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josh09
7th December 2005, 7:17 PM
I cant decide which pokemon to use. i dont want you to make me a team, i just have a couple of guys and i'd like if you help me decide. if you'd like to suggest diffrant moves state so.

Swampert@leftovers

Ice beam
Muddy water
Earthquake
Brick break( thinking of counter)

He's my starter. No contest

Dragonite@leftovers

Fly( mabye flamethrower)
Outrage( mabye dragonclaw)
Thunderbolt
Earthquake(mabye brick break)

Same with swampert.

__________
Heracross@??

Brick Break
Megahorn
Rock slide
Swords dance

VS
Butterfree@leftovers

Aerial ace
Silver wind
psycic
Giga drain

i cant choose between these two bugs. heracross has always been promising. but butterfree has proven his worth. which one?!
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Arcanine@leftovers

Extremespeed
Fire blast
Crunch
Sunny day

VS

Camerupt@Chesto berry
Fissure
Flamthrower
earthquake
Rest
well you get the picture
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Shiftry@miricleseed Vs

Swagger
Giga drain
Shadow ball
Extrasensory(mabye leechseed)

VS

Ludicolo@???
Dive
Thunderpunch (mabye ice punch)
Toxic( mabye leech seed)
Raindance

Tough choice For me. shiftry works as a exellent psycic killer, but the look on my friends face when ludicolo kills half his team has made me think otherwise.
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Aerodactyl@ leftovers

Aerial ace
Ancient power(mabye rockslide)
earthquake
Double edge(mabye fireblast)

VS

Skamory@???
drill peck
Steel wing
roar
Spikes

i cant choose. kinda the same deal as heracross and butterfree. aerodactyl has been great in the past, but skarmory proved himself at the battle frontier.
___________
If neither of the choices suit you i have acess to almost anything.
if you suggest a diffrent moveset please state choice first.

thanks
-Josh-

Kveran
7th December 2005, 7:40 PM
SWAMPERT @ Leftovers
Surf
Ice Beam
Brick Break
Earthquake

This is the set I've always used for Swampert. It's got its problems and I won't deny it (redundancy between Earthquake and Surf, for example) but it gives you tons of type coverage.

DRAGONITE @ Leftovers
Dragon Dance
Thunderbolt
Fly/Aerial Ace/HP (Flying)
Dragon Claw/Return

DRAGONITE @ Choice Band
Earthquake
Fly/Aerial Ace/HP (Flying
Dragon Claw
Return

Dragonite is hugely versatile. You can do so much with this guy. Obviously Fly is for in-game use only. I've put in two sample sets here, but add or subtract moves as wished.

HERACROSS @ Leftovers
Brick Break/Substitute
Rock Slide/Focus Punch
Megahorn
Earthquake/Rock Slide

Heracross beats the tar out of Butterfree- and most other Pokemon. No contest.

ARCANINE @ Leftovers/White Herb (Intimidate)
Extremespeed
Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Overheat
Body Slam/Return
HP (Grass)/Howl

Obviously you would use Overheat in conjunction with the White Herb. I love Arcanine. He hits fast and hard. Camerupt has that nasty double weakness.
LUDICOLO @ Shell Bell/Leftovers
Surf
Rain Dance
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt/Giga Drain/Leech Seed

Another versatile one. You can do a whole lot with Ludicolo.

SKARMORY @ Leftovers/Chesto Berry
Spikes
Whirlwind/Roar
Drill Peck
Rest/Toxic

Tough choice, but you can have your Dragonite mock Aerodactyl if you want Aero. There's really very few mimics of a Skarmory. The only time that I'd advocate using Aerodactyl over Skarmory is if you know that nobody's going to try to stall you out. Skarmory is patient, but Aerodactyl runs in and screams "You're goin' down!"

chaos952
7th December 2005, 8:12 PM
List natures, then I'll help.

josh09
7th December 2005, 8:24 PM
List natures, then I'll help.

