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OmastarLover
18th December 2005, 11:08 PM
;145; Zapdos @ ChestoBerry
EV: balanced (??) Trait: Pressure
-Drill Peck
-Thunder Wave
-Thunerbolt
-Rest

**I think its a well balanced starter pokemon

;071; Victreebell @ Leftovers
EV: Atk=172/SpAtk=0/ others balanced Trait: Clorophyll
-Sludge Bomb
-Swords Dance
-Synthesis
-Sleep Powder

**Pure physical sweeper counting with some luck

;139; Omastar @ Leftovers
EV: balanced (??) maybe more sp atack? need help here... Trait: Shell Armor
-Surf
-Ice Bean
-Rock Slide
-Double Team (maybe spikes somewhere? rest?)

;094; Gengar @ ??? (currently leftovers)
EV: minimizing attack to raise sp attack ... Trait: Levitate
-Ice Punch
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Destiny Bond

** Im thinking of switch thins, ill discuss later

;208; Steelix @ Leftovers
EV: minimizing SP attack raising Atk... Trait: Sturdy
-Earthquake
-RockSlide
-Explosion
-Roar

;229; Houndoom @ Leftovers
EV: minimizing Attack raising SP attack... Trait: Flash Fire
-Crunch
-Flametrhower
-Sunny Day
-Solar beam

**Standard Sunnybeaming Houndoom

Well, if u put an close eye, my team have some great weaknesses:
-Ice attacks
-Fight Attacks
-no resistances against water

And some pokemon i have trouble to deal with:
-Snorlax
-Blissey
-Milotic
-Starmie
-at some times, Skarmory

I wold like to choose a new pokemon to switch on gengar, that could cover most of these weaknesses, and not being an OU one.... hard no? :(
Some changes on movesets of the other members may also help if u have an idea :)

Fluorescent Adolescent
18th December 2005, 11:21 PM
;145; Zapdos @ ChestoBerry
EV: balanced (??) Trait: Pressure
-Sleep talk
-HP grass
-Thunerbolt
-Rest

**I think its a well balanced starter pokemon

;071; Victreebell @ Leftovers
EV: Atk=172/SpAtk=0/ others balanced Trait: Clorophyll
-Sludge Bomb
-Swords Dance
-Synthesis
-Sleep Powder

**Pure physical sweeper counting with some luck

ok.

;139; Omastar @ Leftovers
EV: balanced (??) maybe more sp atack? need help here... Trait: Shell Armor
-Hydro Pump
-Ice Bean
-Rain dance
-Spikes

;094; Gengar @ ??? (currently leftovers)
EV: minimizing attack to raise sp attack ... Trait: Levitate
-Ice bean-not possible. Only learns Ice punch
-Thunderbolt
-Substitute
-Focus Punch

** Im thinking of switch thins, ill discuss later

Meh McIceGar

;208; Steelix @ Leftovers
EV: minimizing SP attack raising Atk... Trait: Sturdy
-Earthquake
-RockSlide
-Explosion/rest
-Roar

good.

;229; Houndoom @ Leftovers
EV: minimizing Attack raising SP attack... Trait: Flash Fire
-Crunch/Pursuit
-Flametrhower/Fire Blast
-Sunny Day
-Solar beam

**Standard Sunnybeaming Houndoom

Meh.
Well, if u put an close eye, my team have some great weaknesses:
-Ice attacks
-Fight Attacks
-no resistances against water

And some pokemon i have trouble to deal with:
-Snorlax
-Blissey
-Milotic
-Starmie
-at some times, Skarmory

I wold like to choose a new pokemon to switch on gengar, that could cover most of these weaknesses, and not being an OU one.... hard no? :(
Some changes on movesets of the other members may also help if u have an idea :)


Sunny day and Rain dance on one team ._. Great.

OmastarLover
18th December 2005, 11:31 PM
Rain Dance + Sunny day? is it a wise thing to do?

In this case should i change trait for Swift Swim on Omastar i supose?

Rain Dance would warn even more to the non-defense agains water my team has, no?

