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Brute Root
27th November 2005, 3:22 AM
OK, first off, I'm a Serebii.net newbie so, HELLO ALL! Second, these are my teams to be rated. I try to give all of my pokemon at least one supportive/defencive move.

Leaf Green
Butterfree (male) Lvl:48
Modest nature; Bug and Flying type
Ability: Compound Eyes
Move set:
Silver Wind
Sleep Powder
Safeguard
Psybeam

Ninetales (female) Lvl:48
Serious nature; Fire type
Ability: Flash Fire
Move set:
Safeguard
Confuse Ray
Grudge
Flamethrower

Kingler (female) Lvl:48
Bashful nature; Water type
Ability: Hyper Cutter
Move set:
Leer
Crabhammer
Guillotine
Mud Shot

Venusaur (male) Lvl:52
Quiet nature; Grass and Poison type
Ability: Overgrow
Move set:
Razor Leaf
Sleep Powder
Leech Seed
Growth

Pidgeot (male) Lvl:53
Jolly nature; Normal and Flying type
Ability: Keen Eye
Move set:
Aerial Ace
Feather Dance
Fly
Quick Attack

Pikachu (female) Lvl:53
Naive nature; Electric type
Ability: Static
Move set:
Thunderbolt
Light Screen
Flash
Thunder

Emerald
Latias (female) Lvl:44
Brave nature; Dragon and Psychic type
Ability: Levitate
Move set:
Water Sport
Refresh
Mist Ball
Psychic

Latios (male) Lvl:50
Impish nature; Psychic and Dragon type
Ability:Levitate
Move set:
Luster Purge
Psychic
Recover
Dragon Dance


Swellow (male) Lvl:54
Timid nature; Normal and Flying type
Ability: Guts
Move set:
Aerial Ace
Fly
Agility
Endeavor

Swampert (male) Lvl:61
Careful nature; Water and Ground type
Ability: Torrent
Move set:
Muddy Water
Bide
Earthquake
Surf


Groudon (N/A) Lvl:72
Relaxed nature; Ground type
Ability: Drought
Move set:
Fire Blast
Rest
Fissure
Solarbeam

Kyogre (N/A) Lvl:74
Bold nature; Water type
Ability: Drizzle
Move set:
Hydro Pump
Rest
Sheer Cold
Double-Edge

Sapphire
Latias (female) Lvl:78
Naughty nature; Dragon and Psychic type
Ability: Levitate
Move set:
Recover
Refresh
Mist Ball
Psychic


Latios (male) Lvl:78
Calm nature; Dragon and Psychic type
Ability: Levitate
Move set:
Luster Purge
Psychic
Recover
Dragon Dance


Groudon (N/A) Lvl:79
Brave nature; Ground type
Ability: Drought
Move set:
Fire Blast
Fissure
Eruption
Solarbeam

Swellow (male) Lvl:84
Bashful nature; Normal and Flying type
Ability: Guts
Move set:
Aerial Ace
Endeavor
Wing Attack
Fly


Swampert (male) Lvl:97
Modest nature; Water and Ground type
Ability: Torrent
Move set:
Muddy Water
Bide
Earthquake
Surf

Kyogre (N/A) Lvl:99
Bashful nature; Water type
Ability: Drizzle
Move set:
Water Spout
Sheer Cold
Blizzard
Hydro Pump


Those are my teams! Only constructive critiscism please. Thx! ;258; ;001;

Angeling
27th November 2005, 7:19 PM
Well, you didn't need to double post..

For your R/S/E teams, where do you get so much Latios/Latias? But that's beside the point.. Maybe having two dragons of the same exact type isn't that good in one team.. You could try a little variety, and a little less Legendaries in your team. Yes, they have super duper abilities and moves, but a normal Pokémon can do the same too.. or better. Legendaries aren't invincible, because even an even-leveled Houndoom can kill a Mewtwo (not talking about computer-controlled).

LeafGreen.. Why does Pikachu have Flash for? O_o There's a Move Deleter in FR/LG.. Forget which town, though it IS there. I'm not sure what else to say for that team.

Like I said, you could try a variety of DIFFERENT, regular Pokémon in your teams.. Just offering advice as I could, as I'm not the best team advisor/whatever the word is.

PkmnTrainerKai
27th November 2005, 7:20 PM
EDIT ~ damm beaten 2 it
welcome 2 serebii
id give ur teams 6/10 due to it bein mostly legends ,
on groundon get rid of fire blast and give it Earthquake (EQ)
on swampert get rid of muddy water and surf as they are the same as EQ
and evolve your pikachu as it will get a boost in stats

chaos952
27th November 2005, 7:55 PM
Items?


OK, first off, I'm a Serebii.net newbie so, HELLO ALL! Second, these are my teams to be rated. I try to give all of my pokemon at least one supportive/defencive move.

Leaf Green
Butterfree (male) Lvl:48
Timid nature; Bug and Flying type
Ability: Compound Eyes
Move set:
Substitute
Sleep Powder
Stun Spore
Psychic

Butterfree isn't good at all.

Ninetales (female) Lvl:48
Timid nature; Fire type
Ability: Flash Fire
Move set:
Substitute
Will-O-Wisp
Flamethrower
Grudge

There are better Fire-type Pokemon.

Kingler (female) Lvl:48
Adamant nature; Water type
Ability: Hyper Cutter
Move set:
Swords Dance
Knock Off
Return
Mud Shot

Kingler's movepool is crap, so I'd suggest ditching it.

Venusaur (male) Lvl:52
Quiet nature; Grass and Poison type
Ability: Overgrow
Move set:
Sludge Bomb
Sleep Powder
Leech Seed
Synthesis

Pidgeot (male) Lvl:53
Jolly nature; Normal and Flying type
Ability: Keen Eye
Move set:
Aerial Ace
Return
Steel Wing
Quick Attack

Raichu (female) Lvl:53
Naive nature; Electric type
Ability: Static
Move set:
Thunderbolt
Encore
Focus Punch
Thunder Wave

Emerald
Latias (female) Lvl:44
Timid nature; Dragon and Psychic type
Ability: Levitate
Move set:
Calm Mind
Dragon Claw
Recover
Psychic

Latios (male) Lvl:50
Timid nature; Psychic and Dragon type
Ability:Levitate
Move set:
Luster Purge
Psychic
Recover
Dragon Dance

Use the moveset I suggested for Latias. Why is Dragon Dance there when you have no physical attacks?

