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Emoeevee
6th December 2005, 8:04 PM
(i hope ive put this in the right place, theres so many rules i hope i havent broke any already i'm new)

Well yeah back in 1998 or whatever first like series great but i am soooooooo anoyed with team rocket motto etc its basicly the same structre for every episode! I can stick cronicals cuz its not got ash in it its every one else cause ash has got a bit boring. it must be me getting old but i just dont get the animie anymore.

Ethereal
6th December 2005, 8:17 PM
If it sucks so much, don't watch the anime anymore, and quit whining. :)

FabuVinny
6th December 2005, 9:15 PM
It may be a similar struture, but the anime has got better since Kanto. AG is really good, expecially at the point the dub is at at the moment.

Jesse GS the II
6th December 2005, 9:28 PM
The anime tends to waste a lot of its potential. It's nothing new, it's been happening since the Jouto region.

The Big Al
6th December 2005, 9:35 PM
It may be a similar struture, but the anime has got better since Kanto. AG is really good, expecially at the point the dub is at at the moment.
You mean its playing catching to Kanto.

Unfortunately the anime has peaks and slumps. Right now in the dub and in the Japanese version we're in a peak.

Gravy
6th December 2005, 9:39 PM
I can stick cronicals cuz its not got ash in it its every one else cause ash has got a bit boring.
Personally, I think Chronicles is overated crap :P
Give me a "Claydoll, Big and Tall" over a "Luvdisc is a many Splendored Thing" any day.
Then again, I suppose one man's trash....~

Feity
6th December 2005, 9:50 PM
You mean its playing catching to Kanto.

Unfortunately the anime has peaks and slumps. Right now in the dub and in the Japanese version we're in a peak.
I'm not sure the spoiler tags were neccesary =p
I personally don't like the anime that much, but it actually does appear to be at a peak right now. Especially with all the *gasp* continuity that the BF is delivering (the actual arenas, not the fillers)

poke_life
6th December 2005, 10:05 PM
(i hope ive put this in the right place, theres so many rules i hope i havent broke any already i'm new)

Well yeah back in 1998 or whatever first like series great but i am soooooooo anoyed with team rocket motto etc its basicly the same structre for every episode! I can stick cronicals cuz its not got ash in it its every one else cause ash has got a bit boring. it must be me getting old but i just dont get the animie anymore.

Well i don't mind it and i don't see the oint in changing it, its like something that makes team rocket original

ChaosMage
6th December 2005, 10:22 PM
Chronicals sucks. BADLY. Not one episode that I've seen has matched up to anything from the real series.

Ice Cold Glalie
6th December 2005, 10:24 PM
Chronicals sucks. BADLY. Not one episode that I've seen has matched up to anything from the real series.

That's not true when Brock gives his pokemon to Forrest, that follows onto when Brock appears in Hoenn

Jesse GS the II
6th December 2005, 10:54 PM
That's not true when Brock gives his pokemon to Forrest, that follows onto when Brock appears in Hoenn

"Match up" meaning "equal in terms of quality", not "provide canonical plot points".

CyberCubed
6th December 2005, 10:58 PM
Is it just me or does the animie suck a little?

I think you suck a little Emoeevee. :o

Serebii
6th December 2005, 11:02 PM
CC, that was unwarranted and pointless...please dont do it again. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Emoeevee is justifying her opinion and she has every right to it

Geki
6th December 2005, 11:41 PM
I see no flaws with the anime, but I did hate Johto. The animation was poor, tons of fillers, and crappy battles.

Meowth
7th December 2005, 12:55 AM
I agree with you in that its gone downhill but I don't really care and neither does anyone else apparently. I watch it just to keep up with what is happening to Team Rocket, who I think have gotten progressively worse in their role in the anime. I still love 'em, but they were more likable in the first season in just about every way.

You should stop watching it if you feel strongly about it. You might save yourself from potential embarassment, if that's any reason.

Quilava Krazy
7th December 2005, 12:56 AM
The show is awsome! I love watching May [she is so hot]

Rex Kamex
7th December 2005, 1:04 AM
I see no flaws with the anime, but I did hate Johto. The animation was poor, tons of fillers, and crappy battles.

The ironoic thing was that Gold and Silver gave Johto a lot of potential. (Crystal did too, but it came later so it wasn't as new as the first two games.) The Johto episodes started out pretty good, but after a while I got bored with them.

There are plot hole are flaws in the anime though. I wish that somebody would actually do something with the GS Ball instead of keep it at Kurt's. That also gave the show a lot of potential.

And even though the episodes mainly share the main plot (with Team Rocket and all), that doesn't necessarily mean they are unoriginal (though some are).

Gravy
7th December 2005, 2:18 AM
I see no flaws with the anime, but I did hate Johto. The animation was poor, tons of fillers, and crappy battles.
The animation really isn't any different now. These days we have a select few episodes produced by the better animation directors, and thats about it. Computer colored =/= Good animation. Why people assume otherwise I'll never know.

Heracross vs. Scizor? Cyndaquil vs. Skarmory? Pikachu vs. Piloswine? Those battles were anything but crappy, and are only the tip of the iceburg.

Heracross
7th December 2005, 2:46 AM
Indeed - if there was one thing Jouto had going for it, it did have some sweet battles.

The Big Al
7th December 2005, 5:23 AM
Indeed - if there was one thing Jouto had going for it, it did have some sweet battles.
Yeah but it's too bad we didn't have more of them instead of Pikachu vs. TR Mech. It's like the writers could make a decent plot but couldn't write a decent battle to save their lives. Then they finally got battles down but lost the plot abilities.

Jesse GS the II
7th December 2005, 2:34 PM
The show is awsome! I love watching May [she is so hot]

This certainly doesn't help to allay my suspicion that I'm out of my element around here. I'd much rather analyze the show's evolution and the development of the characters than drool over animated pictures of a 12-year-old.

CyberCubed
7th December 2005, 3:15 PM
This certainly doesn't help to allay my suspicion that I'm out of my element around here. I'd much rather analyze the show's evolution and the development of the characters than drool over animated pictures of a 12-year-old.

Who says you can't do both? >_>

The Big Al
7th December 2005, 6:31 PM
Who says you can't do both? >_>
I think Jesse was making the point that people think the anime is great because they think May is hot and ignore the glaring failings of the rest of the anime.

Emoeevee
7th December 2005, 7:01 PM
I love watching May [she is so hot]

I hope you being sarcastic cause thats a little worrying .............. :)

Jesse GS the II
7th December 2005, 9:09 PM
I think Jesse was making the point that people think the anime is great because they think May is hot and ignore the glaring failings of the rest of the anime.