Swampert i think has rash
dragonite has lonely
butterfree has impish
i think heracross has bashful
arcanine i belive has rash
camerupt has serious
shiftry has mild
ludicolo has relaxed
aerodactyl has lonely
skarmory has bashful

kyogre100
7th December 2005, 10:44 PM
I go with Kveran's selection except on Dragonite use aerial ace over fly and HP it is extremely accurate and does the same damage as fly. Dragon Dance increase spead/attack. Then Tbolt and Dragon Claw. So.....................
Dragon Dance
Thunderbolt
Dragon Claw
Aerial Ace

Zootster
7th December 2005, 11:20 PM
I cant decide which pokemon to use. i dont want you to make me a team, i just have a couple of guys and i'd like if you help me decide. if you'd like to suggest diffrant moves state so.

Swampert@leftovers

Ice beam
Curse
Earthquake
Rest

He's my starter. No contest

Dragonite@leftovers

Substitute
Focus Punch
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam

Same with swampert.

__________
Heracross@Leftovers

Brick Break
Megahorn
Rock slide
Swords dance

I like it. Don't use Butterfree
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Arcanine@leftovers

Extremespeed
Fire blast/Overheat
Howl
Aerial Ace/HP:Fighting

Go with Arcanine

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Ludicolo@Leftovers
Seismic Toss
Ice Beam
leech Seed
Synthesis

Shitry is good as a Sunny Beamer, but Exeggutor > Shiftry so don't use Shiftry. And Ludicolo is a pretty good sponge.
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Aerodactyl@ Choice Band

Aerial ace
Rock Slide
earthquake
Double edge

VS

Skamory@Leftovers
drill peck
Rest
roar
Spikes

Aero is a good CBer and Skarm is an awesome wall. I'd personally go with Skarmory
___________
If neither of the choices suit you i have acess to almost anything.
if you suggest a diffrent moveset please state choice first.

thanks
-Josh-
Comments in Bold

Tazzler
8th December 2005, 12:46 AM
Swampert i think has brave
dragonite has lonely/rash
butterfree has timid
i think heracross has adamant
arcanine i belive has lonely
camerupt has brave
shiftry has mild
ludicolo has modest/calm
aerodactyl has adamant/jolly
skarmory has impish
natures fixed

S:C
8th December 2005, 2:08 AM
Dragon Dance
Thunderbolt
Dragon Claw
Aerial Ace
Don't use this set if it were the last thing you did.

1. FlameClaw or BoltBeam will work, but some partial combo of the two will not.
2. Aerial Ace sucks on Dragonite, and it's not worth DDing up for one move.

chaos952
8th December 2005, 2:12 AM
Swampert i think has Brave
dragonite has Mild
butterfree has Timid
i think heracross has Adamant
arcanine i belive has Naughty
camerupt has Brave
shiftry has Jolly
ludicolo has Calm
aerodactyl has Jolly
skarmory has Impish

And...


I cant decide which pokemon to use. i dont want you to make me a team, i just have a couple of guys and i'd like if you help me decide. if you'd like to suggest diffrant moves state so.

Swampert@leftovers

Ice beam
Curse
Earthquake
Rest/Surf

He's my starter. No contest

Dragonite@leftovers
Substitute
Focus Punch
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam

Another option is to use Flamethrower and Dragon Claw over Ice Beam and Thunderbolt.

Same with swampert.

__________
Heracross@??

Brick Break
Megahorn
Rock slide
Swords dance

VS
Butterfree@leftovers

Sleep Powder
Stun Spore
psycic
Substitute

i cant choose between these two bugs. heracross has always been promising. but butterfree has proven his worth. which one?!

Heracross. No questions about it. Your Heracross set is fine.
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Arcanine@leftovers

Extremespeed
Howl
Iron Tail
Flamethrower

VS

Camerupt@Choice Band
Rock Slide
Flamthrower
earthquake
Explosion

well you get the picture

I'd prefer Arcanine.
______________
Shiftry@Choice Band Vs

Explosion
Quick Attack
Shadow ball
Brick Break

VS

Ludicolo@Leftovers
Surf
Ice Beam
Leech Seed
Raindance

He'd better have Swift Swim.

Tough choice For me. shiftry works as a exellent psycic killer, but the look on my friends face when ludicolo kills half his team has made me think otherwise.