Swellow (male) Lvl:54
Jolly nature; Normal and Flying type
Ability: Guts
Move set:
Aerial Ace
Facade
Steel Wing
Quick Attack

Swampert (male) Lvl:61
Brave nature; Water and Ground type
Ability: Torrent
Move set:
Ice Beam
Curse Earthquake
Surf/Rest

Groudon (N/A) Lvl:72
Jolly nature; Ground type
Ability: Drought
Move set:
Fire Blast
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Rock Slide

Kyogre (N/A) Lvl:74
Timid nature; Water type
Ability: Drizzle
Move set:
Calm Mind
Thunder
Ice Beam
Surf

Sapphire
Latias (female) Lvl:78
Timid nature; Dragon and Psychic type
Ability: Levitate
Move set:
Recover
Refresh
Mist Ball
Psychic

Use the movesets I suggested for Lati@s.

Latios (male) Lvl:78
Timid nature; Dragon and Psychic type
Ability: Levitate
Move set:
Luster Purge
Psychic
Recover
Dragon Dance

Use the movesets I suggested for Lati@s.


Groudon (N/A) Lvl:79
Jolly nature; Ground type
Ability: Drought
Move set:
Fire Blast
Fissure
Eruption
Solarbeam

Use the moveset I suggested for Groudon.

Swellow (male) Lvl:84
Jolly nature; Normal and Flying type
Ability: Guts
Move set:
Aerial Ace
Endeavor
Wing Attack
Fly

Use the moveset I suggested for Swellow.


Swampert (male) Lvl:97
Brave nature; Water and Ground type
Ability: Torrent
Move set:
Muddy Water
Bide
Earthquake
Surf

Use the moveset I suggested for Swampert.

Kyogre (N/A) Lvl:99
Timid nature; Water type
Ability: Drizzle
Move set:
Water Spout
Sheer Cold
Blizzard
Hydro Pump

Use the moveset I suggested for Kyogre.

Those are my teams! Only constructive critiscism please. Thx! ;258; ;001;

Ditch all the ubers and get some skill. There is no need to list the types; we know what they are.

Brute Root
27th November 2005, 8:44 PM
OK, to get Latias and Latios on the same versions i used the EON ticket i got from the august(i think it was august) Nintendo event. Second of all Ninetales can beat any fire Pokemon b/c of her ability Flash fire. When she is hit by a fire type attack, she recieves NO damage, but her own fire power is increansed. Something else, on Kingler's moves..why have a water type pokemon that knows no water type moves...i think that's pointless. although swords dance is a good idea for him, i may replace leer. But keep in mind that on Leaf Green, i have yet to beat the elite four, so they aren't their best yet.


Also, i know about Raichu haveing beeter stats than Pikachu, but this time around i wont evolve it; reason is my friend started playing yellow again after about 6 yrs, so i said b/c he wont evolve his, i wont evolve mione (yes wierd i know but i wont evolve Pikachu as i did in the past). While on the subject of Pikachu, I noticed his Thunder, Flash, and Light Screen was taken away. Thunder is one of those "in case of emergency" moves, and i know how low its accuracy is. I can't tell you how many times Light Screen has saved my butt before so im keeping it, my opponenet SP ATKs. only do about half thier normal damage. Flash was a debate, although it has helped me cause it lowers apponents accuracy.

Butterfree, i always teach him Psychic before the elite four and as for stun spore, i think sleep powder is better. A pokemon can be PAR but still be able to attack, but a SLP pokemon, of course, sleeps for a few turns, giving me an edge to build my Pokemon's attack str.

With Venusaur and sludge bomb....i don't think ill do that. It can only be used 10 times Vs. Razor leafs 25. Although i have breed Venusaur to my other versions (ditto is sooo useful), so i may experiment with that. Plus, him knowing Synthesis and leech seed is an attack waste i think. Leech seed may not take much, but it saps HP every turn, Synthesis, however, for it to be really useful, must be used in conjunction with sunny day. Besides, come lvl 65, I'm gunna let him learn Solarbeam.

Ok, with Pidgeot, i nothiced he no longer knows feather dance, not so sure. Feather dance "sharply" lowers opponent's attack and especially when my opponent is asleep, that is very useful.

For sapphire Swampert,im not so sure about the moves you put, but ill breed him and try them out. Sapphire Kyogre....something strikes as odd...why would he need to know Thunder?
Also I noticed that on alot of these thier defencive move (if any) were taken away, they may sem pointless but the can easily turn the tide of a battle. Pokemon battles aren't all about power, ya need strategy too. Something else i noticed by reviewing my team, im kinda goin' fer the annoyance(sp?) and tricky moves. I try to bring out a certain type's true potential(sp?) I dont really tech them a whole lot of moves that aren't thier type. And im sorry if this post sounded rude by me shooting down a bunch of y'alls ideas. The are good ideas, I'll try them by breeding and teaching the moves to the ones i breed so i can experiment. I appreciate yall taken time to read this long post and rate my team. ;001;

chaos952
27th November 2005, 9:10 PM
OK, to get Latias and Latios on the same versions i used the EON ticket i got from the august(i think it was august) Nintendo event. Second of all Ninetales can beat any fire Pokemon b/c of her ability Flash fire. When she is hit by a fire type attack, she recieves NO damage, but her own fire power is increansed.

Charizard used Earthquake. Blaziken used Rock Slide. Arcanine used Extremespeed. Just a few examples of fire beating fire.


Something else, on Kingler's moves..why have a water type pokemon that knows no water type moves...i think that's pointless. although swords dance is a good idea for him, i may replace leer.

Kingler has base 50 Special Attack compared to base 130 Attack, so even Surf on him is useless.