Bingo. The anime isn't all that great, but it could be if it applied itself - and it boggles my mind how many fans ignore all that and follow it like sheep because they think that a cartoon preteen is the most attractive woman on the planet. And people wonder why "Pokémon" has such a bad reputation.

PDL
7th December 2005, 11:18 PM
Bingo. The anime isn't all that great, but it could be if it applied itself - and it boggles my mind how many fans ignore all that and follow it like sheep because they think that a cartoon preteen is the most attractive woman on the planet. And people wonder why "Pokémon" has such a bad reputation.

Pokemon only suffers from a bad reputation because most of the fanbase itself consists of immature children/idiots.

the anime contributes a small fraction to this problem, but it's the marketing department's fault...

look at the other fandoms, each of the websites manage to work together and enrich their communities, then look at the pokemon fandom, most of the websites have petty wars with one another...

if there is one thing I really dislike about Pokemon, it's it's own fanbase.

The Big Al
8th December 2005, 12:05 AM
That's because of personal issue. Serebii and Arachic would probably strangle one another Londo/G'Kar style if given the chance.

I think the problem with Pokemon is the worst representation of the franchise (the anime), is the most visible.

Kamex
8th December 2005, 1:32 AM
look at the other fandoms, each of the websites manage to work together and enrich their communities, then look at the pokemon fandom, most of the websites have petty wars with one another...

if there is one thing I really dislike about Pokemon, it's it's own fanbase.
Yeah, but that's no big deal. I think the fact that the fanbase is so large, and we have websites with hundreds of users logged in each day means something toward's Pokemon's popularity and all that.

Emoeevee
8th December 2005, 7:04 PM
I think nintendo/4 kids should remember the old-schoolers the more mature poke fans and make a more grown up anime (dear lord not hentai thats just sick)

FabuVinny
8th December 2005, 8:17 PM
Why does grown up automatically equal hentai? I'm sure there is plenty of mature anime that isn't porn.

Anyway, the fact is that the main target audience is kids, and so a more mature anime is not a logical change. Besides, 4Kids does make the effort to appeal to its older fans.

The Big Al
8th December 2005, 8:19 PM
It would be nice if they at least gave a well developed plot. The cookie cutter fillers are annoying and you know they will rear their ugly heads sooner or later.

FabuVinny
8th December 2005, 9:58 PM
I'd love that, but I don't really think the writers are capable of doing one.

Sharpshooter
9th December 2005, 1:03 AM
Nope sorry, I don't think AG is good as old Kanto for a lot of reasons.

I find the characters quite dull particularly the new faces I'm afraid who I find pretty ordinary as far as "excitable and interesting characters" are concerned. That's not to say that I dislike them of course though.

Although the story arc's are quite fulfilling and detailed, I still find the way in which it's presented in cartoon/animé format quite boring. The group interaction between the four them probably emphasises this I think where they all say the same things, do the same things, act the same way, all very nice to each other, eating Brock's sandwiches etc etc and after a while it's gets a tad irritating. The fact that the group acts "younger" to appeal to "younger fans" is what gets to me I think.

I'd like to reiterate I don't hate it, I still buy the dvd's, watch them, talk about them and still have a very strong interest in the show, but if you're comparing it to Kanto nah I'm afraid Kanto still wins down IMO. But I'm still hopeful that there will be future seasons that are on the same leve as Kanto one day. Just maybe. :)

Kamex
9th December 2005, 1:16 AM
Nope sorry, I don't think AG is good as old Kanto for a lot of reasons.

I find the characters quite dull particularly the new faces I'm afraid who I find pretty ordinary as far as "excitable and interesting characters" are concerned. That's not to say that I dislike them of course though.

Although the story arc's are quite fulfilling and detailed, I still find the way in which it's presented in cartoon/animé format quite boring. The group interaction between the four them probably emphasises this I think where they all say the same things, do the same things, act the same way, all very nice to each other, eating Brock's sandwiches etc etc and after a while it's gets a tad irritating. The fact that the group acts "younger" to appeal to "younger fans" is what gets to me I think.

I'd like to reiterate I don't hate it, I still buy the dvd's, watch them, talk about them and still have a very strong interest in the show, but if you're comparing it to Kanto nah I'm afraid Kanto still wins down IMO. But I'm still hopeful that there will be future seasons that are on the same leve as Kanto one day. Just maybe. :)
Yeah, I agree.

...yup.

Edit: Sorry, couldn't think of what to say. Well, you covered just about everything with that. Throw in the nostalgia and Kanto's officially number 1 in my list.

PDL
9th December 2005, 1:38 AM
if anything the Indigo episodes can be considered as a completely different show then the one it is now.

at the very beginning of the anime, the writers probably had written for other animes or just fresh out of college, they probably haven't written a show that would be uniquie or as popular as pokemon is.

the Pokemon anime came into being because of the success of the games. This is so because there's always some rule that whenever something catches on in Japanese pop culture, a TV show of it is not too far behind (pretty much like amercian pop culture in the 80's)

It was always written for children, since it was Game Freak's bright idea to aim it at children, This would mean simple plots and lots of action so children can follow along without get bored. Primairly though, it was written for japanese children. So it had lots of references to japanese culture and other japanese stuff. It was much like any other TV show that aired in Japan.

however, there were a few cruical things that happened which shaped the anime from what it was to what it is now.

1. The game's inital success. The games were hugely popular in Japan, so they decided to import it and other Pokemon-related merchandise to the US and other english speaking nations.

2. 4Kids' purchase to the rights of the anime. Before pokemon, 4kids was a small company. Dubbing anime wasn't a huge cash cow as it is now. Few other animes that were successful in the US, Speed Racer and Sailor Moon were some of them. 4Kids though had a contraverseal idea, localizing the show so that it will appeal to the english speaking public. This would mean less visual puns/jokes (as they usually had no english eqviaulent and it would be impossible for it to translate the joke and have it remain intact) and references to Japan was cut down a bit (not completely though as seen in everytime the gang went through Ecruteak City) and Japanese kanji was changed to a made up script.

3. The Porygon episode, before this episode was created, the pokemon series had outlandish plots that never ever happened in the games. Such as being trapped in a sunken ship at the bottom of the ocean or being turned into dolls by a possessed and ungodly doll and other things. However, Porygon's debut episode is famous for flashing red and blue rapidly, causing 700 cases of sezuires and other health problems. To prevent such things from happening again, Porygon and Porygon2 are unable to make an appearance in an episode. Plus the plots were rewritten and no longer as outlandish and crazy as it once was. No way in hell is the gang going into cyberspace

It would be impossible for the anime to be as it was when it first began considering the circumstances, the best one can hope for is that it does better then the last season. Or at least Jotho.

