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Kaiser
6th December 2005, 2:46 AM
Milotic (M) @ Leftovers ** Daedalus
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 244 Def / 4 Spd / 32 SAtk / 16 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hypnosis
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Surf

Starting with this since i have seen tons of sala starters

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** The End
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 60 HP / 252 Spd / 196 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Should i use LS > sub?

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Shuriken
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 44 HP / 252 Spd / 212 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf
- Thunderbolt

Spinner

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Puerco
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 172 HP / 96 Atk / 56 Def / 60 SAtk / 124 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Return

btw,this has worked very well,but,how many EVs he needs for 2OHKO skarm?

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers ** Iron maiden
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 196 HP / 64 Atk / 212 Def / 20 Spd / 16 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rest
- Spikes
- Whirlwind

OMG WTF SKARM

Celebi @ Leftovers ** Jigramunt
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP / 124 Def / 136 Spd / 76 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Recover

Cleric

rmt

-MK ;376;

Mr. Robinson
6th December 2005, 3:16 AM
Milotic (M) @ Leftovers ** Daedalus
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 244 Def / 4 Spd / 32 SAtk / 16 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hypnosis
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Surf
Fine, standard.

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** The End
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 60 HP / 252 Spd / 196 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

You should use light screen> sub yes, and why so much speed? you arent outspeeding that much except jolly heracross lol, i usually use a ton more of hp.

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Shuriken
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 44 HP / 252 Spd / 212 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf
- Thunderbolt

Why so much speed? it needs more hp go for like 352 speed or around there

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Puerco
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 172 HP / 96 Atk / 56 Def / 60 SAtk / 124 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Return

80 evs iirc, and ive always hated restless lax as you can get stamped on if this goes down, by raikou notably.

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers ** Iron maiden
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 196 HP / 64 Atk / 212 Def / 20 Spd / 16 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rest
- Spikes
- Whirlwind

k

OMG WTF SKARM

Celebi @ Leftovers ** Jigramunt
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP / 124 Def / 136 Spd / 76 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Recover

Whatever I guess, this thing does nothing and never dies


Obviously Magneton+ anything weakness, as well as a HUGE raikou weakness if snorlax goes down ;043; ;043;

Kaiser
6th December 2005, 3:24 AM
zappy has 299 spd so he can draw with mence,other zappys,etc.

-MK ;376;

Mr. Robinson
6th December 2005, 3:26 AM
So why not make it timid at 300 speed, max special attack and the rest in HP?

Tazzler
6th December 2005, 3:33 AM
IMO, I would give milo enough evs to reach 202 speed.

shoe pilot
6th December 2005, 3:43 AM
IMO, I would give milo enough evs to reach 202 speed.
to outspeed... what?

Thunderbolt
6th December 2005, 3:43 AM
Celebi @ Leftovers ** Jigramunt
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP / 124 Def / 136 Spd / 76 SDef
Bold Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Baton Pass
- Psychic
- Recover

This is better IMO. Try it out.

Ya.....This is a good Celebi.

aipomkong
6th December 2005, 11:10 AM
^yeah bold Baton pass celebi gets it's *** handed back to it by salamence, thats why the standard bp celebi is timid


Milotic (M) @ Leftovers ** Daedalus
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 244 Def / 4 Spd / 32 SAtk / 16 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hypnosis
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Surf

k but imo not that good of a lead, and shows you'll try hypnosis sooner rather then later

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** The End
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 60 HP / 252 Spd / 196 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Light Screen zappy is for women, so no

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Shuriken
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 44 HP / 252 Spd / 212 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf
- Thunderbolt

k, usually beam/psychic > spin is helpful, seeming as RS is too fast for spikes to do much (usually not every time though)

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Puerco
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 172 HP / 96 Atk / 56 Def / 60 SAtk / 124 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Return

lax needs 184-190 satk to 2hko skarm/ohko forry and break gar's sub

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers ** Iron maiden
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 196 HP / 64 Atk / 212 Def / 20 Spd / 16 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rest
- Spikes
- Whirlwind

B&

Celebi @ Leftovers ** Jigramunt
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP / 124 Def / 136 Spd / 76 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Recover

Hugely outdated, and you'd benifiet more from bp celebi -> zapdos/starmie

pokemon-mon

Koopa
6th December 2005, 8:49 PM
Milotic (M) @ Leftovers ** Daedalus
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 244 Def / 4 Spd / 32 SAtk / 16 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hypnosis
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Surf

Starting with this since i have seen tons of sala starters

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** The End
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 60 HP / 252 Spd / 196 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Sleep talk

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Shuriken
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 44 HP / 252 Spd / 212 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf
- Thunderbolt

Spinner

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Puerco
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 172 HP / 96 Atk / 56 Def / 60 SAtk / 124 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Return

IIRC,He needs about 180 special atak

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers ** Iron maiden
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 196 HP / 64 Atk / 212 Def / 20 Spd / 16 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rest
- Spikes
- Whirlwind

OMG WTF SKARM

Celebi @ Leftovers ** Jigramunt
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP / 124 Def / 136 Spd / 76 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Recover

Calm mind,batton pass,psychic,recover

-MK ;376;

Mr ronbinson,zappy needs modest to hurt a lot,timid is retarded imo