Also, i know about Raichu haveing beeter stats than Pikachu, but this time around i wont evolve it; reason is my friend started playing yellow again after about 6 yrs, so i said b/c he wont evolve his, i wont evolve mione (yes wierd i know but i wont evolve Pikachu as i did in the past). While on the subject of Pikachu, I noticed his Thunder, Flash, and Light Screen was taken away. Thunder is one of those "in case of emergency" moves, and i know how low its accuracy is. I can't tell you how many times Light Screen has saved my butt before so im keeping it, it hightens his SP. ATK. so my opponenet SP ATKs. only do about half thier normal damage. Flash was a debate, although it has helped me cause it lowers apponents accuracy.

Thunder sucks because of horrible accuracy, Flash is pointless and inaccurate, and Pikachu doesn't have the time to use Light Screen. Also, Light Screen cuts special damage inflicted on you in half, not raise your team's Special Attack. It's either Light Ball Pikachu or no Pikachu.


Butterfree, i always teach him Psychic before the elite four and as for stun spore, i think sleep powder is better. A pokemon can be PAR but still be able to attack, but a SLP pokemon, of course, sleeps for a few turns, giving me an edge to build my Pokemon's attack str.

Double powder. Butterfree can't do much else anyways.


With Venusaur and sludge bomb....i don't think ill do that. It can only be used 10 times Vs. Razor leafs 25.

It's not how much of the move you have, it's the effectiveness of the move. So what will you do when a Grass-type Pokemon comes in on your Venusaur? You can't Leech Seed it, and Razor Leaf won't do much damage to it. You'll have no choice but to switch out and get Stun Spored/Sleep Powdered/Spored/Leech Seeded.


Although i have breed Venusaur to my other versions (ditto is sooo useful), so i may experiment with that. Plus, him knowing Synthesis and leech seed is an attack waste i think. Leech seed may not take much, but it saps HP every turn, Synthesis, however, for it to be really useful, must be used in conjunction with sunny day. Besides, come lvl 65, I'm gunna let him learn Solarbeam.

So what happens when you fight a Pokemon in which it's doing more damage to you than Leech Seed/Leftovers recovers for you? Sunnybeamers only work with Chlorophyllers.


Ok, with Pidgeot, i nothiced he no longer knows feather dance, not so sure. Feather dance "sharply" lowers opponent's attack and especially when my opponent is asleep, that is very useful.

It doesn't help when a Special Attacker switches in on you. Besides, Pidgeot can't take a hit. You're better off lowering a defense stat than an attack stat.


For sapphire Swampert,im not so sure about the moves you put, but ill breed him and try them out. Sapphire Kyogre....something strikes as odd...why would he need to know Thunder?

Rain + Thunder = 100% accuracy, duh.


Also I noticed that on alot of these thier defencive move (if any) were taken away, they may sem pointless but the can easily turn the tide of a battle. Pokemon battles aren't all about power, ya need strategy too. Something else i noticed by reviewing my team, im kinda goin' fer the annoyance(sp?) and tricky moves.

Annoyers fail.

~*Jirachi~Chan*~
27th November 2005, 9:47 PM
if your going to take an uber am max only take two, and for lengendary only one.

Brute Root
27th November 2005, 10:53 PM
OK, i didnt say Ninetales was unbeatable, i know her weaknesses. Second, Pikachu does have time to use light screen, it has one of the highest speeds in the game so it will alot of times strike first, (oh and i didnt relize that i said that light screen raises SP ATK....i guess i should review my posts better). Also Crabhammer has an extremely high Crit. hit. rate, and almost all the time he uses it, the hit is crit, so it does double damage, which ignores raised defences from moves like harden. Flash lowers accuracy and it help, so im keeping it. But your right, i should find a light ball for Pikachu. I have a light ball on emerald and bred 2 pikachus to get a pichu with volt tackle.

Grass type VS. Venusaur: i can leech seed it and i will. here's what i would do: First, put it to sleep, then use leech seed, the use growth untill im satisfied(which is untill SP ATK wont go any higher) and if he wakes up during the process, put 'em back to sleep. then i use razor leaf. B/c of what growth does and b/c i use it to fully highten Venusaur's SP ATK, razor leaf will do a lot more damage than normal. Growth has even turned razor leaf into a one-hit-KO move quite a bit. Although i will have to change this strategy up a bit when i teach him solarbeam. (what's a Venusaur w/out Solarbeam?)
Pidgeot can take a hit, and like Butterfree, he has saved my hide countless time w/out double powder. And im not gettin rid of safeguard either..its too good. ;003;

chaos952
27th November 2005, 11:14 PM
OK, i didnt say Ninetales was unbeatable...

Yes you did. Reread your second post in this thread.


Second, Pikachu does have time to use light screen, it has one of the highest speeds in the game so it will alot of times strike first, (oh and i didnt relize that i said that light screen raises SP ATK....i guess i should review my posts better).

Pikachu is nowhere close to being one of the fastest Pokemon; it only has base 90 Speed. There are at least 50 Pokemon that have a higher base speed than Pikachu. Most people lead with Salamence or Starmie. Salamence has base 100 Speed, and Starmie has base 115 Speed.

Example of why Light Screen doesn't work on Pikachu:

Pikachu used Light Screen!
Pikachu's Light Screen raised team's Spec. Def.!
Pokemon used Move!
Pikachu fainted!


Also Crabhammer has an extremely high Crit. hit. rate, and almost all the time he uses it, the hit is crit, so it does double damage, which ignores raised defences from moves like harden.

Crabhammer is a Water-type move, which means it runs off of Special Attack. Kingler's Special Attack is crap.


Flash lowers accuracy and it help, so im keeping it. But your right, i should find a light ball for Pikachu. I have a light ball on emerald and bred 2 pikachus to get a pichu with volt tackle.

Whatever. Have fun wasting a moveslot.


Grass type VS. Venusaur: i can leech seed it and i will.

Leech Seed does not affect Grass-type Pokemon, therefore your strategy fails.


(what's a Venusaur w/out Solarbeam?)

A good Venusaur lacks Solarbeam.


Pidgeot can take a hit...

With base 75 Defense and base 70 Special Defense? I think not.


and like Butterfree, he has saved my hide countless time w/out double powder. And im not gettin rid of safeguard either..its too good. ;003;

Hello there Insomniac.