Emoeevee
9th December 2005, 7:04 PM
I just fought of somthing else. Orange islands BORING i mean there wasnt even a game with the orange islands

PDL
9th December 2005, 7:31 PM
I just fought of somthing else. Orange islands BORING i mean there wasnt even a game with the orange islands


true, but the orange islands were based on a pokemon Manga (japanese comics)... I think (which came out first? anime Orange Islands or Ono's Manga Orange Islands?)

anyway, I found the orange islands uniquie because they weren't based on any game... the writers were forced to imagine what would happen to Ash and his friends for themselves rather then relying on Nintendo's games...

but chances are this will never happen again because they've made it so that a story arc (or pokemon leauge) lasts as long as the newest generation of games is being sold in stores (usually the new saga starts the very day the games get released)

Heracross
9th December 2005, 7:32 PM
I quite enjoyed the Orange Islands. They had a lot of character and were different from anything else we've seen in the show. I liked the concept of Satoshi-tachi traveling around the archipelago on Lapras, and all the different islands that had their own unique themes. I don't see why it matters that there were never games based on them.

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
9th December 2005, 7:41 PM
AG is the opposite of boring, especially where the dub is now, late Hoenn, even the fillers are good!

Johto was when most of the fans went away, and I went away from pokemon until Hoenn began, biggest mistake of my life......

Chronicles was over rated, and poorly dubbed..... the only episodes I enjoyed alot were the eps at Oak's lab.

I do respect your opinions, Kanto was classic, Orange Islands were Ok, early and mid johto sucked, late Johto ruled and all of AG (Hoenn and Kanto Frontier) have been realy good, When a new ep of pokemon airs I watch it over 20 times before I delete it from my sky+ planner (same with fullmetal alchemist).

the only problem so far in AG is groudon and Kyogre's debuts (luckily kyogre has a movie now), rushed Hoenn league and others I can't think of

The Big Al
9th December 2005, 8:29 PM
I personally believe 4Kids' screwing with the anime back up into the Japanese version. Kanji is replaced with what we call "Tajirian" and aside from it being impossible to get rid of, culture references are almost non existant. I highly doubt the Japanese writers decided this on their own. That's when the anime really started suck.

RED1992
10th December 2005, 2:43 AM
its not just u. its me to. the anime is the suckiest thing in suck and it gives the games a really bad rep. if it didnt exist nintendo would be making billons.

Gravy
10th December 2005, 2:46 AM
if it didnt exist nintendo would be making billons.
They are making billions. The animé actually helps as a matter of fact.

Seriously, at least understand what you're talking about before you blurt such stuff out.

PDL
10th December 2005, 3:03 AM
They are making billions. The animé actually helps as a matter of fact.

Seriously, at least understand what you're talking about before you blurt such stuff out.

you do realize that no single company can make Billons of dollars... most countries don't even have billons of dollars... and most certainly not Game Freak/TVtokyo/Nintendo/4Kids combined


I personally believe 4Kids' screwing with the anime back up into the Japanese version. Kanji is replaced with what we call "Tajirian" and aside from it being impossible to get rid of, culture references are almost non existant. I highly doubt the Japanese writers decided this on their own. That's when the anime really started suck.

this is why I've given up on anyone, japanese writers or amercain dubbers to make an awesome story involving pokemon. The best I can hope for is half-way decent...

I think it's not that the anime "sucks", it's that people have their expectations far too high... like you expect it to be the sequel to the bible or the dictionary or something...

it's an anime invented by marketers to make a profit, weither in yen or dollars, and made for children.

chosen_one386
10th December 2005, 3:24 AM
Well, I like the anime, but it does suck. I mean, I'm teased all the time at school by people who think Pokemon is for little kids, people who have only watched the anime.
;201-z; The anime does not suck!
Of course you say that, you stared in a movie and an episode! *goes to find out how to get annoying Pokemon off of post*

CyberCubed
10th December 2005, 4:18 AM
^ Errr, if you enjoy the anime why would you say it sucks?

So in other words you have to think it sucks because other people think it's kiddie?

Kids these days.

Heracross
10th December 2005, 4:37 AM
Heracross says: "Thinking for yourself is good." http://www.serebiiforums.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

Emoeevee
10th December 2005, 3:34 PM
its not just u. its me to. the anime is the suckiest thing in suck and it gives the games a really bad rep. if it didnt exist nintendo would be making billons.

i sort of agree... the animie is what gives pokemon a 'kiddie' title. Its because its sooo simple and well a cartoon i guess. The games are in a leugue of ther own the animie doesnt really do it justice.

Dogasu
10th December 2005, 3:55 PM
Kanto is overrated. Throw out the nostalgia (which is what 90% of the "OMG Kant0 is teh R0XX0rS!!1!" people are basing their arguments on) and you're left with an average season with horrible pacing, terrible animation (not that it's much better now), and a plot that feels like it was written as they went along.

The Big Al
10th December 2005, 4:07 PM
That was the best part. The fact it was written like it was written as they went along was what made it great. It was unpredictable and exciting. Now-a-days, you can be given the featured Pokemon and guess the flow of the entire episode. As for bad pacing, it's a common problem for shows believed to be cancelled.

I don't think Kanto is overrated because despite being low budget, and on the apparent verge of cancellation, they pulled off a decent beginning. It's just that the quick start had to be followed by a long filler arc. Still, Kanto was a much better storyline than gym battles/contest with ten episodes the "generic forest of woe" in between.

Emoeevee
10th December 2005, 4:13 PM
Now-a-days, you can be given the featured Pokemon and guess the flow of the entire episode. As for bad pacing, it's a common problem for shows believed to be cancelled.

I toattaly agree!

Heracross
10th December 2005, 9:19 PM
Sure, nostalgia does play a significant role, but I also think the writers genuinely put more effort into the individual episode plots. Now granted, back then they didn't have to worry as much about repeating plotlines as they hadn't yet used up all their ideas, but I still think that if they really tried with some of these new fillers they could come up with something different now and then. And if the Battle Frontier is what they get when they plan ahead, then I'll take horible pacing any day.

No matter how clean and nice the animation is now, I still prefer the look of the older episodes. Not necessarily because the animation was "better", but because it's just more fun to watch. It was so stylized and unique. AG episodes have their good and their bad animation, but the style is always the same. Quite boring if you ask me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Heracross/Team%20Rocket/Kojirose5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Heracross/Team%20Rocket/onoes.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Heracross/Episode%2026/Shocking.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Heracross/Team%20Rocket/FashionDisaster.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Heracross/Team%20Rocket/NiceWoik.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Heracross/Team%20Rocket/Cool_Kojirou2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Heracross/Team%20Rocket/tickedoff.jpg

Rex Kamex
11th December 2005, 3:35 AM
Yeah, you gotta love the old school style.


