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Manji
30th November 2005, 12:20 AM
Heracross (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Ghost]
- Megahorn
Anything > BB? It's good to have a Fighting move that you don't have to focus first.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 42 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Rapid Spin
- Thunderbolt
Thunderbolt for other Stars. Maybe I need Surf.

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Sleep Talk
My new love. Hi Breloom and Milotic.

Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power
- Rock Slide
- Sludge Bomb
[B]Hi Blissey.

Jolteon (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
Petaya for OHKOing those Pert. But works fine with Thunderbolt.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Immunity
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 82 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Frustration
- Rest
- Shadow Ball
EVs were a guess.

Drayano
30th November 2005, 12:42 AM
Heracross (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brick Break/Rock Slide
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Ghost]
- Megahorn
Anything > BB? It's good to have a Fighting move that you don't have to focus first.

Perhaps use Rock Slide over Brick Break so you can harm Flying-types decently.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 42 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam/Surf
- Recover
- Rapid Spin
- Thunderbolt/Surf
Thunderbolt for other Stars. Maybe I need Surf.

It can work on either really but I'm not sure what to put it over exactly.

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Sleep Talk
My new love. Hi Breloom and Milotic.

Change the EVs so it has 249 Speed with Adamant, Max Attack and dump the rest in HP.

Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power
- Rock Slide
- Sludge Bomb
Hi Blissey.

[B]k

Jolteon (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
Petaya for OHKOing those Pert. But works fine with Thunderbolt.

Problem is Tyranitar's Sandstorm kills Jolteon as soon as the Petaya activates, so I'd be careful about using this.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Immunity
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 82 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Frustration
- Rest
- Earthquake
EVs were a guess.

IIRC Earthquake counters more than Shadow Ball does.

I wouldn't recommend starting with Heracross because of the numerous Salamence starters.

Kaiser
30th November 2005, 12:45 AM
Heracross (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Brick Break
- Focus Punch
- Rock slide
- Megahorn

Best hera set.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 42 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Rapid Spin
- Thunderbolt

Surf > beam is standard,but you have a sala weak

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Sleep Talk

I doubt jolly gyara.he rarely can do well with that spd.adamant is okay for me.

Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power
- Rock Slide
- [B]Aerial ace
AA > Hera / brellom.

Jolteon (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
Petaya for OHKOing those Pert. But works fine with Thunderbolt.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Immunity
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 82 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Frustration
- Rest
- Shadow Ball
Careful what.
as

-MK ;376;

Zora
30th November 2005, 1:44 AM
I wouldn't recommend starting with Heracross because of the numerous Salamence starters.

In your QOUTE you said something like "Dump HP and Max out Attack." 252 is the most you can get. The extra 3 do nothing. Zip, Zilch, Nothing, Nada.

Manji
30th November 2005, 2:00 AM
Problem is Tyranitar's Sandstorm kills Jolteon as soon as the Petaya activates, so I'd be careful about using this.
Sheer fluke that the Petaya activates after the third Sub. So I still have just under 25% HP left. Though I can't use another Sub.


IIRC Earthquake counters more than Shadow Ball does.
But then Gengar and his other Ghost mates say hi. But granted, I have no Steel counter.

Kaiser
30th November 2005, 3:34 AM
Tyranitar and jirachi are more problems than gengar btfw.

and gyara counters meta

-MK ;376;

aipomkong
30th November 2005, 11:44 AM
Heracross (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Ghost]
- Megahorn

rock slide > hp ghost, rock slide rips gengar apart anyway while it actually can't hurt you effectivly

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 42 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Rapid Spin
- Thunderbolt

urm STAB anyone, put surf over ice beam

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Sleep Talk

**** evs, enough for 249 speed, 352 hp, a lot of SDef rest in atk and an ADAMANT nature, nickname it 'sexrados'

Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power
- Rock Slide
- Sludge Bomb

aerial ace over sludge bomb so you can take hera out

Jolteon (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

[B]lol petaya, more like leftovers

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Immunity
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 82 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Frustration
- Rest
- Shadow Ball

curse/shadow ball/earthquake/return

petaya berry jolteon is quite possibly the nubbiest mistake in competitive battling btw

Drayano
30th November 2005, 5:14 PM
In your QOUTE you said something like "Dump HP and Max out Attack." 252 is the most you can get. The extra 3 do nothing. Zip, Zilch, Nothing, Nada.

Then keep 252. ._.

You just want to change the speed EVs so Gyarados has 249 rather than 286 or whatever it is.

I know how the EVs work.

aipomkong
30th November 2005, 5:39 PM
when we say max a stat we mean 252 evs not 255 as everyone is CRMT should know the extra evs do nothing