Brute Root
27th November 2005, 11:55 PM
ok, my pikachu's speed isnt only 90, it's 147 and its lvl 53. This is how my battles w/ Pikachu go:
Go Pikachu!
Light Screen
opponent attacks
Pikachu SURVIVES
Pikachu thunderbolt
battle ends.
Pikachu wins
plus im not stupid, i dont sned pikachu out against a pokemon who knows or could know a move that Pikachu's weak against. im not a n00b trainer, ive beaten leaf green that way 3X's in a row and light screen hasnt failed me yet, in fact it helped me win. so HA! put that in your pipe and smoke it.
so what if leech seed fails,it gives me more time to use growth or charge Solarbeam, and how much HP recovered by Synthesis depends on the weather, and unless its sunny from drought or sunny day, then it doesnt recover much.
it doesnt matter if Kingler's Sp ATK is low, if its a crit hit then the damage will be good no matter what.
Pidgeot's Def is 103 and SP DEF is 96, i admit compaired to others they're a bit low but that's why his spped is 143 and attack is 116, to make up for those...err.....mis-haps.
And i said Ninetales could be any fire type, i didn't say she was completely invincible. besides, when i send her into battle the first thing i use is her confuse ray so there's a good pretty good chance she wont be hit the first time around so it gives me more time to get my strategy in motion. ;001;

chaos952
28th November 2005, 12:33 AM
ok, my pikachu's speed isnt only 90, it's 147 and its lvl 53.

You obviously don't know what base stats are. Newbie.


plus im not stupid, i dont sned pikachu out against a pokemon who knows or could know a move that Pikachu's weak against. im not a n00b trainer, ive beaten leaf green that way 3X's in a row and light screen hasnt failed me yet, in fact it helped me win. so HA! put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Way to beat an AI that's so retarded that it doesn't even think about switching unless Shedinja is out and the current Pokemon has nothing to hit Shedinja with. :rolleyes:

You are most definitely a newbie trainer if you think that you have skills in beating a stupid AI. Get NetBattle and you'll find out the hard way.


so what if leech seed fails,it gives me more time to use growth or charge Solarbeam, and how much HP recovered by Synthesis depends on the weather, and unless its sunny from drought or sunny day, then it doesnt recover much.

It recovers 50% with no weather, 25% in hail, rain, or sandstorm, and 100% in sunlight.


it doesnt matter if Kingler's Sp ATK is low, if its a crit hit then the damage will be good no matter what.

Not true. Let's see how much damage a +Defense natured Aggron takes when a +Attack natured Blissey uses Return and gets a critical hit. ROFL.

Brute Root
28th November 2005, 1:14 AM
You obviously don't know what base stats are. Newbie.



Way to beat an AI that's so retarded that it doesn't even think about switching unless Shedinja is out and the current Pokemon has nothing to hit Shedinja with. :rolleyes:

You are most definitely a newbie trainer if you think that you have skills in beating a stupid AI. Get NetBattle and you'll find out the hard way.



It recovers 50% with no weather, 25% in hail, rain, or sandstorm, and 100% in sunlight.



Not true. Let's see how much damage a +Defense natured Aggron takes when a +Attack natured Blissey uses Return and gets a critical hit. ROFL.

first off....thats kinda rude of you, instead of just insulting someone just explain yourself...jerk.
and if im such a n00b trainer how come ive beaten all my Pokemon games with out a gameshark? obviously im not as bad as yall think nor is my team. you and jirachi chan are the rudest ppl iv ever known, its like you think you better than everyone else.

"Way to beat an AI that's so retarded that it doesn't even think about switching unless Shedinja is out and the current Pokemon has nothing to hit Shedinja with."
half of that doesnt even make sence, a few gramitcal errors, try to re-type it. and what the living heck is an "AI"?

"You are most definitely a newbie trainer if you think that you have skills in beating a stupid AI. Get NetBattle and you'll find out the hard way."
that was just harsh..what's your problem?you two are the ones that are retarded, not me. the way yall are talking yall aren't even fit to be a gum wrapper stuck to the bottom of my shoe.
Let's see if you can do this without losing you temper and sounding snotty:
can you explain this "netbattle" like what it is, where to get it and how to use it.And you may wanna to the polite thing and kindly explain where you are gettin all this baseattackstuff. ;001;

Carpetted!
28th November 2005, 1:21 AM
and if im such a n00b trainer how come ive beaten all my Pokemon games with out a gameshark? obviously im not as bad as yall think nor is my team. you and jirachi chan are the rudest ppl iv ever known, its like you think you better than everyone else.

Who are you playing against? And Chaos knows what he's saying.

half of that doesnt even make sence, a few gramitcal errors, try to re-type it. and what the living heck is an "AI"?
You spelt Grammi- What the heck does gramitcal mean?

that was just harsh..what's your problem?you two are the ones that are retarded, not me. the way yall are talking yall aren't even fit to be a gum wrapper stuck to the bottom of my shoe.
He gave you advice, so use it.

can you explain this "netbattle" like what it is, where to get it and how to use it.
You battle... on the net.

Infinite Master Sceptile
28th November 2005, 1:25 AM
You obviously don't know what base stats are. Newbie.



Way to beat an AI that's so retarded that it doesn't even think about switching unless Shedinja is out and the current Pokemon has nothing to hit Shedinja with.

You are most definitely a newbie trainer if you think that you have skills in beating a stupid AI. Get NetBattle and you'll find out the hard way.



It recovers 50% with no weather, 25% in hail, rain, or sandstorm, and 100% in sunlight.



Not true. Let's see how much damage a +Defense natured Aggron takes when a +Attack natured Blissey uses Return and gets a critical hit. ROFL
And you don't uderstand that this is an in-game team.
Go back to the NetBattle subforum, from whence you came.
Consider that Pokemon may be lousy in NetBattle, but very good in-game.
The problem with your Emerald and Ruby teams, Brute Root, is that you use legendaries, which are way too easy to use. The hallmark of a good trainer is knowing that legendaries are unnecessary.

Pikachu (female) Lvl:53
Naive nature; Electric type
Ability: Static
Move set:
Thunderbolt
Light Screen
Flash
Thunder
Replace Flash with Rain Dance.
Ninetales should be ditched.
Get Primeape. Fighting is the best type strategically, so you definitely need it.