Ludicolo is awesome.
____________
Aerodactyl@ leftovers

Aerial ace
Rock Slide
earthquake
Double edge

VS

Skamory@???
drill peck
Rest
roar
Spikes

i cant choose. kinda the same deal as heracross and butterfree. aerodactyl has been great in the past, but skarmory proved himself at the battle frontier.

Skarmory. You need some type of wall anyways...
___________
If neither of the choices suit you i have acess to almost anything.
if you suggest a diffrent moveset please state choice first.

thanks
-Josh-

10charlimit

josh09
8th December 2005, 4:31 PM
First of all i cannot teach my swampert curse, id have to breed it, and it would not be my starter.

second ive decided to take out thunderbolt for ice beam, taking out outrage for dragon claw,im taking out earthquake for thunder, and adding brick break for dragonite.

Heracross will not change, and im scrapping butterfree.

arcanine will stay, he will have fire blast extremespeed aerial ace and iron tail

i have decided to keep both skarmory and aero, beacause im taking out ludicolo and shiftry.

but these decisions are not final, if you guys can convince me to keep ludicolo or shiftry i may reconsider.

-Josh-

chaos952
8th December 2005, 5:14 PM
A Swampert without Curse is not a Swampert.

And way to mess up your Dragonite. :rolleyes:

PUrEHearT
8th December 2005, 8:30 PM
what the point of us rating if you wont use them???

swampert without curse makes Yoshi cry....
Dragonite with out boltbeam or flameclaw also makes Yoshi cry
Using Butterfree makes Yoshi cry too

josh09
8th December 2005, 9:45 PM
what the point of us rating if you wont use them???

swampert without curse makes Yoshi cry....
Dragonite with out boltbeam or flameclaw also makes Yoshi cry
Using Butterfree makes Yoshi cry too


cry me a river
if i breed a mudkip just for curse, i would have to scrap my starter. I unlike you people take pride in using the guy i started with. the point of rating is to help me decide who to use and what in the **** is BoltBeam?


-Josh-

Fluorescent Adolescent
8th December 2005, 9:51 PM
Boltbeam=Thunderbolt and Ice Beam on one pokemons moveset. They therefore become known as a boltbeamer.

chaos952
8th December 2005, 10:24 PM
Way to take pride in a bit of data. :rolleyes:

Oh, and BoltBeam covers everything except Magneton and Lanturn.

Edit: Josh, you have it all wrong. The point of rating is to fix (and somewhat suggest) movesets, natures, and EVs (if the person is EV training). Choosing Pokemon is totally dependant upon you.

_Rem!x_
8th December 2005, 10:45 PM
Butterfree has not-so-good stats, but if you give it a good nature (f.i. jolly) and good training/EVs (f.i. in speed) and maybe a good moveset (f.i. sleep powder) than with its ability, compound eyes, it can put an opponet to sleep most of the time (around 100%!). That, my friend, is good in in-game.

But then again it has bad stats, but still

josh09
8th December 2005, 11:01 PM
Edit: Josh, you have it all wrong. The point of rating is to fix (and somewhat suggest) movesets, natures, and EVs (if the person is EV training). Choosing Pokemon is totally dependant upon you.

the reason i am asking for help on choosing is because i have gone through i dont know how many teams i dont know and losing with alot of them.

the first was

;260; ;028; ;219; a crappy ;272; ;333; ;026;

then i replaced macargo with camerupt.
then i replaced swablu with flgon
then i replaced sandslash with pigeot
then i replaced that god awful ludicolo with shiftry
then i replaced flygon with dragonite
then i replaced raichu with butterfree

then i decided to make several teams which lead me to train
dusclops, skarmory, snorlax , blastoise, another ludicolo, heracross, septile, blazikin, gengar, alakazam, glalie, arcanine, polywrath,tyranitar and aerodactyl the list goes on. but the fact of the matter was, i still lost:(

so then a kid at camp told me about serebii, so i decided to give it a shot, and here i am.

thats why i want you to help me choose. i cant make a half decent team for my life.

-Josh-

charizard461
15th December 2005, 9:35 PM
who would keep a swablu to use. i only used to get altaria in the e4

aipomkong
15th December 2005, 10:53 PM
way hay! we have a bumped thread