What about ice Weakness, and Blissey? (it gives me nightmares)

Oooh, and sorry for ICE BEAN, i meant Ice Punch really, EDITED

SapphireL
18th December 2005, 11:39 PM
and besides, you mean Ice BeaM right? ;)

anyways go with *Ryan* but Houndoom should have HP Grass and Will-O-Wisp instead of Sunny Day and Solar Beam

OmastarLover
18th December 2005, 11:48 PM
hm, spo, WoW and HP grass over SD and SB, so, we leave the rain dance alone in omastar, right? But with Rain Dance and a high SP atk, does Omastar need Hydro Pump, over surf? i guess its a OHKO almost any non resistant Sp attack/water, no?

But do u think Omastar is suficiently tanker to do spikes?

leafgreen386
19th December 2005, 12:00 AM
It's really just a filler.

OmastarLover
19th December 2005, 12:30 AM
So we are now:


;145; Zapdos @ ChestoBerry
EV: balanced (??) Trait: Pressure
-Drill Peck
-Thunder Wave
-Thunerbolt
-Rest

;071; Victreebell @ Leftovers
EV: Atk=172/SpAtk=0/ others balanced Trait: Clorophyll
-Sludge Bomb
-Swords Dance
-Synthesis
-Sleep Powder

;139; Omastar @ Leftovers
EV: balanced (??) maybe more sp atack? need help here... Trait: Shell Armor
-Surf
-Ice Bean
-Rock Slide
-Rain Dance

;094; Gengar @ ??? (currently leftovers)
EV: minimizing attack to raise sp attack ... Trait: Levitate
-Ice Punch
-Thunderbolt
-Substitute
-Focus Punch

McIcegar, i hope it can get rid of Bliss, but only if it doesnt switch, uh?

** Im thinking of switch thins, ill discuss later

;208; Steelix @ Leftovers
EV: minimizing SP attack raising Atk... Trait: Sturdy
-Earthquake
-RockSlide
-Explosion
-Roar

;229; Houndoom @ Leftovers
EV: minimizing Attack raising SP attack... Trait: Flash Fire
-Crunch
-Flametrhower
-Hp: Grass
-Will Of Wisp



But what about Starmie? Ice Weakness? Water weakness? :(

leafgreen386
19th December 2005, 12:40 AM
Why do you have a Chesto berry on Zapdos? Sleep Talk>T-Wave and @Leftovers

Btw, don't bother with Rock Slide on Omastar. It's going to do more damage with one of its special moves.

Lead with Gengar.

Replace *something* for a Special Wall. You need it.

This is NB, right?

Protoman.EXE
19th December 2005, 1:24 AM
Looks good.But,um,levels?

OmastarLover
19th December 2005, 1:27 AM
I guess you're totaly right... but i cant find a special wall/tank to put on Gengar's Place, cause i dont like an OOOU like Blissey (i hate it), or any other known wall... but it would definitely be good against Starmie and ice attacks!

About RockSlide on Omastar, sometimes i get stuck with some special resistants like an Blissey, Alakazam, and rockslide is helpfull in this cases, but really i can find a better option on spikes or something else...

Sleep Talk over Twave? i just cant feel safe without TW on zapy, is it really superior to chestorest?

And yes, its NB team :)

**protoman, they are all level 100, its NB :)

OmastarLover
19th December 2005, 1:47 AM
I got some ideas, see if u can helps with the choose and movesets, remembering that it would substitute Gengar and need to be a SP wall/tank:

Tentacruel: very good sp defense and i can boost it even more with EV/personality, but i dunno if ot can face starmie safely (psychic and thunderbolt)... also it would make another sludge bomb sweeper

Dusclops: Not an UU, but not so OU i guess. Excelent tank, but again, i dnno if it can stop Starmie

Wailord: High HP, but the defense craps... its high attack can get rid of starmie, but i dont know if it will last to do it, xD

At least the three of them are able to face ice attacks

suggestions? im really screwed up, LOL

leafgreen386
19th December 2005, 2:54 AM
...

Dusclops is just a bad Blissey if you're using it as a Sp.Wall. Starmie is one of the two Rapid Spinners that can actually hurt Dusclops, the other being Donphan.

You could use Regice or Snorlax, but that's about all there is off the top of my head. As for UU Sp.Walls, there's Grumpig, Clefable, and Hypno, but they're kinda limited in OU. I guess Registeel could do.

OK. Since this is NB, use HP:Grass>Drill Peck, as right now you have a bit of a Swampert weak. Since you don't have a Beller, you could use Light Screen>Rest on Zapdos, as ChestoRest isn't very good, being a one-time use, and then it's done. Use Leftovers.