Brute Root
28th November 2005, 1:46 AM
You spelt Grammi- What the heck does gramitcal mean?
"gramitcal"...silly me i misspelled it, it grammitcal


He gave you advice, so use it.
hmm...5% advice, 95% insults....i may use it but he needs a nicer way to present it.


You battle... on the net.

Naw, thanks for pointing out the obvious Sherlock!
explain it better than that, what do you do (yes, i know you battle) but how? where do you get it? and how do i get it?

Carpetted!
28th November 2005, 1:49 AM
"gramitcal"...silly me i misspelled it, it grammitcal
I still don't think that's a word...

hmm...5% advice, 95% insults....i may use it but he needs a nicer way to present it.
Chaos never was a gentleman, that's true.

explain it better than that, what do you do (yes, i know you battle) but how? where do you get it? and how do i get it?

http://www.tvsian.com/netbattle/index.htm

Brute Root
28th November 2005, 1:53 AM
And you don't uderstand that this is an in-game team. yes i know it's an in-game team, that why i got it off my games. and if thats not what you ment, explain yourself better.

Go back to the NetBattle subforum, from whence you came.
ok...whats up with that harsh insult, there was no need for that yall are just being rude and snotty.

Consider that Pokemon may be lousy in NetBattle, but very good in-game.
The problem with your Emerald and Ruby teams, Brute Root, is that you use legendaries, which are way too easy to use. The hallmark of a good trainer is knowing that legendaries are unnecessary.
so i like the legendaries....so what? i can just as easily beat the games without them, i raise them not cause they're strong but b/c i like them.


Replace Flash with Rain Dance.
someone in some other post of rating someone else's team said that trick doesn't work.

Ninetales should be ditched.
Get Primeape. Fighting is the best type strategically, so you definitely need it.
i dunno....i dont really like Primeape...and i dont wanna get rid of Ninetals...maybe ill experiment w/ that on another game.

chaos952
28th November 2005, 1:58 AM
first off....thats kinda rude of you, instead of just insulting someone just explain yourself...jerk.

You say you're not a newbie trainer, so there shouldn't be a need to explain it to you.


and if im such a n00b trainer how come ive beaten all my Pokemon games with out a gameshark? obviously im not as bad as yall think nor is my team. you and jirachi chan are the rudest ppl iv ever known, its like you think you better than everyone else.

At least you didn't use a Gameshark, but your team is that bad.


"Way to beat an AI that's so retarded that it doesn't even think about switching unless Shedinja is out and the current Pokemon has nothing to hit Shedinja with."

half of that doesnt even make sence, a few gramitcal errors, try to re-type it. and what the living heck is an "AI"?

The irony. ROFL


"You are most definitely a newbie trainer if you think that you have skills in beating a stupid AI. Get NetBattle and you'll find out the hard way."
that was just harsh..what's your problem?you two are the ones that are retarded, not me. the way yall are talking yall aren't even fit to be a gum wrapper stuck to the bottom of my shoe.

Looks like someone can't take criticism...


Let's see if you can do this without losing you temper and sounding snotty:
can you explain this "netbattle" like what it is, where to get it and how to use it.

http://www.tvsian.com/netbattle/


And you may wanna to the polite thing and kindly explain where you are gettin all this baseattackstuff. ;001;

No chance, not with your snotty attitude.


And you don't uderstand that this is an in-game team.

I understand that quite clearly. You on the other hand...


Go back to the NetBattle subforum, from whence you came.

ROFL. Almost of the posts I make end up in this subforum.


Consider that Pokemon may be lousy in NetBattle, but very good in-game.

LOL. Prove it.

Bottom line: If you can't take criticism, don't post in the RMT forum.

Brute Root
28th November 2005, 1:58 AM
I still don't think that's a word...

Chaos never was a gentleman, that's true.


Grammitcal means like....well..it has to do with the sentence structure like what words you use, the endmarks, that kinds thing.

And in my opinion, Chaos need to learn some manners and become a gentleman, it would be easier for both of us to get along. ;002;

Brute Root
28th November 2005, 2:29 AM
You say you're not a newbie trainer, so there shouldn't be a need to explain it to you.
uh huh...well no need to be rude then...




At least you didn't use a Gameshark, but your team is that bad.
....ok...thats only one of my teams on that version.




The irony. ROFL
what irony?




Looks like someone can't take criticism...
i can take criticism, but when ppl just flat-out insult me like that, that makes me mad.








No chance, not with your snotty attitude.

oh.....oops....that wasnt supposed to say "now you may wanna do the polite thing and explain"
It was supposed to be typed like "now may you do the polite thing and explain"
i was talking to my friend on the phone then...thats where "wanna" came from and how i mis typed...i do that sometimes heh,heh.


Bottom line: If you can't take criticism, don't post in the RMT forum.
as i said earlier, criticism i can take, but un-called-for insults from a rude person or someone who is speaking in a rude way, that is unacceptable. ;002;

chaos952
28th November 2005, 2:51 AM
Correction: All of your teams are that bad.

Brute Root
28th November 2005, 3:02 AM
ok, then what do you suggest.........im ready to listen...no really i am...and im not trying to be sarcastic....or rude but i thot about the leech seed thing...yeah, you were right it doesnt effect grass types(could have sworn it did tho..) and ill set your advice into motion by replacing leech seed with Synthesis....but thenn...my Venusaur needs help....can ya help me with that? if you will, then give me a move set with him know solarbeam and one without him knowing solarbeam. thanks. ;003;

S:C
28th November 2005, 3:32 AM
I suggest this (http://www.smogon.com/dex.php?page=list&q=pokemon), though I dunno about chaos. Click on a Pokemon for movesets. Smogon is at your service.

metafreak
28th November 2005, 3:47 AM
Venasaur
- Razor Leaf
- Leech Seed
- Sludge Bomb
- Hidden Power [Ice]

^that is what i use. oh yeah........Basically all pokemon can be good in game! try netabattle i have tried it but i cant seem to load it anymore. netbattle is when you battle on the net. you build you team with the teambuilder. use your movesets and you will learn the way i did. the hard way.

