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Jigsaw
13th December 2005, 4:48 AM
Since the release of emerald may had new clothes. Maybe if they go to a new region may will change her clothes.

Chris
13th December 2005, 4:57 AM
The girl from Emerald isn't Haruka. >_> Just like how the girl from Crystal isn't Marina. They look similar, but aren't entirely the same character.

Jigsaw
13th December 2005, 4:58 AM
The're pretty much the same -_-;;. Based on each other, etc.

CyberCubed
13th December 2005, 5:01 AM
The girl from Emerald isn't Haruka. >_> Just like how the girl from Crystal isn't Marina. They look similar, but aren't entirely the same character.

Oh please Ed, they're the same characters. :/

It's just that in the games your character has no personality whatsoever, and in the anime the writers decided to give them one.

Anyway, I would like to see May wear her Emerald outfit in the anime someday. Maybe not for a whole region, but just for a few episodes or so. From what I can tell her top is even tighter on her chest than her current outfit, if that's even possible. The animators seem to give a great deal of attention to her assets.

Although I am a bit sad that she loses the skirt, something that goes well with her cute, innocent schoolgirl persona. :(

Chris
13th December 2005, 9:05 AM
Oh please Ed, they're the same characters. :/

It's just that in the games your character has no personality whatsoever, and in the anime the writers decided to give them one.
Do remember that the female trainer DOES have a personality of her own when you play as a male. ;) Then you have the manga based off the game, developing that said character.

Not to mention, Marina's outfit's differently colored from Crystal.

They're BASED off the game characters. They're not the same, however. This is going into the same damn logic as saying "lolz ash r red an gary is green!!!!1"

Kanadian Kyuubi
13th December 2005, 12:36 PM
So, on Pokemon Emerald, my rival is named May, and in the Japanese version she is named Hakura and they both match up with their anime counterparts. They didn't change Brock and Misty very much...and they are gym leaders (well, they might not be now but....).

Yamato-san
13th December 2005, 1:14 PM
are you kidding? They didn't change Takeshi and Kasumi? Please.... maybe at first, they resembled their game counterparts, Takeshi being very stern and serious, and Kasumi being something of a tomboy, but given a bit of time of being main characters..... you all know the story. I wouldn't exactly consider such a thing "character-development" neither, more like "the complete butchering of a character until it's the anime's own creation taking on the avatar of the famous opponents in the games that everyone loves" (notice that hardly a trace of their original game character personalities remained once Takeshi went to being a girl-crazy Pokemon breeder and Kasumi became motherly).

stu770
13th December 2005, 5:42 PM
it is the same person coz if your the boy your rival is called may

Rex Kamex
13th December 2005, 11:16 PM
it is the same person coz if your the boy your rival is called may

But when you play as a boy then May will also be the daughter of Professor Birch while in the anime she is the daughter of Norman.

To answer the question though, I doubt May will change her clothes because if she would change them she would've done it already in the Battle Fronteir saga.

Kamex
13th December 2005, 11:52 PM
To answer the question though, I doubt May will change her clothes because if she would change them she would've done it already in the Battle Fronteir saga.
They probably thought the Battle Frontier saga wasn't quite important enough for a change of clothes. They're waiting for a new region, maybe even a new series again? O_o

I feel like I'm the only one that's doubting May will continue to travel with Ash to the next region. :/ I mean come on, she was nice to have around, but I for one want someone new to join the ranks and replace her (and Max, too, I guess). She seemed like someone who'd stay in Hoenn, participating in its Pokemon Contests (I don't know if these contests are exclusive to Hoenn, but they should be). I'm not 100% sure they'll give May the boot, but I'm pretty confident at this point. :P

Amadeus
14th December 2005, 12:15 AM
In D1@mond and P3@rl, they only wear their underwear. For realz.

Bah. Anyway, I figure the game will feature a different protagonist again. I mean, the guy in Gold/Silver does look like the first one, but he was different still. I figure it'd be at least that much different.

