40 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind / Heal Bell
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Recover
I like Heal Bell on my Celebis, personally. I know I'm a pretty 'old skool' battler, and I'm not 'with it,' as 'it' were, but this seems like just gimmick stuff to me. Swampert won't always be ther to absorb Thunder Wave, you know. I guess Calm Mind works, though.

Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers ** Uchiha
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 56 Def / 104 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Pain Split
- Seismic Toss / Focus Punch
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp
I know it's a little standard, but Pain Split/Shadow Ball/Focus Punch/Will-o-Wisp is a moveset made in heaven for Dusclops. If it makes you feel more at ease, Focus Punch > Seismic Toss will help maximize those Atk EV's you gave it.

Claydol @ Leftovers ** Akimichi
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 176 HP / 100 Atk / 144 Def / 88 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Sleep Talk / Rapid Spin
RS > ST
Fine team, but you're going down as soon as you run into a well-played SurfBeamer. Starmie's your best bet against it, and without Thunderbolt, you're not doing much to Suicune for example. My advice would be using the movesets I provided, and maybe also using Roar on Swampert or something. Just my 2 cents, and trust me, these are some valuable cents.

leafgreen386
19th November 2005, 11:36 PM
I know it's a little standard, but Pain Split/Shadow Ball/Focus Punch/Will-o-Wisp is a moveset made in heaven for Dusclops. If it makes you feel more at ease, Focus Punch > Seismic Toss will help maximize those Atk EV's you gave it.
He said he isn't that good with prediction, and those Atk EVs are to OHKO an Alakazam trying to withstand standard Dusclops SB on average.

Hiraitos Zero aka OCZ
19th November 2005, 11:42 PM
k hows this

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Hyuga
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 100 Atk / 56 Def / 76 SAtk / 36 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam

Salamence (M) @ Choice Band ** OverClockedZero
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Kaguya
Trait: Illuminate
EVs: 40 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Recover
- Surf

Celebi @ Leftovers ** Aburame
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 200 Def / 28 Spd / 40 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Recover

Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers ** Uchiha
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 56 Def / 104 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Pain Split
- Seismic Toss
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp

Claydol @ Leftovers ** Akimichi
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 176 HP / 100 Atk / 144 Def / 88 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Rapid Spin

Basics
20th November 2005, 12:05 AM
Nice. I like it. Still you have the problem of having no psuedo-hazers, but hey, I only use phazers on like 30% of my teams, and the other ones get along fine.

Hiraitos Zero aka OCZ
20th November 2005, 12:07 AM
My team got utterly ****ed by a BP team.

._.

So should Sala go DD and Roar?

Golden Groudon
20th November 2005, 12:24 AM
p-hazer pert is nice I guess. ._.

Hiraitos Zero aka OCZ
20th November 2005, 12:28 AM
k roar over what

Basics
20th November 2005, 12:31 AM
He said he isn't that good with prediction, and those Atk EVs are to OHKO an Alakazam trying to withstand standard Dusclops SB on average.
I'm aware of this, but I feel the need to point out that people who 'suck at prediciton' are going to fail in the competetive environment, regardless of their team. I was simply pointing out that Focus Punch would optimize the usefulness of those EV's.

And I run your Swampert set, but with Roar > Curse. Of course, I'm typically Baton Passing to it, but... whatever. If you do decide to put Roar > Curse, you'll need to seriously rethink your EV placements, but otherwise go for RoarMence. More of a surprise element, IMO.

Hiraitos Zero aka OCZ
20th November 2005, 12:44 AM
I'm aware of this, but I feel the need to point out that people who 'suck at prediciton' are going to fail in the competetive environment, regardless of their team. I was simply pointing out that Focus Punch would optimize the usefulness of those EV's.

And I run your Swampert set, but with Roar > Curse. Of course, I'm typically Baton Passing to it, but... whatever. If you do decide to put Roar > Curse, you'll need to seriously rethink your EV placements, but otherwise go for RoarMence. More of a surprise element, IMO.
I chose Roar > Curse so..

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Hyuga
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 12 Atk / 136 Def / 96 SAtk / 24 SDef
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Roar
- Earthquake
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam

I think the ev's are fcked up though .-.

leafgreen386
20th November 2005, 5:08 AM
Doesn't Hot Nikkels run Roar/Protect/EQ/IB or something similar?

EDIT: It was Rest>Protect. Though you have no beller.

chaos952
20th November 2005, 5:22 AM
Errr, Mr. Mime is pretty much standard on Baton Pass teams, so smart people would Baton Pass to Mr. Mime to avoid getting their chains wrecked by Roar.

Besides, Baton Pass teams are boring.

leafgreen386
20th November 2005, 5:23 AM
When done right they kill though. BP vs. BP team is hilarious.

Btw, who expects a Swampert to have Roar?

Hiraitos Zero aka OCZ
20th November 2005, 5:34 AM
So Roarpert would be surprising?

And I told you before, I got raeped by a BP team.

It had Mr. Mime._.

Oh and my team now:
Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Hyuga
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 12 Atk / 136 Def / 96 SAtk / 24 SDef
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Roar

Salamence (M) @ Choice Band ** OverClockedZero
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Kaguya
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 40 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Surf
- Thunderbolt

Celebi @ Leftovers ** Aburame
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 200 Def / 28 Spd / 40 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Recover

Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers ** Uchiha
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 56 Def / 104 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Pain Split
- Seismic Toss
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp

Claydol @ Leftovers ** Akimichi
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 176 HP / 100 Atk / 144 Def / 88 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Rest