Carpetted!
28th November 2005, 3:54 AM
It's hard to get HP ingame though.

metafreak
28th November 2005, 3:57 AM
symthesis could then be a good idea.

Air Dragon
28th November 2005, 2:48 PM
Just want to begin by saying, welcome. Now, a niggling point of correction:


"gramitcal"...silly me i misspelled it, it grammitcal

Um, Brute Root? It's grammatical


You obviously don't know what base stats are. Newbie.

Weel, that may be true, Chaos952, but i doubt there's any need to be scornful. BTW, Brute Root, I'm guessing base stats are the stat that a Pokemon has as soon as they evolve at the earliest possible time, or when they're hatched from eggs.


Originally posted by Infinite Sceptile Master
Replace Flash with Rain Dance.
Ninetales should be ditched.
Get Primeape. Fighting is the best type strategically, so you definitely need it
Agreed. Ninetales is fast and all, but Primeape has better chances in battle especially where Ninetales is weakest (i.e. against Ground and Rock types.) Try the following moveset:

Primeape@ oh, i dunno... Charcoal/Lum berry
Overheat (it won't hurt the power of your physical and is a decent starting move; good accuracy, great power.)
Cross Chop
Thunderbolt/ Rock Slide (for Flying foes)
Body Slam (if you've beaten the league already, get the tutor on Four Island to teach it to the Primeape.)
or Screech
or Thrash (in which case, make Primeape hold a Persim berry or have a Yellow flute.
Or at least teach anoter member of your team Rain Dance, so that if it faints you can sub in Pikachu and use thunder. And find that Light Ball!

The only last thing I'll say concerning you R/S/E teams is: Don't rely on legendaries too much! Especially if two of them are the same type! Stunts variability, in the second instance and they're too easy to raise. Besides, you got Swampert. And he can sub for both Groudon and Kyogre. Just lose Surf or (more appropriately, for accuracy issues) Muddy Water and teach him an Ice move like Ice Beam or Blizzard. Furthermore, there are a lot more powerful pokemon in Hoenn you can raise:
Flygon
Salamence
Mightyena
Hariyama
Gardevoir (though it may have trouble in the league. Will work fine on the frontier with good tutor moves in addition to its strongest Psychic techniques)
Shiftry
Milotic (though with Swampert around, this may just be a waste of a slot),Ninjask,
Zangoose,
Altaria,
Walrein,
Rhydon (slow, I know, but powerful),
you could even trade for Blaziken or Sceptile (at least for breeding), the list just goes on and on. Just be daring and creative. You don't ned to use legendaries because most people says they can't be beat. They can. Later!

Air Dragon
28th November 2005, 3:01 PM
Oh yeah and in addition, with regard to your Venusaur try the following moveset:

Venusaur @ your choice- Leftovers/ Lum Berry
Sleep Powder/ Earthquake (for Fire types. ok S.M., duh!) (preferred)
Razor Leaf/ Frenzy Plant (only in cases where using it can guarantee a victory in one shot)
Synthesis/ Giga Drain
Sludge Bomb
Okay, Later!

aipomkong
28th November 2005, 4:36 PM
I'm guessing base stats are the stat that a Pokemon has as soon as they evolve at the earliest possible time, or when they're hatched from eggs.

well you guessed wrong, base stats determine the range of max stats, with natures and evs added

par example

tyranitar has a base hp stat of 100, this doesn't mean that it'll have 100 hp when it eveolves at lv.55, it means

tyranitars max hp stat can range from;
310, with NO evs and a HP IV of 0
or
404, with 252 HP evs and a HP IV of 31

and with stats not called hp natures are included

so a speed base stat of 130 (jolteon) would range from
238, with a - Spd nature, no Spd evs and a Spd IV of 0
or
394, with a + spd nature, 252 spd evs and a spd ev of 31

≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈
28th November 2005, 4:42 PM
I respect your desire to help Shiny Mightyena, but there's no need to Double Post. The Edit Button is there for you to Edit in whatever you want to say.

Brute Root and Shiny Mightyena: Base Stats are pretty much how much power a Pokémon has in a specific Stat. Ninjask's Base Speed Stat is 160, meaning that its Speed increases more than its other Stats. Shuckle, though, has a Base Speed of 10. That doesn't mean its Speed Stat will be 10 when it's lv. 100, that's just the number to determine how fast Shuckle gains Speed9not at all, basically).

Look at the bottom of this page (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/003.shtml). Those are Venusaur's Base Stats. Going by that, you can tell that Venusaur generally gains more Sp. Attack and Sp. Defense than Speed or Defense, because those are its Base Stats.

Shiny Mightyena: Frenzy Plant may be a good finisher, but what if that's not what you need? Generally, you're going to have to beat your foe down, not hope it's already dying and deal the last blow. And if you need that, use Magical/Razor Leaf. Both of them can do decent damage if the opponent isn't dying, and they can both be finishers as well.

Venusaur can survive most Fire Attacks, so it doesn't need Earthquake. There are so many other Pokémon that the TM would be better used upon. Venusaur gets Sludge Bomb, which is good for various reasons. #1 and most prominently, it gets STAB(in case you don't know, STAB mean Same Type Attack Boost/Bonus(can be either), which means if you use an Attack that matches one of the elements of the Pokémon using it, it will be multiplied by 1.5. So if say, a Groudon uses Earthquake, instead of doing the normal 100 damage, it will do 150 because Groudon is a Ground Type). So Sludge Bomb will do more damage than Earthquake will because of that boost. Second, Venusaur's Base Attack Stat, though most certainly lower than its Special Attack Stat, is still usable, and thus, you'll be able to dish out decent damage. So, when Venusaur uses Sleep Powder on the Fire Type it faces, it's free to use Sludge Bomb to its heart's content. Oh, and also, what happens if Venusaur's facing a Fire/Flying Type, like Moltres, Ho-Oh, or Charizard(most common case, I'd surmise)? Earthquake won't do you any good there. Sludge Bomb, though, does STABed damage, which will damage them all adequately.