Kanto is overrated. Throw out the nostalgia (which is what 90% of the "OMG Kant0 is teh R0XX0rS!!1!" people are basing their arguments on) and you're left with an average season with horrible pacing, terrible animation (not that it's much better now), and a plot that feels like it was written as they went along.

I don't get why people say that Kanto goes real fast. It's just that the Johto and Hoenn sagas are longer. The Kanto region didn't take two to three years (well, maybe it did take two years in Japan because of that hitaus thingy) probably because the animators weren't sure how long the fad would last. Back then, the region of Kanto wasn't supposed to be too long or too short.

The Kanto saga was only original because it was first, but like Heracross, I've liked the old style of the episodes. Also, there were just certain things that only happened in Kanto completely, like the Porygon episode and the St. Anne arc of episodes. The anime isn't bad now, but I still favor Kanto.

Chilled2m7
11th December 2005, 6:13 AM
It's too bad that the show has to be so damn repetitive. It's gotten better since a few years back, but I've really gotta say. Some of the episodes they have really put me to sleep.
It takes sooo long for anything interesting to happen you would be better off watching the last ten minutes and skipping the rest.

CyberCubed
11th December 2005, 6:25 AM
I don't see that applying to most of Hoenn.

intergalactic platypus
11th December 2005, 5:44 PM
well maybe the shows quality isnt the best; ill admit that flat out. but its fun and entertaining, and thats what TVs supposed to be. as for the kanto debate, i do think kanto was better. the characters were far less flat and the fillers were a lot more memorable. i like AG and all, but the characters lost a good deal of spirit and the fillers have become more and more predictable. still, the anime is on a peak

Slypher
11th December 2005, 9:06 PM
I find it amazing that you just reliazed the anime sucked right now. The anime is simply medioric, filled with so much wasted potental, it isn't funny. Personally I think it suck, I just watch it nowadays for the heck of it or when the episode it actually good. Either way, I have better ways to spend my time then watching a really sucky, boring, predictable anime. (lol opnions)

Andromache
23rd December 2005, 2:03 PM
The nostalgia for Kanto truly does exist, but I don't have any episodes to really compare, and in any case, I'm not sure I could take Misty. Still, Kanto is good partially because that's where everyone got introduced and it's inevitably the plumbline for future seasons, whether one thinks the latter seasons are better or worse. Still, I remember Kanto having original, creative fillers and it really started getting predictable in the Orange League anyway, when I got the point that it was going to be Ash collecting badges and trying to win or place well in a tournament...again.

I agree that the nostalgia for the first season probably plays a role in our longing for the unpredictability of those episodes, but I think that since it was setting the precedent, the ideas were bound to be fun.

It was interesting to follow Charmander, to watch Ash mess up and grow, to go along on adventures. The characters were easy to care about. Nowadays, I don't care for the new characters simply because May is like Ash except that she collects ribbons and Max is just someone who tries to act tough but doesn't quite pull it off. It was weird to have Misty back in the Togepi eps because May and Max felt like outsiders. Perhaps it's simply a natural reaction to balk at change, but as annoying as Misty could be sometimes, she at least had a personality all her own.

Magus
23rd December 2005, 4:38 PM
I don't get why people say that Kanto goes real fast. It's just that the Johto and Hoenn sagas are longer.
That's part of the problem, IMO. Johto and Hoenn were both longer than they needed to be. Yet even with the increased length, we've ended up with rushjobs like the horribly disappointing Groudon vs Kyogre confrontation. Would it really have been too much to ask to sacrifice some of the pointless, formulaic fillers to make Groudon/Kyogre a longer mini-arc with a more epic battle? We're talking about a clash of two Legendaries; that deserves a lot more than what we saw.

Puffs
23rd December 2005, 6:49 PM
That's part of the problem, IMO. Johto and Hoenn were both longer than they needed to be. Yet even with the increased length, we've ended up with rushjobs like the horribly disappointing Groudon vs Kyogre confrontation. Would it really have been too much to ask to sacrifice some of the pointless, formulaic fillers to make Groudon/Kyogre a longer mini-arc with a more epic battle? We're talking about a clash of two Legendaries; that deserves a lot more than what we saw.

True. Aren't Ruby, Sapphire, & Emerald COMPLETELY CENTERED AROUND THAT?

I think it would've been wise to make a bigger arc, or even a movie about the Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza battle.

T.Z
23rd December 2005, 7:03 PM
I stopped watching after Kanto. Just simply because the animé got worser in my opinion. I haven't seen alot of AG shows though so i can't really say anything about that.

Although I got bored one day and downloaded every movie there was (Up to Destiny Deoxys) and I must say, the newer movies like Heroes, Jirachi-something and Destiny Deoxys is quite good.

Jesse GS the II
24th December 2005, 12:00 AM
The primary reason Houen became so boring is because there's only so much you can do with the characters. Haruka and Masato were open books at the beginning of the saga, but Satoshi and Takeshi have gone as far as they can go in the character development department. And, of course, Musashi-tachi are in the same boat, given that they've been around since Day 2. Now Haruka's falling into monotiny, and Masato isn't being given a whole lot to do. If they'd put the focus on a different clique of trainers, there'd be fewer recycled plotlines and more captivating stories. But, of course, that can't happen, save for the occasional special.

Kabuto
24th December 2005, 12:09 AM
Took the words out of my mouth (whoever started this thread). Everyone is repetitive and the plots are too nice. Nothing ever happens except next gym next contest, or next TR plan failure. And don't give me Magma and Aqua because the final ending sucked. Only the movies offer good plots now.

CyberCubed
24th December 2005, 12:25 AM
The primary reason Houen became so boring is because there's only so much you can do with the characters. Haruka and Masato were open books at the beginning of the saga, but Satoshi and Takeshi have gone as far as they can go in the character development department. And, of course, Musashi-tachi are in the same boat, given that they've been around since Day 2. Now Haruka's falling into monotiny, and Masato isn't being given a whole lot to do. If they'd put the focus on a different clique of trainers, there'd be fewer recycled plotlines and more captivating stories. But, of course, that can't happen, save for the occasional special.

What aspects of Hoenn were boring? We may have gotten some crappy filler here and there, but Hoenn has had a consistent quality. And how has May fallen into monotiny? We have had excellent fillers followed by one or two duds, which then went back to excellence again.

Seriously, do you ever not whine about your precious Kanto?

Jesse GS the II
24th December 2005, 1:34 AM
What aspects of Hoenn were boring? We may have gotten some crappy filler here and there, but Hoenn has had a consistent quality. And how has May fallen into monotiny? We have had excellent fillers followed by one or two duds, which then went back to excellence again.