Geki
14th December 2005, 12:56 AM
May should keep the same clothes as always, the original Hoenn clothes.

Faerie
14th December 2005, 1:17 AM
I think that Haruka and Masato will go away eventually. At least for a little while, then come back and leave again, like Kasumi. Some of us are getting a little bored of them. >__>

But if they stay, they're bound to get new clothes eventually. That's really the style of the anime artists: have the characters change clothes every three years or so. xD

CyberCubed
14th December 2005, 2:16 AM
May won't go away because she's not a supporting character, she's the star of the series.

It's the same reason why they'll never get rid of Ash and Pikachu, they're the stars and the main heroes. She's the second most important character in the series right after Ash/Pika. Ash and May will be here forever unless they decide to start totally fresh with a new series.

As for Misty, it looks like her and Tracey were written out permanantly. Don't expect to see either of them as anything more than a recurring character. In fact, I'm still surprised that some people actually believe that they will return to the main cast someday.

Jigsaw
14th December 2005, 6:33 AM
I said new region.

Battle frontier is happening in kanto in the anime, so it isn't a new region.

So they wouldn't change her clothes in the battle frontier since it isn't a new region.

Raziel
14th December 2005, 7:41 AM
May won't go away because she's not a supporting character, she's the star of the series.

It's the same reason why they'll never get rid of Ash and Pikachu, they're the stars and the main heroes. She's the second most important character in the series right after Ash/Pika. Ash and May will be here forever unless they decide to start totally fresh with a new series.

Who says May can't be "replaced" by another star?

IMO, May will be around for a while, but she can be replaced by another girl getting a star role in the next regions.

And to answer the topic: No. I doubt any of the characters will change their clothes for the next region, since May and Max are still fresh and Ash and Brock just got their new clothes relatively not long ago. However, I admit it would be interesting to see May in Emerald clothes.

CyberCubed
14th December 2005, 3:59 PM
Who says May can't be "replaced" by another star?

Because there's no point? Some people here think that writers get rid of characters just for the hell of it. The writers love May, look at how much screentime she gets. She's probably their favorite character to write.

So the writers are potentially going to remove one of the most popular characters of the show, one of the reasons AG was a success, just to bring in a new character? I doubt it.

Writers don't ditch characters for absolutely no reason at all, and I feel sorry for the people who honestly believe this. Misty and Brock and Tracey were removed for a reason. Brock because of 4kids, Tracey because his character bombed completely with kids, and Misty because they ran her character into the ground. As for May, from a writing perspective, what is the point? The writers found their male and female stars of the show (Ash/May), and it's a ridiculous concept to think that either would be replaced. (Unless of course we get a brand new series that cleans the slate completely and takes place in a different universe)

Kamex
15th December 2005, 12:02 AM
Because there's no point? Some people here think that writers get rid of characters just for the hell of it. The writers love May, look at how much screentime she gets. She's probably their favorite character to write.
But can they keep it up? She may seem great now, but I doubt interest in her will stay strong for long.


So the writers are potentially going to remove one of the most popular characters of the show, one of the reasons AG was a success, just to bring in a new character? I doubt it.
Why not? It's all about keeping things fresh, right? >_>


Writers don't ditch characters for absolutely no reason at all, and I feel sorry for the people who honestly believe this. Misty and Brock and Tracey were removed for a reason. Brock because of 4kids, Tracey because his character bombed completely with kids, and Misty because they ran her character into the ground. As for May, from a writing perspective, what is the point? The writers found their male and female stars of the show (Ash/May), and it's a ridiculous concept to think that either would be replaced.
I really don't think of May's importance in the show at the same level as Ash's. She's temporarily important, sure, but I just don't see how the writers can keep someone strong in Pokemon Contests. The fans would get bored of it after awhile, so keeping her doing the same thing for another season is risky. It might work out, but it could just as easily be suicide.