OK, your Primeape suggestion is rather messed up. Primeape's Base Offensive Stats are hugely different. Its Base Attack is a nice 105, which is rather higher than you'll find on most Pokémon. Its Base Special Attack, though, is a measly 60, which is far lower than its Base Attack and not at all usable. It MIGHT be if Primeape had a Special Typing(for STAB), but it doesn't. It's pure Fighting with a beefy Attack Stat, meaning it should really only use Physical Attacks. Let's look at Earthquake, a move on its Standard set. Suppose you're facing a Magneton. Overheat and Earthquake are both Super Effective on Magneton, so what should you use? Well, Earthquake does roughly 2/3 of what Overheat will, so you would assume Overheat, right? No. Primeape's Base Offensive Stats come into the equation once more. A higher Attack Stat means a stronger hit from a Physical Attack. A lower Sp. Attack Stat means a weaker hit from a Special Attack. Also, take your foe's strengths and weaknesses into account. Magneton is 4x weak to Ground Type attacks, like Earthquake, and only 2x weak to Fire Attacks, like Overheat. Magneton's Base Defenses are both equally rubbishy, so that doesn't really matter. But suppose you're facing a Steelix. Now both attacks are 2x effective. Earthquake will do more damage because of Primeape's Attack, but not a lot because of Steelix's enormous Defense. Steelix has a low Sp. Defense, though, so Overheat will actually do a lot. The damage should be near equal, give or take a few Hit Points. So it's just personal preference, right? Wrong. Overheat's power has now been sharply lowered, while Earthquake's remains at a respectable number. Now Earthquake will do more than Overheat. And in the long run, Earthquake will be better. Earthquake hits almost everything for neutral damage, save for Flying and Types resistant, like Bug and Grass. Overheat hits for neutral damage on most things as well, but to use it continually, you need to either switch out or give it a White Herb. The problem with the White Herb, though, is that it only works once, and once it's gone, Overheat's power will just drop and drop. Whereas if you give Primeape a purely Physical moveset, then there should be little to no drawbacks. Therefore, you can give it Leftovers, which last indefinitely and heal every turn, regardless of what happens to Primeape in the battle. And constant switching makes it easy for your foe to predict your next move and plan a Psychic or Flying attack when you switch Primeape back in, and therefore KOing it.

If either of you have the patience to read this lengthy post, I commend you for your effort.


~*CB*~
The 8th Champion

Brute Root
30th November 2005, 10:13 PM
HEAR YE, HEAR YE! I sat through a boring day of school and thought of some movesets for Pikachu(there are 23) and Venusaur (only 8 so far).

Pikachu moveset options: ;025;
Thunderbolt
Iron Tail
Light screen
Thunder

option2:
Thunderbolt
Agility
Double Team
Thunder

option3:
Thunderbolt
Slam
Light Screen
Shockwave

option4:
Thunderbolt
Rain Dance
Light Screen
Thunder

option5:
Thunderbolt
Rain Dance
Slam
Thunder

option6:
Thunderbolt
Agility
Quick Attack
Light Screen

option7:
Thunderbolt
Agility
Slam
Shockwave

option8:
Thunderbolt
Volt Tackle
Agility
Double Team

option9:
Volt Tackle
Rain Dance
Thunder
Double Team

option10:
Volt Tackle
Light Screen
Thunderbolt
Agility

option11:
Volt Tackle
Agility
Shockwave
Slam

option12:
Volt Tackle
Agility
Iron Tail
Thunderbolt

option13:
Volt Tackle
Agility
Rain Dance
Thunder

option14:
Volt Tackle
Agility
Slam
Iron Tail

option15:
Volt Tackle
Agility
Shockwave
Iron Tail

option16:
Volt Tackle
Agility
Thunderbolt
Slam

OPtion17:
Volt Tackle
Thunder Wave
Charge
Shockwave

option18:
Thunderbolt
Double Team
Light Screen
Volt Tackle

option19:
Volt Tackle
Double Team
Shockwave
Agility

option20:
Volt Tackle
Double Team
Shockwave
Iron Tail

option21:
Volt Tackle
Double Team
Shockwave
Thunderbolt

option22:
Shockwave
Agility
Rain Dance
Thunder

option23:
Volt Tackle
Agility
Double Team
Slam

Moveset options for Venusaur ;003;
Razor Leaf
Sleep Powder
Synthesis
Solarbeam

option2:
Razor Leaf
Growth
Sludge Bomb
Synthesis

option3:
Solarbeam
Sleep Powder
Growth
Synthesis

option4:
Razor Leaf
Solarbeam
Growth
Sleep Powder

option5:
Razor Leaf
Growth
Synthesis
Solarbeam

option6:
Razor Leaf
Growth
Synthesis
Frenzy Plant

option7:
Frenzy Plant
Growth
Synthesis
Solarbeam

option8:
Frenzy Plant
Sleep Powder
Synthesis
Solarbeam

That's the stuff I've come up with so far. Please tell me which of these would work best for the Pokemon. If I have repeated a moveset, just tell me and Ill delete it. I know also that Frenzy Plant does indeed, like Solarbeam, take one turn away from the user (as does Blast Burn and Hydro Cannon). Also, if from these movesets you can make a better or more effective one, DON'T hesitate to post it. And for those of you who don't know what Volt Tackle does, it's just like the Double-Edge attack, does massive damage, but it also hurts the user with recoil damage (but when I use it, it has almost always struck first). And if Jirachi-Chan or Chaos is reading this...I'm Ready to learn anything y'all can tell me *gets notebook and pen to take notes* (y'all apparently seem to be the most reveared and most knowlegdeable b/c of your reputaion). If anyone else would like to share their knowledge with me, feel free to do so, I'm ready to learn what anyone will teach me! (plus I won't be a n00b trainer anymore). ;001;

aipomkong
30th November 2005, 10:23 PM
yes double team is really gay

≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈
30th November 2005, 11:08 PM
Thunderbolt
Surf
HP Special(Preferably Grass/Ice/Water if you can't get Surf)
Substitute

Needs Light Ball to be effective. DON'T. USE. IRON TAIL. PIKACHU. EVER.

Venusaur:

HP Grass/Magical Leaf/Razor Leaf
Sleep Powder
Substitute
Leech Seed


~*CB*~
The 8th Champion

Brute Root
30th November 2005, 11:24 PM
Thunderbolt
Surf
HP Special(Preferably Grass/Ice/Water if you can't get Surf)
Substitute
what's the HP special? and how can Pikachu learn surf?