Seriously, do you ever not whine about your precious Kanto?

Sometimes, when I'm asleep.

In regards to Haruka, her contests are starting to hit a slump. She's pretty much going down the same route that Satoshi went - doing the same thing over and over again, while we in the audience know that she's never going to succeed. As long as she's a frontrunner on the show, she's not gonna achieve the rank of Master Coordinator, just like Satoshi isn't going to achieve the rank of Pokémon Master as long as he's the main male lead. My point is, the writers don't shake things up enough. The whole show is based on a series of video games in which the basic premise never changes, and as such, the basic premise of the show can never change. If the anime was allowed to break free of those restrictions, there'd be many more new and inventive plots, I'm sure.

Kabuto
24th December 2005, 1:48 AM
Jesse GS is right though. Believe me I like Hoenn and its characters. But the show is stuck in the same rut since Johto. Kanto was good, then no league, Orange Islands was just leading up to Johto and then once the group got to Johto, the show repeated its same course. Fillers were worse, and more annoying. The show got repetitive and theres nothing left. If Ash and May didn't always focus on another Gym and league they might make some progress. The show needs the group trapped on an island, fighting ninjas, being attacked by pirates like the good ol' days. In Kanto we got a sunken ship, Giant Pokemon Island, Samurai, Fire Gym on top of lava etc. Now we just get the same rehashed plot. Pokemon appears, TR tries stealing it then they blast off. Bye Filler Charcter we never shall meet again.

The Big Al
24th December 2005, 1:53 AM
As much as I hate to say it. Pokemon should follow the Power Rangers example. Change the characters completely from time to time. I think Ash was tapped mid way through Johto and the "new" Ash is uninteresting. They tried with May but she turned into a Mary Sue. And Max is Max, the little kid who looks at a map and has an annoying voice (at least in English).

Though, it wouldn't have killed the writers to make something that broke the mold. Pokemon XD was a great game and would have made an awesome OVA as would Toruzie and Mysterious Dungeon.

However, Pokemon biggest problem is continuity. coughreturntokantocough

Puffs
24th December 2005, 8:56 PM
yes, one of the worst things about the anime is that the writers hate Orre.

They have a shot of Mysterious Dungeon in the BF opening, would it be too much to ask for XD001 flying across the screen for s split second?

-_-

Kabuto
24th December 2005, 9:19 PM
Yes, because if XD001 even proves existence in the anime, then the anime would need a plot on it because Shadow Pokemon is a huge plot. I'd love a plot but the anime isn't that dark >__>.

Magus
24th December 2005, 9:56 PM
Sometimes, when I'm asleep.

In regards to Haruka, her contests are starting to hit a slump. She's pretty much going down the same route that Satoshi went - doing the same thing over and over again, while we in the audience know that she's never going to succeed. As long as she's a frontrunner on the show, she's not gonna achieve the rank of Master Coordinator, just like Satoshi isn't going to achieve the rank of Pokémon Master as long as he's the main male lead. My point is, the writers don't shake things up enough. The whole show is based on a series of video games in which the basic premise never changes, and as such, the basic premise of the show can never change. If the anime was allowed to break free of those restrictions, there'd be many more new and inventive plots, I'm sure.
The thing is, there's no reason they couldn't have Ash win a League or May win a Festival. Winning a League doesn't make you a Pokémon Master, or Ash would already be one. What exactly a Pokémon Master is hasn't been defined (not even Lance, who's probably considered to be the best trainer in the anime world, hasn't been described as one to my recollection), so it's not like they'd have to end the show if Ash won another League. But the current writers are apparently terrified of changing anything, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. Surely they know that the viewers (and I'm talking about the pre-teens who are the fanbase that matters) want to see Ash win.

Ralts Master
25th December 2005, 1:38 AM
The primary reason Houen became so boring is because there's only so much you can do with the characters. Haruka and Masato were open books at the beginning of the saga, but Satoshi and Takeshi have gone as far as they can go in the character development department. And, of course, Musashi-tachi are in the same boat, given that they've been around since Day 2. Now Haruka's falling into monotiny, and Masato isn't being given a whole lot to do. If they'd put the focus on a different clique of trainers, there'd be fewer recycled plotlines and more captivating stories. But, of course, that can't happen, save for the occasional special.
Took the words right out of my mouth. They should have pulled a "Digimon Tamers" with Hoenn and had an entirely new cast.


To prevent such things from happening again, Porygon and Porygon2 are unable to make an appearance in an episode.
Which is unfair considering, iirc, Porygon didn't even cause the flashing lights, Pikachu did!

And yes, the anime sucks now. Has since around early Johto when I originally stopped watching. You should know my "Ash has no place in Johto and Hoenn" rant, my "Team Rocket and Brock are pathetic" rant, and my "the Magma/Aqua/Kyogre/Groudon storyline was badly handled" rant by now. Not to mention apparently the writers they for the current arc never watched the first Kanto arc...

Mastercougar
27th December 2005, 6:15 PM
There's a lot of soul in the orginal Kanto season. Even the fillers were interesting and amusing. But once they decided that they had to introduce a new pokemon in every episode, it started to get blah-y.

undisputed_seraphim
31st December 2005, 4:12 PM
So people, what do you think you would do to spice up the anime that's going doooowwwwn?? IMO, I would remix the storlines of Digimon, heh heh, save the transport-between-worlds stuff through a compuer, of course. I'd say Digimon had a pretty captivating storyline, if only it didn't end so soon...

intergalactic platypus
31st December 2005, 6:35 PM
I think its wierd and kind of stupid that Ash, Brock, and TR made a return to AG. Not because it was a different reigon, but because AG is technically an entirely different series. If its a different series, then I don't see why they should keep the same characters to clog up the new concepts. I would like to see them turn D/P into a truly different series instead of just a new numbering system

The Big Al
31st December 2005, 6:48 PM
A major problem I have is with Team Rocket. They're an excuse to make the rest of the characters dull. You want to laugh, cut to TR. That isn't right and is down right lazy. Not mention they lost their stance as serious villians years ago and have just gotten sadder as time past.

I would start from scratch because the anime as I've said many times before, is in a rut. It occasionally get's higher in that rut but it eventually falls back to the bottom.

Kabuto
31st December 2005, 7:09 PM
I would start from scratch because the anime as I've said many times before, is in a rut. It occasionally get's higher in that rut but it eventually falls back to the bottom.


Starting from scratch would prove nothing. We'd just be seeing another trainer doing the same thing Ash has been doing for almost 10 years. If the writers would write better episodes then we'd be getting something good. Here are the flaws of the anime:

Team Rocket- We don't have to start from scratch if TR leaves. They've done nothing new since Johto. And their awful motto!!!