(Unless of course we get a brand new series that cleans the slate completely and takes place in a different universe)
Maybe that's what I'm hoping for. It's certainly possible, with the new 4th generation of Pokemon that's become highly anticipated over the years. Anyway, I think whether May will stick around boils down to whether they can keep her new and interesting. But I'm rather doubtful now.

Geki
15th December 2005, 12:29 AM
It would be awesome if Ash and May traveled to the Diamond and Pearl region together. Just them, no Max or Brock. And maybe the male hero from the games could be the new Brock.

CyberCubed
15th December 2005, 12:45 AM
But can they keep it up? She may seem great now, but I doubt interest in her will stay strong for long.

Why not? The writers are constantly doing new things with her. Not to mention look at Ash. He's been the main hero for 9 seasons and they've given him character development to continue to keep him interesting.


Why not? It's all about keeping things fresh, right? >_>

So in other words, getting rid of old characters and thus destroying all that build-up is a good excuse to "keep things fresh?" They already do that with new Pokemon teams every region. We've seen Ash do Gyms for 9 freakin' years, it's not like they've changed his quest and made it fresh.


I really don't think of May's importance in the show at the same level as Ash's.

That's why I said she's the second most important character in the show. Ash is still the hero, but May co-stars the show with him.


She's temporarily important, sure, but I just don't see how the writers can keep someone strong in Pokemon Contests. The fans would get bored of it after awhile, so keeping her doing the same thing for another season is risky.

Huh? How is this different from Ash doing Gyms every region? Lots of people are bored of Ash going on a little token collection every region, but have they changed that? Ash has 28 badges at the end of Hoenn, and the writers see no problem with that. That being said, who said that May will only be doing contests? Both her and Ash can be given an extensive sidequest as well.


It might work out, but it could just as easily be suicide.

Which is why Ash has been doing the exact same thing since the show started, yea. :/


Anyway, I think whether May will stick around boils down to whether they can keep her new and interesting. But I'm rather doubtful now.

Um, they have kept hew new and interesting. Ash and May are the heroes, they co-star AG together. If Ash hasn't gotten boring after 9 seasons of doing the same thing, why would May? Why would they get rid of a character they devoted nearly 50% of AG to? A character who is there to help increase the female demographic of Pokemon, she's there to give girls a heroine to look up to and aspire to be. Same way Ash is there for the boys. Ash and May are heroes in the games, thus they're heroes in the show. The writers aren't going to get rid of the main heroes, especially since neither one has achieved their goal.

Arcanine Master
15th December 2005, 6:36 AM
I wouln't care if they changed the clothes of the main chracters, as long as theri personality and who they are stays the same

Rex Kamex
15th December 2005, 11:34 PM
Um, they have kept hew new and interesting. Ash and May are the heroes, they co-star AG together. If Ash hasn't gotten boring after 9 seasons of doing the same thing, why would May? Why would they get rid of a character they devoted nearly 50% of AG to? A character who is there to help increase the female demographic of Pokemon, she's there to give girls a heroine to look up to and aspire to be. Same way Ash is there for the boys. Ash and May are heroes in the games, thus they're heroes in the show. The writers aren't going to get rid of the main heroes, especially since neither one has achieved their goal.

And they never will at their rate. (Sorry, I couldn't resist that line!)


I said new region.

Battle frontier is happening in kanto in the anime, so it isn't a new region.

So they wouldn't change her clothes in the battle frontier since it isn't a new region.

But the Battle Fronteir is promoted by Emerald, in which the main girl characters clothes were changed. So it would be fitting for May to change her clothes in that saga, which she didn't.

Light-Dragon_Ryu
15th December 2005, 11:51 PM
Does anyone notice that green makes Ruby and Sapphire look incredibly pale?

Rex Kamex
16th December 2005, 12:09 AM
Does anyone notice that green makes Ruby and Sapphire look incredibly pale?

But this is Emerald. Emerald has the green.

Wait... do you mean the Ruby and Sapphire games, or the people in Special?