Needs Light Ball to be effective. DON'T. USE. IRON TAIL. PIKACHU. EVER.
why not iron tail? is it that bad?


Venusaur:

HP Grass/Magical Leaf/Razor Leaf
Sleep Powder
Substitute
Leech Seed
what's the "HP grass" thingy?
;002;

Rudoku
30th November 2005, 11:32 PM
why not iron tail? is it that bad?

Look at Pikachu's attack stat. Look at Iron Tail's accuracy. Look at the fact that it's a Pikachu. Let that blow your mind for a while.

SapphireL
30th November 2005, 11:43 PM
HP means Hidden Power

it's hard to get HP ingame, so for Pikachu, INGAME I would go with:

Pikachu @LIGHT BALL
-Thunderbolt (strong and good accuracy unlike Shock Wave and Thunder)
-Substitute/Attract (ingame mumember?)
-HP Special/Seismic Toss (S-Toss if its HP isn't a Special Attack)
-Wish/Thunder Wave

>_> this is a step down from the standard, but it CAN work for INGAME purposes.

Pikachu is too fragile to have Thunder miss, or to use Rain Dance. Shock Wave is too weak. Volt Tackle causes recoil...

soooo Thunderbolt is the ONLY Electric attack you should EVER consider teaching Pikachu.

I hope this helps. ^-^

Unknown Shadower
30th November 2005, 11:48 PM
Why the overuse of legendaries..Expecially because they are ubers it says to me you can't win with non legendary pokemon.

Eh.

Brute Root
30th November 2005, 11:58 PM
I can win with non legendaries..althoug my orignial party i stopped raising when i got the legendaries (all except swampert and swellow).

and explain how Hidden Power works......all of the HP stuff is confusing me. *holds head and makes noises like a Psyduck* ;003;

SapphireL
1st December 2005, 12:17 AM
There's NOTHING wrong with using legendaries. If you like them, use 'em. u_u simple as that.

anyways.... HP is... well..

every Pokemon has a certain Hidden Power. Hidden Power can be any type and do any amount of damage up to 70 base power. Hidden Power is based off your Pokemon's IVs (Individual Values). There's a place on the main site that explains it all. @__@

Carpetted!
1st December 2005, 12:21 AM
And Carpetted! knows where it is
http://www.serebii.net/games/hidden-power.shtml
Nyah

Horn Drill
1st December 2005, 12:42 AM
I can win with non legendaries..althoug my orignial party i stopped raising when i got the legendaries (all except swampert and swellow).

Seriously, no one cares if you use legendaries or even ubers ingame. Unless you're playing for cash and prizes, all that matters is that you give 'em the right moves.

Don't get yourself trapped in an endless cycle of breeding for the absolute perfect Hidden Power either. O__o

Brute Root
1st December 2005, 11:24 PM
Don't get yourself trapped in an endless cycle of breeding for the absolute perfect Hidden Power either. O__o

how would you even do that???? ;001;

Carpetted!
1st December 2005, 11:30 PM
You'd be surprised...

Humph...
1st December 2005, 11:31 PM
to rate this team,
FRor LG
5/10
EVOLVE THE PIKACHU! It learns all its attacks at this point, and if you don't have a thunderstone, just buy one at celadon city

I suggest only giving each pokemon one move of one type.

Brute Root
1st December 2005, 11:37 PM
Thank you for telling me where the thunderstones are ;001;
is my pikachu the reason you gave me a 5/10......im not evolving it lol. im hunting for a light ball ^_^

Air Dragon
3rd December 2005, 2:21 PM
What d'you mean" it's hard to get HP ingame"? i thought you can get that in Fortree City by answering L, L, R, and then trading it attached to a Pokemon to the version you want if it's not R/S/E you're playing.
Thanks for helping us on Base stats, C.B. I've really leared quite a bit from you through helping others. i'll akso make sure to edit posts if i have anything extra to say!
To use legendaries or not to use them... it's all up to you, Brute Root. Just win with your favourites, and i'll have nothing negative to say. That's all I'm saying.
Later!

metafreak
3rd December 2005, 3:39 PM
he means it is hard to get a certain type of Hp ingame. while in netbattle you can change very easily.

aipomkong
3rd December 2005, 3:58 PM
this thread should be locked now imo to save it from dying in anymore pain

Brute Root
3rd December 2005, 6:36 PM
Does anyone know an easy way to get a light ball? I've caught literally 41 Pikachus (yes...i did count them all...even the one in my party) and still no light ball. On Emerald version, it took me no time at all to find a pikachu from the safari zone with a light ball. But on leaf green it's really hard..i need some help..any tips on how to find one besides catching a butt-load more Pikachus...cause im low on money. i need some help...please?

Carpetted!
3rd December 2005, 7:04 PM
Does anyone know an easy way to get a light ball? I've caught literally 41 Pikachus (yes...i did count them all...even the one in my party) and still no light ball. On Emerald version, it took me no time at all to find a pikachu from the safari zone with a light ball. But on leaf green it's really hard..i need some help..any tips on how to find one besides catching a butt-load more Pikachus...cause im low on money. i need some help...please?
Pay your friends to catch pikachus for you ._.

Horn Drill
3rd December 2005, 11:59 PM
Does anyone know an easy way to get a light ball? I've caught literally 41 Pikachus (yes...i did count them all...even the one in my party) and still no light ball. On Emerald version, it took me no time at all to find a pikachu from the safari zone with a light ball. But on leaf green it's really hard..i need some help..any tips on how to find one besides catching a butt-load more Pikachus...cause im low on money. i need some help...please?

I'd hate to burst your bubble, but you can't get Light Balls in FR/LG. ._.; Trade the one you have over from Emerald.

I feel your pain. :(

Brute Root
4th December 2005, 8:42 PM
Ok, you're right, It said fer R/S ya can get it...and i talked to my friend and he didnt mind, so I evolved Pikachu into Raichu, plus i replaced Kingler with Vaporeon who is going to learn : Surf, Hydro Pump (i have both of those b/c of HYPMP badd accuracy and its low pp), Acid Armor, and Ice Beam.