Lame Plots- Sorry but a plot about Igglybuff dancing doesn't cut it for me. I'd like to see more battles which are better paced. No electric coating on Pikachu and Swellow, make the trainers smart and give them strategies that are practical.

No Real villains- Add villains but having the same trio of villains is stupid. Add a change in villains so we see different trainers showcasing different pokemon having different plots!

Rehashing- One of the worst parts is repeating old jokes. Am I the only one tired of Max pulling Brocks ear or seeing Cacnea attack James.

Variety- Instead of the same stories add change. Lets see a tournament or a flying base, or a castle. Let us see the world in danger. After a while, knowing the trio is safe and sound and seeing them "make friends" gets annoying.

More Pokemon- Seeing Ash switch Pokemon in battle is brilliant. Transporting through boxes is wonderful so we can always see different Pokemon in action.

At this point, all the show needs is change I'd say 90 percent of what we see in each episode has been seen before.

The Big Al
31st December 2005, 8:04 PM
This is why I said I'd fire the writing staff and bring in fresh blood and new ideas.

+Chaos Blade+
31st December 2005, 8:28 PM
Here are some of my complaints towards the anime.

Team Rocket is dull. All they do is want to capture Pikachu and _____ _____'s 'rare Pokeymon' to give to the bois, so they can get their [in unison] raise and promotion to chairman of Team Rocket! Huzzah! [Wobbuffet!] They are so stale. In the beginning of the series, James was an intelligent young man with great aspirations. With his battle tactics in the past and love for his dog and Koffing/Weezing, he's a great character. Jessie was great in the past as well, loving her hair more than anything, and also, men.

Now, they're bumbling idiots that don't even care of their own welfare. They just want to capture Pikachu again and again with mechs that won't work after, "Ludicolo, Mudkip, use Water Gun!" "Torkoal, Flamethrower!" and the creme of the crop - "Pikachu, Thunderbolt!" It's like doing your laundry - it's tedious and boring.

---

Max - His voice is annoying. He thinks he's a know-it-all just because he reads a lot of books. Kid, let me tell you something. LIFE ISN'T JUST ABOUT BEING A NERD. You have to experience and go through the harshness of training. Your battle with the Poliwag was stupid. All you used was Defense Curl. Make an effort and use Water Gun to attack the Magby, but no, all you cared was your "Defensive Strategies Against Fire-types" book you have installed in the PokeNav. Get a life.

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Ash - Okay, he's stubborn, stupid, and is not strategic in battle. He cares about one thing - Pikachu, Pikachu, Pikachu. Pikachu battles every time. Thunderbolts, Quick Attacks, Agilities, Iron Tails and Thunders are all it does. Ash, learn to use the Competitve Movesets Guide, why don't you? Learn how to battle properly and use defensive moves with a bit of offense. Use Swellow's Double Team and then make all of them use Aerial Ace to confuse the opponent, leading to serious damage.

LEARN TO BATTLE AND STOP BEING A MORON. You're fifteen in the Japanese version, so act like a mature young MAN, and not some stupid KIDDY BRAT.

---

The plotline.

- Ash and co. meet some kid
- Kid has Pokemon
- TR does stupid motto and Meowth does stupid Chibi Giovanni scene. Thinks Pokemon is Rare.
- Ash and kid battle.
- Ash wins with Pikachu.
- TR Comes in Mech and attack guys. Unison: Team Rocket!
- Stupid Motto again with 'a twist' - :rolleyes:
- Kid uses megapowerful attack from Pokemon
- "Pikachu, Thunderbolt!"
- "Looks like TR is blasting off again!"

---

Suggestions

Get rid of all of the characters and start anew. Let the older fans [13 - 15], not the kids decide the plot. If I were much older, I'd go and learn Japanese to talk to them. It's important that they change this, or 4Kids makes it more 4Everyone. GET RID OF THE PUNS IN TITLES!

Gah. It's great the The Pokemon Company is taking over. I just hope they listen to the fanbase. -.-

Bulba the Great!
31st December 2005, 8:35 PM
The Pokemon Company isn't taking over. They're only running the merchandising. 4Kids is still dubbing, and besides, that's only the dubbing front. The Japanese be the ones creating the plots. 4Kids is the American dubbing company. Straighten your facts out.
/off-topic.

Oh, and I believe they should make the show about Takeshi, Fushigidane, and Juptile. *is shot*

Cheers!
~Bulby ;001;

+Chaos Blade+
31st December 2005, 8:38 PM
They're not. Looks like I forgot about that, But, I mean come on, don't you think the entire series is getting old and boring? If it's still going to be - meet, stolen Pokemon, Thunder[bolt], then that's pathetic for a show with a large fanbase.

Bulba the Great!
31st December 2005, 8:44 PM
I never said I didn't think the characters are getting stale. Although, they aren't really, they've just gone as far as they can. Character development can only go so far. I just want Pikachu to leave. Then the show would be good:P

Cheers!
~Bulby ;001;

Gravy
31st December 2005, 9:21 PM
Max - His voice is annoying.
Most of the voices on the show are.
USOHA! USOHA! USOHA! USOHA!


He thinks he's a know-it-all just because he reads a lot of books. Kid, let me tell you something. LIFE ISN'T JUST ABOUT BEING A NERD.
Oh lookie, the argument I love MOST!
Here's my answer to that~ (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=2565099&postcount=57)


You have to experience and go through the harshness of training.
Which is why he's travelling with Ash in the first place. To get an insight into how pokémon are trained, and get a general idea of how to treat the creatures and use them effectively in battle. He's getting an early start to put himself ahead of the game.


Your battle with the Poliwag was stupid. ..etc.
That was his first freaking pokémon battle. Which was just over three years ago. Give him a break.


Ash - Okay, he's stubborn, stupid, and is not strategic in battle.
Thats bull, right off the bat :/ ...apart from the stubborn part of course. But thats more of a plus, if anything.


Ash, learn to use the Competitve Movesets Guide, why don't you? Learn how to battle properly and use defensive moves with a bit of offense. Use Swellow's Double Team and then make all of them use Aerial Ace to confuse the opponent, leading to serious damage.
He's already used that strategy in the show. See the league battle against Kaede, part 2. Research would've helped a little.


LEARN TO BATTLE AND STOP BEING A MORON. You're fifteen in the Japanese version, so act like a mature young MAN, and not some stupid KIDDY BRAT.
He isn't 15 in the japanese version. And he CAN battle. He CAN use strategy, and has done so for a good majority of his post-Kanto matches.
But judging from the way you've talked, I'm having doubts that you've actually seen any of his battles post-Kanto, have you?