Kamex
16th December 2005, 12:11 AM
Why not? The writers are constantly doing new things with her. Not to mention look at Ash. He's been the main hero for 9 seasons and they've given him character development to continue to keep him interesting.
I suppose. But he's the main main character, and at this point people are used to following him around.


So in other words, getting rid of old characters and thus destroying all that build-up is a good excuse to "keep things fresh?" They already do that with new Pokemon teams every region. We've seen Ash do Gyms for 9 freakin' years, it's not like they've changed his quest and made it fresh.
But his quest is what the show is mainly based around. As long as they find new ways to change this quest but keep it in tact, it'll be fine (although I would like some MAJOR changes at this point). But anyway, I don't think Contests are exciting enough to take out of Hoenn.


That's why I said she's the second most important character in the show. Ash is still the hero, but May co-stars the show with him.
Well... I still feel like you're putting her at a slightly high level. :/ But I guess I can see how she co-stars Advanced Generation.


Huh? How is this different from Ash doing Gyms every region? Lots of people are bored of Ash going on a little token collection every region, but have they changed that? Ash has 28 badges at the end of Hoenn, and the writers see no problem with that.
Are you telling me you enjoy Contests just as much as Gyms? IMO, Contests were a nice change of events for Advanced Generation, but I enjoy and am used to gym battles much more than contests.


That being said, who said that May will only be doing contests? Both her and Ash can be given an extensive sidequest as well.
I dunno. I never pictured May doing anything but contests. She chose to be a Co-ordinator, just like Ash chose to remain training until he becomes a Pokemon Master. In order to continue this, they'd have to keep on going with the Contests, so it depends on whether you can enjoy those for more seasons.


Which is why Ash has been doing the exact same thing since the show started, yea. :/
But it hasn't bored you that much, has it?


Um, they have kept hew new and interesting. Ash and May are the heroes, they co-star AG together. If Ash hasn't gotten boring after 9 seasons of doing the same thing, why would May? Why would they get rid of a character they devoted nearly 50% of AG to? A character who is there to help increase the female demographic of Pokemon, she's there to give girls a heroine to look up to and aspire to be. Same way Ash is there for the boys. Ash and May are heroes in the games, thus they're heroes in the show. The writers aren't going to get rid of the main heroes, especially since neither one has achieved their goal.
Well, nevertheless, I saw May as a temporary character. If the writers really planned on keeping her for a long time, they sure fooled me. >_>

CyberCubed
16th December 2005, 12:32 AM
I suppose. But he's the main main character, and at this point people are used to following him around.

And since Pokemon Advance started, people are used to following Ash and May around. ;)


But his quest is what the show is mainly based around. As long as they find new ways to change this quest but keep it in tact, it'll be fine (although I would like some MAJOR changes at this point). But anyway, I don't think Contests are exciting enough to take out of Hoenn.

Erm...

The contests DO continue out of Hoenn. There are Contests in Kanto now as well.


Well... I still feel like you're putting her at a slightly high level. :/ But I guess I can see how she co-stars Advanced Generation.

She's more important than any other character on the show aside from Ash/Pikachu. None of the other characters in the group (Misty/Brock/Max/Tracey) have had an entire story arc devoted to them as well as entire fillers continually devoted to them, and that co-starred the show with Ash. She is the main heroine, just like she is in the games, and much like Ash is the main hero, the others are not.


Are you telling me you enjoy Contests just as much as Gyms? IMO, Contests were a nice change of events for Advanced Generation, but I enjoy and am used to gym battles much more than contests.

Nearly all of May's contests have been far better written, far more exciting and had much more character development than most of Ash's Hoenn Gym battles. With the exception of the lousy Dusclops Vs. Skitty Contest, all the others ones in AG were very good. The coordinators that May faces are also some of the best one-shot characters on the show, they all have actual motives, real personalities, and seem to hail back to the quality of the grand old Kanto one-shots from the 1st season.


I dunno. I never pictured May doing anything but contests. She chose to be a Co-ordinator, just like Ash chose to remain training until he becomes a Pokemon Master.