And uh... why does Omastar have Shell Armor? It should have Swift swim if you're using RD.

Btw, next time use File -> Export to Text. That way you don't have to type it all out.

OmastarLover
19th December 2005, 3:43 AM
Hm... regice would be a good choice if it wasnt that i already use onde legendary, i think its so musch to put two on a team, no?

Sorry, i forgot to change teh trait, but Omastar is now with Swift Swim, i just forgot to type it :)

U are right about Swampert weakness.... altough houndoom have HP grass, its very risky cause its a Fire poke, hehehe

Zora
19th December 2005, 4:06 AM
Don't bother on the legendary fact. It isn't a real class. Also, you have no UBERS, which differ from trios and a few other legendaries (celebi, jirachi. Also those Ev's aren't good. Here are better EV's:
Pokemon (Nature): X (speed)/((sp.) attack/defense)

Zapdos (???): 252 Speed, 100 Attack, 156, 2 wherever Sp. Attack (There is probably a better ev set).

Victreebell (Adament): 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP

Omastar(Modest): 252 Defense, 252 Sp. Attack 6 HP (There is probably a better ev set)

Gengar(???): 252 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack, 6 Attack (See above in parathenses)

Steelix(Adament): 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP

Houndoom(Modest): 252 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack, 6 HP.

There are probably better ones for all of these, but better then nothing. Also know the difference between EV's and Nature.

WootyMcWoot
19th December 2005, 4:37 AM
Don't bother on the legendary fact. It isn't a real class. Also, you have no UBERS, which differ from trios and a few other legendaries (celebi, jirachi. Also those Ev's aren't good. Here are better EV's:
Pokemon (Nature): X (speed)/((sp.) attack/defense)

Zapdos (???): 252 Speed, 100 Attack, 156, 2 wherever Sp. Attack (There is probably a better ev set).

Victreebell (Adament): 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP

Omastar(Modest): 252 Defense, 252 Sp. Attack 6 HP (There is probably a better ev set)

Gengar(???): 252 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack, 6 Attack (See above in parathenses)

Steelix(Adament): 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP

Houndoom(Modest): 252 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack, 6 HP.

There are probably better ones for all of these, but better then nothing. Also know the difference between EV's and Nature.
Yeah your EVs aren't much better as you're putting speed on Steelix and just using simple 252/252/6 spreads that could be changed around to be better.

chaos952
19th December 2005, 4:55 AM
If this is a NetBattle team, File --> Export to Text please.

I see Double Team... =/

Fluorescent Adolescent
19th December 2005, 12:04 PM
and besides, you mean Ice BeaM right? ;)

anyways go with *Ryan* but Houndoom should have HP Grass and Will-O-Wisp instead of Sunny Day and Solar Beam

**** I didn't see the solarbeam one o_0;;;

OmastarLover
19th December 2005, 3:28 PM
Well... i can't do the file>>export to text now cause im not home, but ill do this latter.

The EV`s are important and i really don`t have good ideas to set up them.

Im thinking of follow u guys and pick up Regice or Registeel as a Special Wall, any ideas for personality, EVs and movesets for them to this job?

aipomkong
19th December 2005, 6:37 PM
Omastar @ Leftovers ** 0mastar = cool
Trait: Shell Armor
EVs: 196 HP / 252 Def / 62 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Spikes
- Surf / Hydro Pump

combine with blissey and celebi and you have an excellent spiker that is pretty durable for a pokemon that has a fighting and ground weak

blissey stops special attacks from raping it, celebi stops grasses/leech seeders

OmastarLover
20th December 2005, 1:24 AM
We both that like Omastar here trying to give the best performance for this fascinating poke :P

I just keep wondering, whats the meaning of Rest on Omastar? i guess its too slow to be able to rest when it really needs to, agree?

shoe pilot
20th December 2005, 1:33 AM
Heal Bell/Aromatherepy and predicting+knowledge

OmastarLover
20th December 2005, 3:28 AM
Finaly i did it, gor the team from text of NB, here it is as now:

;145;Zapdos @ Chesto Berry
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 85 HP / 85 Atk / 85 Def / 85 Spd / 85 SAtk / 85 SDef
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

;071;Victreebel (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Chlorophyll
EVs: 84 HP / 172 Atk / 84 Def / 84 Spd / 84 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Sleep Powder
- Sludge Bomb
- Swords Dance
- Synthesis