Is it really THAT difficult to deviate from 'He's a know-it-all' and 'He can't battle to save his life' around here or something?

Sushi
31st December 2005, 9:32 PM
Max - His voice is annoying. He thinks he's a know-it-all just because he reads a lot of books. Kid, let me tell you something. LIFE ISN'T JUST ABOUT BEING A NERD. You have to experience and go through the harshness of training. Your battle with the Poliwag was stupid. All you used was Defense Curl. Make an effort and use Water Gun to attack the Magby, but no, all you cared was your "Defensive Strategies Against Fire-types" book you have installed in the PokeNav. Get a life.
....And travelling with his sister and his friends taught him just that. That reading books and knowing Pokémons' names and their move sets by heart does not make you incredibly experienced at actual battling.


Ash - Okay, he's stubborn, stupid, and is not strategic in battle.
You must've stopped watching the show after OI.

He cares about one thing - Pikachu, Pikachu, Pikachu. Pikachu battles every time.
Against Team Rocket, yes. But why not? It's the only Pokémon that is out of its Pokéball all the time. Why wasting your time calling a Pokémon out when there is one right in front of you? It's not that he has to use strategy or consider type (dis)advantages, because he can win against TR with every Pokémon he has. In Gym Battles, however, he does use other Pokémon. I suggest you to pay attention next time.

You're fifteen in the Japanese version
Cool! =D That was confirmed....when?

Learn how to battle properly and use defensive moves with a bit of offense. Use Swellow's Double Team and then make all of them use Aerial Ace to confuse the opponent, leading to serious damage.
Yep, do that in every single battle and bore the viewers with repetitive strategies. Ash's battles are exciting because his strategies are bizarre.

I can understand that people are getting bored with the show, because I see their point when they say the plots are getting boring and repetitive. What I don't understand, however, is why they're still watching it if they think so. Even I don't have that much time on my hands to bother watching a show that bores me.

Edit: Beaten to it ;D

intergalactic platypus
31st December 2005, 10:27 PM
Get rid of all of the characters and start anew. Let the older fans [13 - 15], not the kids decide the plot. If I were much older, I'd go and learn Japanese to talk to them. It's important that they change this, or 4Kids makes it more 4Everyone
They wouldn't cater to the older fans. The main viewers are little kids; most kids our age have given up on the anime. If they listened to the older fans it would be ratings suicide, at least in places like the States, Britain, and Australia. As much as they mainly concern themselves with the Jap version if they lose their viewers in the West they lose a great deal of the franchise

MasterJedi
31st December 2005, 10:30 PM
They wouldn't cater to the older fans. The main viewers are little kids; most kids our age have given up on the anime. If they listened to the older fans it would be ratings suicide, at least in places like the States, Britain, and Australia. As much as they mainly concern themselves with the Jap version if they lose their viewers in the West they lose a great deal of the franchise

And a lot of the older fans don't want them to get rid of the main cast. Many people have said that if they do that they'll stop watching the show (including me) which would also be ratings suicide.

ToonKid
3rd January 2006, 2:46 AM
i guess the animé does suck a little, but i still kinda enjoy it.

Andromache
5th January 2006, 10:56 AM
I'd quit watching if they changed the cast. It just wouldn't feel the same anymore. While it was jarring at first to see May and Max, I've gotten used to them because Ash and Brock were still there. Many of the eps from this series have been good and fun. Sure, you can't win 'em all, but at least in this series, the Pokemon have distinct personalities and it's cool to see that they interact much more with each other than they did in Kanto. The fact I like May better than Misty helps, too. I think Kanto will always have a special place in my heart but AG has definitely been worth my while to come back to the show.

Russmon
12th January 2006, 3:05 AM
I need to remember to report when this show jumped the shark @ http://www.jumptheshark.com

ハルカ and ゴンベ
13th January 2006, 1:46 AM
He isn't 15 in the japanese version. And he CAN battle. He CAN use strategy, and has done so for a good majority of his post-Kanto matches.
But judging from the way you've talked, I'm having doubts that you've actually seen any of his battles post-Kanto, have you?

I believe he means that with every new region/competition Satoshi gets a year older? =/ I always thought he was 14-15 also.

The Power of Pika
13th January 2006, 4:19 AM
Well if the cast was gotten rid of then things would take a while to adjust to. You can get away with Ash. What I mean is make his voice an adult voice and say his voice matured. The rest I don't know what they'll do if it is recasted. Though they might be able to get new voice actors that can immitate the old ones. It's happened before with cartoons. A try out where they have people come and they see who can get close to the characters voice. It won't be exaclty the same but it will be close enough.

I still like the series though Team Rocket have been a bit weird. I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this but I think the show would improve if Team Rocket were given a rest for a while. They should also start getting a bit more depth into the characters like History and so forth especially the stars like Ash.

RED1992
13th January 2006, 7:46 AM
here's what they should do: mew2 shows up, says he's getting tired of all these pointless gayass fillers, so he lifts them(them being all the filler characters) up with his phychic power, and teleports them all the way 2 the sun, where they get burned to a crisp. next, he wipes everyone's memories of these dull sh*ts, and kills ash&co.

The Battousai
14th January 2006, 5:05 PM
And he CAN'T battle. He CAN'T use strategy

fix'd

Anyway anyone who uses a pikachu competitively and hopes to suceed in battle is an idiot. As for the anime, yeah it's crap but it could've been alot better if the main character wasn't a ******* and team rocket didn't appear so frequently. The only respect I have for pokemon now is the games which are becoming quite generic and repetitive. If diamond and pearl doesn't innovate the series I'm giving up pokemon for good.

CyberCubed
14th January 2006, 5:07 PM
I have no idea what I'm talking about.

fix'd

Don't comment on something when you have no idea what you're talking about.

The Battousai
14th January 2006, 8:59 PM
Cyber Cubed, just shut up already you can stick to your opinion and I can stick to mine. Anyway you're 20 years old and you're still watching kids WB. You're so darn annoying stop instigating me and get a life.

ハルカ and ゴンベ
14th January 2006, 9:00 PM
fix'd

Anyway anyone who uses a pikachu competitively and hopes to suceed in battle is an idiot. As for the anime, yeah it's crap but it could've been alot better if the main character wasn't a ******* and team rocket didn't appear so frequently. The only respect I have for pokemon now is the games which are becoming quite generic and repetitive. If diamond and pearl doesn't innovate the series I'm giving up pokemon for good.

Ok just wanna say..

Pikachu is Satoshi's By far Strongest pokemon, despite Lizardon who is off Training.

It is only an OPINION That the Anime is bad, not an actual fact.