Ash is doing something other than Gyms once Hoenn ends, there's no reason a coordinator has to be limited to contests either. I can see the writers (or Gamefreaks for that matter) expanding what coordinators do in the games/show aside from contests.


In order to continue this, they'd have to keep on going with the Contests, so it depends on whether you can enjoy those for more seasons.

People sat through Ash doing Gyms for 9 years and over 400+ episodes. I'm sure people can sit through May doing contests for more than a few seasons.


But it hasn't bored you that much, has it?

No, not really.


Well, nevertheless, I saw May as a temporary character. If the writers really planned on keeping her for a long time, they sure fooled me. >_>

I really don't understand how you could see May as a temporary character to begin with. Right from her first episode you could see that they were mirroring how Ash started out back in the very first episode. They were having May start out the same way Ash did, not to mention the insane amount of episodes and story arcs devoted to her. How could she be a temporary character when they've given so much attention to her? When Ash has taken her under his wing to help train and mentor? For example Tracey is easy to see as a replacement character, since when we first met him the only thing he wanted to do was meet Oak. It was obvious he wanted to stay there. There's a reason why Ash and May get all the screentime in AG, while Max and Brock get a single filler episode once in a blue moon.

May wants to travel and see the world, she has the same kind of energetic personality that Ash does. She's going to continue to jump at the chance to go to new regions, much like Ash does to continue his goal.

I think it's pretty obvious that May is as intergal to the series as Ash is, they writers have found their male and female lead that young boys and girls respectively can watch and aspire to be.

They are the main heroes, and just like Ash is never going to get ditched, the chances of May going are very slim as well. The supporting characters in this show (Misty, Brock, Tracey, Max) are expendable. They come and go. The main heroes (Ash and May) are here for the foreseeable future, they are the show. The entirety of AG revolves around the two. Big difference.

Kamex
17th December 2005, 1:20 AM
Erm...

The contests DO continue out of Hoenn. There are Contests in Kanto now as well.
Crap... I had a feeling that was so, but I never knew for sure. o_o


She's more important than any other character on the show aside from Ash/Pikachu. None of the other characters in the group (Misty/Brock/Max/Tracey) have had an entire story arc devoted to them as well as entire fillers continually devoted to them, and that co-starred the show with Ash. She is the main heroine, just like she is in the games, and much like Ash is the main hero, the others are not.
Yes, but regardless, I thought she'd remain such a main character in Hoenn alone (no pun intended).


Nearly all of May's contests have been far better written, far more exciting and had much more character development than most of Ash's Hoenn Gym battles. With the exception of the lousy Dusclops Vs. Skitty Contest, all the others ones in AG were very good. The coordinators that May faces are also some of the best one-shot characters on the show, they all have actual motives, real personalities, and seem to hail back to the quality of the grand old Kanto one-shots from the 1st season.
I agree. But the general idea of Contests still seem more inferior to Gym battles, or do you disagree there?


Ash is doing something other than Gyms once Hoenn ends, there's no reason a coordinator has to be limited to contests either. I can see the writers (or Gamefreaks for that matter) expanding what coordinators do in the games/show aside from contests.
Meh... I guess. But I'm not completely convinced they will, yet.


People sat through Ash doing Gyms for 9 years and over 400+ episodes. I'm sure people can sit through May doing contests for more than a few seasons.
Don't know about me. But the way you're upholding them, maybe the writers really do have more in store for Contests.


I really don't understand how you could see May as a temporary character to begin with. Right from her first episode you could see that they were mirroring how Ash started out back in the very first episode. They were having May start out the same way Ash did, not to mention the insane amount of episodes and story arcs devoted to her. How could she be a temporary character when they've given so much attention to her? When Ash has taken her under his wing to help train and mentor? For example Tracey is easy to see as a replacement character, since when we first met him the only thing he wanted to do was meet Oak. It was obvious he wanted to stay there. There's a reason why Ash and May get all the screentime in AG, while Max and Brock get a single filler episode once in a blue moon.
I thought they were just trying to make one new main character for this region, and trying to expand on her to add a nice new element that would make Advanced Generation go with a bang. I didn't expect them to keep her going strong for more seasons.