;139;Omastar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 85 HP / 168 Def / 85 Spd / 172 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rain Dance
- Spikes
- Surf

;378;Regice @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 88 HP / 84 Spd / 252 SAtk / 84 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

;208;Steelix (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 116 HP / 84 Atk / 140 Def / 84 Spd / 84 SDef
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Roar
- Rock Slide

;229;Houndoom (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 84 HP / 84 Def / 84 Spd / 172 SAtk / 84 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Crunch
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Will-O-Wisp

OBS: Still have some problems with starmie (it runs from regice, obviously), and serious problems with Lax/Bliss... some problems with raikou and aerodactyl also... guess i have much to change yet :(

Carpetted!
20th December 2005, 3:31 AM
What's the point of roar? O.o

Alfonso
20th December 2005, 3:37 AM
What's the point of roar? O.o

I see.

In-Game rate is over in that direction.

Roar is used to force a switch, thus negating any stats that have been increased by moves such as Swords Dance, Iron Defense, etc. It's also used as a combo with Spikes to cause damage.

That EV spread for Zapdos is awful. ._. Sure, it was probably a mistake, but you can't afford to make mistakes in NB.

aipomkong
20th December 2005, 5:11 PM
whoa alfonso

Alfonso
20th December 2005, 5:38 PM
whoa alfonso

Hey.

I haven't NBed in f*cking ages, since this forum pretty much went to hell because of the increase in people who can't tell the difference between Competitive and In-Game. I opened it up this morning though, may give making a team another try.

Until then, here's an old favorite of mine that I posted up a while back.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v720/alfonso_amatari/WEREPLAYINGCOMPETITVLY.png

Anyway.

-No Rest on Zapdos, since it doesn't even have Sleep Talk. And replace Drill with either HP Ice or HP Grass.

-Dump Victreebel. It's not a good idea to mix a UU in a OU team. It'll be ripped apart in no time.

-Thunderwave/Psych Up > Toxic on Regice

shoe pilot
21st December 2005, 4:15 AM
I love that image.

why didn't I save it at first :/

dragonwarrior360
21st December 2005, 6:44 PM
u should put counter on regice over toxic

shoe pilot
21st December 2005, 7:56 PM
counter. right.

not Psych Up for countering Suicune or Thunderwave for disabling random ****?

Fluorescent Adolescent
21st December 2005, 7:59 PM
Actually that isn't such a bad idea. Something tries to FP regice then counter it. Or if theres a CBer then it can expect to die. Although Thunderwave is most probably the best option over psych up IMO.

F*** suicune.

shoe pilot
21st December 2005, 8:17 PM
Something tries to FP regice then counter it.

the weakest used Focus Punch, McGar's, does 72%-84%.

Boah would do 86% to a OHKO, SPBB Draggy would do similar amounts, any STABed/Choice Banded Focus Punch is a OHKO.

Fluorescent Adolescent
21st December 2005, 8:29 PM
the weakest used Focus Punch, McGar's, does 72%-84%.

Boah would do 86% to a OHKO, SPBB Draggy would do similar amounts, any STABed/Choice Banded Focus Punch is a OHKO.

Ice beam kills Draggy, no one in their right minds would switch a regice into a FP and if Boah came in, you'd just switch or predict and use Ice beam ._.;

aipomkong
21st December 2005, 10:39 PM
more like regice switched into draggy's sub not knowing it was sub-punch-bolt-beam

shoe pilot
22nd December 2005, 2:55 PM
Ice beam kills Draggy, no one in their right minds would switch a regice into a FP and if Boah came in, you'd just switch or predict and use Ice beam ._.;
and thusly not use counter.

thanks for further proving my point.

Fluorescent Adolescent
22nd December 2005, 3:07 PM
But that's just for 2 pokemon ._.; I'm saying it could work for the average physical sweeper such as tauros or something. Heck even snorlax 8D

leafgreen386
22nd December 2005, 7:39 PM
...

But you said Focus Punch. You never said anything about "the average physical sweeper."

Anyway...

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 124 HP / 56 Def / 152 Spd / 176 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Light Screen
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

Imo, the RestTalking Zapdos is better, but w/e. If you want T-Wave that bad...

You're probably better off with a CBer of some sort in Victreebel's spot. That is, as long as you can predict.

