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PDL
7th December 2005, 2:03 AM
alright, currently I'm training a Fire type (not too important on who exactly) All I can tell you is that it's mostly a physical sweeper

right now, it currently has the following moveset

Rockslide
Amnesia
Earthquake
Ember

anyway, should I teach the fire pokemon Flamethrower? or should I use Overheat?

Pros with Flamethrower
- most reliable in terms of PP, Accuracy and Power

Cons for Flamethrower
- I have it on nearly every other firetype I've trained (except for Blaziken and Torkoal)

Pros for Overheat
- really high attack power
- never been used before

Cons for Overheat
- only 5 PP
- only 90 accuracy (not a huge problem really)
- nasty side effect of lowering Special attack
- never been used before

Zootster
7th December 2005, 2:08 AM
alright, currently I'm training a Fire type (not too important on who exactly) All I can tell you is that it's mostly a physical sweeper

Telling us what Pokemon it is, is the most important part :/. No one cane give a good suggestion if they don't now what their suggestion is for....

Carpetted!
7th December 2005, 2:15 AM
Looks like a camerupt/ magcargo to me. Stick with overheat, it's WAY strong the 1st time, then only a bit weaker than flamethrower the second time.

Kveran
7th December 2005, 2:56 AM
Depends what you want to do. Overheat is great if you have a low Special Attack and think you'll only need it for two turns, since with a White Herb that's all it's really good for.

Carpetted!
7th December 2005, 3:18 AM
White smoke doesn't stop the decrease :/
And I laugh at the idiot who uses white herb just to stop the overheat decrease.

Brute Root
11th December 2005, 4:15 AM
I still think Flamethrower, cause yeah, Overheat may be really strong the first time but as ya'll know it gets weaker after every turn.

shadowz
12th December 2005, 7:34 PM
Flamethrower because Overheat has more cons than pros.

Fluorescent Adolescent
12th December 2005, 7:40 PM
alright, currently I'm training a Fire type (not too important on who exactly) All I can tell you is that it's mostly a physical sweeper

right now, it currently has the following moveset

Rockslide
Amnesia
Earthquake
Ember

anyway, should I teach the fire pokemon Flamethrower? or should I use Overheat?

Pros with Flamethrower
- most reliable in terms of PP, Accuracy and Power

Cons for Flamethrower
- I have it on nearly every other firetype I've trained (except for Blaziken and Torkoal)

Pros for Overheat
- really high attack power
- never been used before

Cons for Overheat
- only 5 PP
- only 90 accuracy (not a huge problem really)
- nasty side effect of lowering Special attack
- never been used before

Overheat or preferable Fire Blast IMO. Its a physical sweeper so it won't last long anyway so power>Accuracy IMO.

Fireboy
13th December 2005, 2:30 AM
u should get over heat because its a sweeper and even tho it gets weaker ever turn u have other strong attacks to use because even if over heat gets weaker the weaker ones can still one hitter quiter any ice bug or grass pkmn

Sgtwoodsy
13th December 2005, 6:16 AM
Go with Overheat. You might take out an all important Pokemon with Overheat, rather than do plenty of damage, but not Ko it.

~Sgtwoodsy~

aipomkong
13th December 2005, 9:29 AM
fire blast

Mudkip of DVN
11th January 2006, 11:40 PM
Fire Blast. (Hehe... don't you love it when a multiple of smart people give you the same answer? Obviously, that means GO WITH WHAT THE SMART PEOPLE SAY *Points to *Ryan* and Omastar [Not Omestar Omostar or even Omastir] LOL!)

b-i-gaskme
11th January 2006, 11:59 PM
in the end you decide really. But remember, in a crucial battle, a STAB Overheat (210 base) is stronger than non-stab Self Destruct, and even when its not effective, its still a force to be reckoned with, and I assure you, in the long run you will notice its power and versatility. Go with White Herb as well.


And I laugh at the idiot who uses white herb just to stop the overheat decrease.

although I don't like White Herb, I laugh at YOU. For what else is it good for? Oh la la, a zigzagoon uses growl, and your white herb is waste. If you dislike White Herb PDL, you can always go with Leftovers or something.