Satoshi is not a *******...He is a normal Kid...not everyone has to be "Intelligent" like you. </Sarcasm>

Rocketto-Dan is There for Comic relief, They are needed for the show and I actually like having them around.

So can we have enough of your Anime/Satoshi bashing? Go play your games and it'd be nice if you stayed off of the ANIME Threads...>_> They do have game Threads too.

Kabuto
14th January 2006, 9:02 PM
I have to say, the anime is getting alot better in Japan thanks to less fillers, and more pokemon evolving in the BF.

Lil Brother
14th January 2006, 9:06 PM
Oh God, why am I getting myself wrapped up in a flame war with this post? >>



Cyber Cubed, just shut up already you can stick to your opinion and I can stick to mine. Anyway you're 20 years old and you're still watching kids WB. You're so darn annoying stop instigating me and get a life.Says 13-year-old who hates the show and yet still comes to a fansite's forum.

ZING!

The Big Al
14th January 2006, 9:10 PM
Cyber Cubed, just shut up already you can stick to your opinion and I can stick to mine. Anyway you're 20 years old and you're still watching kids WB. You're so darn annoying stop instigating me and get a life.
Excuse me? You're the one who came to Serebii.net. You're the one who has bashed Ash. You're the one picking fights with the locals. You're the one instigating everything. If you don't like the anime that much, I suggest you hit the road.

Satoshi
14th January 2006, 9:11 PM
Cyber Cubed, just shut up already you can stick to your opinion and I can stick to mine.
Yeah, stick to your opinion and keep failing :rolleyes:

Anyway you're 20 years old and you're still watching kids WB.Pokemon is for ALL ages. lol If you're point is correct, you're 13, aren't you supposed to be at a random porn site right about now? :/

You're so darn annoying stop instigating me and get a life.
CyberCubed is the one making valid points here, so I don't see how he can annoy you. :rolleyes: Look, you're the annoying one. You keep on *****ing on Ash and the anime without a valid reason. You fail. :)

-Oro

CyberCubed
14th January 2006, 9:20 PM
Cyber Cubed, just shut up already you can stick to your opinion and I can stick to mine. Anyway you're 20 years old and you're still watching kids WB. You're so darn annoying stop instigating me and get a life.

I'm 20 years old watching KidsWb because I'm a great fan of animation. Because I plan or hope to get a job as a writer in the animation industry.

Considering I want to be a writer for an action cartoon as my career in life, I'd say I'm in the right place.

ハルカ and ゴンベ
14th January 2006, 9:26 PM
Cyber Cubed, just shut up already you can stick to your opinion and I can stick to mine. Anyway you're 20 years old and you're still watching kids WB. You're so darn annoying stop instigating me and get a life.

You know...it's posts like this that make me sick.
The Anime is for ALL Ages...the only thing that may make it seem Childish is that Most but certainly not all of it's viewers are kids.


I'm 20 years old watching KidsWb because I'm a great fan of animation. Because I plan or hope to get a job as a writer in the animation industry.

Considering I want to be a writer for an action cartoon as my career in life, I'd say I'm in the right place.

I want to do the same thing and the reason is because of pokémon.

Rex Kamex
14th January 2006, 9:32 PM
Wow, this thread is begging to be closed now. Sorry, but that's all I can say right now. If it does get closed because of this flame war, I won't be surprised. This kind of stuff always happens before a thread gets closed. And Battousai, I'm not going to say anything more than what's been said to you already.


I'm 20 years old watching KidsWb because I'm a great fan of animation. Because I plan or hope to get a job as a writer in the animation industry.

Considering I want to be a writer for an action cartoon as my career in life, I'd say I'm in the right place.

I did not know that. That's pretty cool. What I'd want to do isn't animation, but it's based off of cartoons. Job or not though, since Pokemon is for all ages, it doesn't matter when you stop watching it. (Of course, you know that already.)

High Commander Solomon
14th January 2006, 9:51 PM
Promise us your character development will be better than theirs, okay?

Brown Bomber
14th January 2006, 9:52 PM
It doesn't suck, it just gets people confused of what Pokemon is really about (i.e. battling VS loving bits of data/drawings).

intergalactic platypus
15th January 2006, 1:08 AM
Brown Bomber, in a sense that was the most astute post any game fan has made on this thread. Yes the anime has a different message from the games, but that doesn't mean it sucks. You got it down

Jo-Jo
15th January 2006, 4:26 AM
I agree that the flamer is an idiot, but... come on, the Pokemon anime is NOT for all ages. It is a kids' show. Not even a family show that can be enjoyed by adults as well as children - just a kids' show.

Rex Kamex
15th January 2006, 4:32 AM
I agree that the flamer is an idiot, but... come on, the Pokemon anime is NOT for all ages. It is a kids' show. Not even a family show that can be enjoyed by adults as well as children - just a kids' show.

Okay, I was wrong, it is a kids show, but it's a show where adults can still watch it. I mean, they can watch anything, but it's not a show that adults can't watch.

CyberCubed
15th January 2006, 4:44 AM
Sounds a lot like the Harry Potter fandom to me. The books ARE written primarily for kids, but there are an insane number of adults who read them.

In fact, some Harry Potter books were released in two different covers so adults didn't have to feel embarrassed that they were buying a children's book. :p

Jo-Jo
15th January 2006, 5:30 AM
There is a difference, though, in that J. K. Rowling didn't set out to write 'a children's series'. She came up with an idea she liked, and it turned out as the kind of thing that would appeal to children. Pokemon, though, was designed specifically for a young demographic.

cold_katanagirl
15th January 2006, 5:40 AM
Haha, animie. :D

I didn't know that little piece of information CC.

And Harry Potter sort of matures as it goes along. Pokemon... Doesn't. D:

Andromache
15th January 2006, 7:28 AM
Saying something is for kids is a bit problematic, though. It sort of puts people into categories. I suppose I'm a bit old to be watching Pokemon, and yes, I agree that the anime is sometimes too shallow and idealistic, but I'm the same girl who likes Winnie the Pooh and the Flintstones. It's frustrating that the anime doesn't go into backstory much and that characters don't seem to grow or change, but there's always fanfic to explore these things if one gets desperate, and fanfics tend to have more imaginative and thematically complex plots anyway. Still, I'm with those who get tired of the repetitiveness.

I'm a fan of Harry Potter as well and while I agree that the series matures, I wouldn't say it's the deepest series I've ever read. His Dark Materials or Lord of the Rings would beat Potter for maturity as far as themes go. Potter is fun, however, because the writing style is easy and humorous, and the characters are vivid and "alive." Indeed, for character depth and variation. Potter is better than LotR or HDM.