Regice @ Leftovers ** Icicle empire
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 204 HP / 12 Spd / 216 SAtk / 76 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Psych Up
- Rest
- Thunderbolt

This is what I use. Regice has a 200 base SDef. Take advantage of it! I probably went a little excess in SAtk, so feel fre to move some of that to Def.

For Steelix, use an Impish nature, and give it enough for 336 HP, 500-520 Def, maybe 12 Spd if you're using Rock Slide, none if you're using HP:Rock. As for the rest, you could just stuff it all in Atk, but iirc, it's better off with just a little SDef, so it can withstand random Fire Blasts better. Someone else could give you an actual number.

Houndoom (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 52 HP / 188 Spd / 252 SAtk / 16 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Pursuit
- Will-O-Wisp

That's what I used when I used Houdoom, but...

I'm gonna suggest to remove either Omastar or Houndoom for a SkarmBliss counter. Be wary of Sandstream though if you use Boah. Probably Omastar, as Houndoom covers Regice on taking Fire attacks.

Fluorescent Adolescent
22nd December 2005, 7:45 PM
...

But you said Focus Punch. You never said anything about "the average physical sweeper."

I meant physical sweeper ._.;

pyrofrost
25th December 2005, 4:01 PM
i think u shud change zapdozes move pool to sum thing like this
-thunder/thunderbolt
-agility
-thunderwave
-drill peck
that thing isnt high on defences to use rest, i hav a feeling that its life guage will be returned to its previous condition after using rest, thats a sweeper.

Fluorescent Adolescent
25th December 2005, 4:17 PM
i think u shud change zapdozes move pool to sum thing like this
-thunder/thunderbolt
-agility
-thunderwave
-drill peck
that thing isnt high on defences to use rest, i hav a feeling that its life guage will be returned to its previous condition after using rest, thats a sweeper.

No. Kthxbai.

OmastarLover
29th December 2005, 9:18 PM
Well, after too much of thinking and asking, i changed too many things on the team, i guess its MUCH better now:

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 90 HP / 40 Atk / 44 Def / 252 Spd / 40 SAtk / 44 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

**Its my fighting counter, so it NEEDS a decent drill peck in order to ensure OHKO to at least most of them, remember that almost all of fighting pokes have HP: Rock, or RS to counter fly, so cant take chances with no OHKO :)

Poliwrath (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Substitute

***Well, i try of a Bliss counter. I definitely have GREAT problems with Lax/Bliss, please help me solve it :(

Vileplume (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spd / 6 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Giga Drain
- Sleep Powder
- Synthesis

*** Its able to cover Zappy's rest, especially seeing Zappy is my starter poke, so it will probably need to rest before Vileplume comes to fight, is it nice?

Lanturn (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 40 HP / 218 Def / 252 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

*** GREAT special tank, i finnaly found one, this thing won me many battles, making a great match against Cune, Vappy, Raikou, Sala, Milotic and many other OU special attackers, just good, but it may be better in movepool i guess. Guess i need rest somewhere

Steelix (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 202 HP / 224 Atk / 84 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Roar
- Rock Slide

*** Even with AMAZING defense, sometimes it appears not to resist as well as it would be expected from him, should i EV-up defense even more?

Houndoom (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 84 HP / 84 Def / 84 Spd / 172 SAtk / 84 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Crunch
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Will-O-Wisp

*** Im attempting on switching this one, but it has some characteristics that cant be lost on my team, such as:

-Psychic defense (Gardevoir, Zam, at least on the switch, forcing a thunderbolt that is taken by Lanturn, cool!)
-Fire attack (obvious) counter grass, since my Ice Beamer is a water type :(
-Counters Exegutor, Celeby

Suggestions? thanks for all the help :)

aipomkong
29th December 2005, 10:09 PM
zapdos needs HP Grass > drill peck

thunderbolt 2hko's every usable fighter

toxic lanturn isnt good, thunder wave over it

OmastarLover
29th December 2005, 10:27 PM
Hm, maybe ure right about Twave on Lanturn

But Zappy cant stand most Rocks attacks from the fighting types.... at least they are 2HKO, and against my 2HKO of TBolt, the fastest wins, and there are a quite fights faster than zappy :(

With Zappy dead, i dont stand a chance anymore, if the know dealing woth Vileplume (not so tough)... What about HP:Grass > TWave?

aipomkong
29th December 2005, 10:45 PM
drill peck zapdos needs a neutral attack nature, and some attack evs