Here is the maths arguement:

Flamethrower= 142.5 Base (STABBED)
Fire Blast= 180 Base (STABBED)
Over Heat= 210 Base (STABBED)

first turn + second turn
FT= 285 base
FB= 360 base
Overheat= 315 base (even after stat cut)

therefore flamethrower<overheat<fireblast

so go with fire blast (optimum) and overheat second if you want lasting sweeper power or the option: overheat, which can deliver a fatal blow at the crucial moment (which is why its my Choice Band Blaziken's secret weapon, which few anticipate on a choice band physical sweeper).

EDIT: Come to think of it, Fire Blast is all you need, for most mixed sweepers sway towards the physical stat and therefore an earthquake may still be as strong as Overheat, and there are few cases where your on your last pokemon and your opponent has only one however you are on low health, doesn't happen often at all.

DeoxysTrainer
12th January 2006, 12:02 AM
Flamethrower,thats it

ZNtelle
12th January 2006, 12:28 AM
All you need to do if you're so afraid of the stat decrease is to switch your Pokemon.

Brown Bomber
12th January 2006, 1:28 AM
White smoke doesn't stop the decrease :/
And I laugh at the idiot who uses white herb just to stop the overheat decrease.

lol serebii used it

Anyway, just to be a jackass, I'll recommend Fire Blast. : )

Unless it's a CBer, then use Overheat since CBers will switch in and out anyway.

Carpetted!
12th January 2006, 1:30 AM
although I don't like White Herb, I laugh at YOU. For what else is it good for? Oh la la, a zigzagoon uses growl, and your white herb is waste. If you dislike White Herb PDL, you can always go with Leftovers or something.
Er, no. Don't use it for anything. :rolleyes:

Flamethrower= 142.5 Base (STABBED)
Fire Blast= 180 Base (STABBED)
Over Heat= 210 Base (STABBED)

first turn + second turn
FT= 285 base
FB= 360 base
Overheat= 315 base (even after stat cut)

therefore flamethrower<overheat<fireblast

so go with fire blast (optimum) and overheat second if you want lasting sweeper power or the option: overheat, which can deliver a fatal blow at the crucial moment (which is why its my Choice Band Blaziken's secret weapon, which few anticipate on a choice band physical sweeper).
Accuracy counts. >_>

lol serebii used it
That's pokemon of the week for you. I like the idea and all, but it doesn't work. :)

Brown Bomber
12th January 2006, 2:58 AM
Uh, I was being sarcastic, White Herb is a **** item unless it's used in tandem with Curse Umbreon.

Carpetted!
12th January 2006, 3:45 AM
I knew you were. o_-

PDL
12th January 2006, 4:06 AM
are you people are still talking about my camerupt? that horse (er... camel) left the stable ages ago... I gave it overheat...

oh well, since white herb dissappears after one use, I decided to put white herb on Camerupt for ordemental purposes only (meaning that camerupt isn't holding it when in actual battles)

lame isn't it?

OgLoc187
12th January 2006, 8:55 PM
alright, currently I'm training a Fire type (not too important on who exactly) All I can tell you is that it's mostly a physical sweeper

right now, it currently has the following moveset

Rockslide
Amnesia
Earthquake
Ember

anyway, should I teach the fire pokemon Flamethrower? or should I use Overheat?

Pros with Flamethrower
- most reliable in terms of PP, Accuracy and Power

Cons for Flamethrower
- I have it on nearly every other firetype I've trained (except for Blaziken and Torkoal)

Pros for Overheat
- really high attack power
- never been used before

Cons for Overheat
- only 5 PP
- only 90 accuracy (not a huge problem really)
- nasty side effect of lowering Special attack
- never been used beforeIf you have a white herb use it but if you don't get one,it would help you with overheat since it will recovger any lowered stat.And one more thing raise the PP to the max.

b-i-gaskme
12th January 2006, 10:14 PM
which makes it 8. There is a thread almost the same as this, and I think you should do the same, go with Fire Blast

Alfonso
12th January 2006, 10:17 PM
If you have a white herb use it but if you don't get one,it would help you with overheat since it will recovger any lowered stat.And one more thing raise the PP to the max.

White Herb sucks. It's also rare.

You use Overheat, White Herb heals, you regain stats, and that's it.

You're better off sticking with switching out to regain stat decreases.

aipomkong
12th January 2006, 10:20 PM
why was this even bumped?

Mudkip of DVN
13th January 2006, 1:17 AM
*Raises hand*

TEACHER: Yes

STUDENT: Why would you want to raise the PP of a move you would only want to use once or twice?

TEACHER: That's a very good question. Your impossible homework is to find out why.