May wants to travel and see the world, she has the same kind of energetic personality that Ash does. She's going to continue to jump at the chance to go to new regions, much like Ash does to continue his goal.
I didn't think she'd do so within the viewer's eyes. And again, I first thought Contests was a Hoenn exclusive thing.


I think it's pretty obvious that May is as intergal to the series as Ash is, they writers have found their male and female lead that young boys and girls respectively can watch and aspire to be.
Maybe you're right. I don't know anymore. >_>


They are the main heroes, and just like Ash is never going to get ditched, the chances of May going are very slim as well. The supporting characters in this show (Misty, Brock, Tracey, Max) are expendable. They come and go. The main heroes (Ash and May) are here for the foreseeable future, they are the show. The entirety of AG revolves around the two. Big difference.
Perhaps. You could be right, I'm not sure what the writers are thinking. I'm still not completely sure what they'll do with May, but if they keep her going with Contests and to new regions (for the 4th generation of Pokemon), then you can take a moment to laugh in my face. O_o; We'll see.

CyberCubed
17th December 2005, 2:59 AM
I agree. But the general idea of Contests still seem more inferior to Gym battles, or do you disagree there?

That depends on the person. They're completely different goals, just like real life jobs are completely different. One is not really inferior than the other, it's just whatever you like more. In the show though, the writers already made it apparent that coordinators are just as strong battling in real battles as in contest battles. See "Win Lose or Drew" and "Fan with a Plan".


I thought they were just trying to make one new main character for this region, and trying to expand on her to add a nice new element that would make Advanced Generation go with a bang. I didn't expect them to keep her going strong for more seasons.

Writers never introduce characters just for one region. They want their characters to last, that's why they create them in the first place. Whenever a character left the group (Brock, Tracey, Misty) it was all for a reason. Brock was dropped because 4kids complained about his eyes, Tracey was dropped because his character completely bombed, and Misty was dropped because her character was run into the ground. The writers don't just throw all the names of the main characters in a hat and randomly decide who to kick off each region. Heck, I'm willing to bet that Max will still be here next region, even if he does relatively nothing in most episodes. If he's popular and the writers like him, he'll still be here too.


Perhaps. You could be right, I'm not sure what the writers are thinking. I'm still not completely sure what they'll do with May, but if they keep her going with Contests and to new regions (for the 4th generation of Pokemon), then you can take a moment to laugh in my face. O_o; We'll see.

Contests or no contests, I think it's obvious that May will continue. Ash is a Kanto character, but that didn't stop him from traveling to Johto and Hoenn did it? Same with Brock. Just because May is a Hoenn character, that doesn't mean that she can't travel to new regions either.

What game era they were created for makes little difference, it's the writers making said characters having respective roles in the show that make them continue.

Crystal Clair
18th December 2005, 4:15 PM
Hmm, I was also thinking that (the thread name, not the current discussion). I'd think they'd keep the same clothes unless their next region was a snowy region. Other than that, not really.
Reminds me of all those icy-Ash pictures now.

Kamex
18th December 2005, 9:41 PM
Okay, okay. I've changed the way I look at the characters' appearances and why they stick around... but I have a feeling the writers will give us something new to think about when we see the roster for the next region.

One more thing, though:

Brock was dropped because 4kids complained about his eyes
4Kids complained about his eyes? I thought it was just a bunch of random fans or something. I didn't think 4Kids themselves had a problem with it.

CyberCubed
18th December 2005, 9:47 PM
They thought he wouldn't catch on with kids because of the way he looked, which is why he was replaced by a very "american" looking guy (Tracey).

However, once 4kids realized that Brock was a major hit with fans, the writers quickly got rid of Tracey at the end of the saga and brought Brock back.

Alphonse Elric
17th January 2006, 10:09 AM
I just want May in a swimsuit.