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OmastarLover
20th December 2005, 10:35 PM
It have been just built, and was never tested yet, so it may contain several mistakes and weaknesses i dodnt realize, help me to adjust it please (EV's settings arent that good, i think)

;203;Girafarig (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Early Bird
EVs: 92 HP / 84 Def / 252 Spd / 82 SDef
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Agility
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Psychic

;038;Ninetales (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 90 HP / 252 Spd / 84 SAtk / 84 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Confuse Ray
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Will-O-Wisp

;171;Lanturn (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 90 HP / 84 Spd / 84 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Rest
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

;338;Solrock @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 94 HP / 84 Atk / 252 Def / 80 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Reflect
- Rock Slide

;346;Cradily (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Suction Cups
EVs: 84 HP / 84 Def / 84 Spd / 84 SAtk / 174 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Barrier
- Giga Drain
- Recover
- Toxic

;085;Dodrio (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Early Bird
EVs: 84 HP / 174 Atk / 84 Def / 84 Spd / 84 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Quick Attack
- Return

Fluorescent Adolescent
20th December 2005, 10:36 PM
Dodrio isn't UU ._.;

OmastarLover
20th December 2005, 10:52 PM
Hm.... well, i just guess its UU enough, when i first used Dodrio, past in GSC, it was... But if it's the case, can u help me to fill the team with anything else?

It must be necessarily a physical attacker, if possible, resistant to ground and/or water types, if u put an close eye on the team u will find out why :)

But BTW, what about the others?

Fluorescent Adolescent
20th December 2005, 10:57 PM
Dodrio (M) @ Salac berry
Trait: Early Bird
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/6 HP
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Substitute
- Quick Attack/HP Ghost
- Flail

Bleh I'm not even sure of the standard. Something along the lines of that. Dodrio sucks anyway.

OmastarLover
20th December 2005, 11:04 PM
Hey, i meant that im giving up of Dodrio, for it to be not exactly an UU one... so i need to put something else in his place, preferably a bird, cause the others in the team are much vulnerable to ground (Ninetales, Lanturn, Cradilly) i thought about Moltres, but i think it wolud rely all the water defense on Lanturn, no?

EDIT: Girafarig's nature is Bold, not Neutral (-Atk, + Def)

Fluorescent Adolescent
20th December 2005, 11:06 PM
Moltres is OU ._.;;

metafreak
20th December 2005, 11:14 PM
i thought Moltres was OU

Fluorescent Adolescent
20th December 2005, 11:17 PM
Sorry that's what I meant -_-''

OmastarLover
20th December 2005, 11:20 PM
well, it really surprises me O_O... i play in NB from 2 years ago, and if i saw 8/10 Moltres in my enemies, it was much, maybe i got luck evading encounters with him ^^

Or u are considering him an OU just for being legendary?

BTW, Articuno could do? Its the most tanky one of the three leg. birds, the less used one, and being an ice one, can face securesly a ground type even with Rock attacks, ^^

Kaiser
20th December 2005, 11:48 PM
i havent seen entei too much lets make him UU =)

-MK ;376;

aipomkong
21st December 2005, 12:02 AM
moltres is technicly uu
entei is technicly uu
articuno is tech. uu
dodrio is ou

arti/entei/moltres will NEVER be allowed in uu, they would just be 'instant win' material

ryan - standard dodrio is the choice bander.

use choice band fearow > dodrio

Fluorescent Adolescent
21st December 2005, 12:04 AM
O RLY? I've seen the set I mentioned used much more than the CB version :x

Pax Deorum
21st December 2005, 12:17 AM
It have been just built, and was never tested yet, so it may contain several mistakes and weaknesses i dodnt realize, help me to adjust it please (EV's settings arent that good, i think)

;203;Girafarig (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Early Bird
EVs: 92 HP / 84 Def / 252 Spd / 82 SDef
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Agility
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Psychic

Wish > Agillity, More Defence and less Sp. Defence. It doesn't need as much Speed too. Bolf nature

;038;Ninetales (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 90 HP / 252 Spd / 84 SAtk / 84 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Confuse Ray
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Will-O-Wisp

meh

;171;Lanturn (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 90 HP / 84 Spd / 84 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Rest
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

Thunder Wave > Toxic. 401 HP, max Sp. Attack and rest in Sp. Defence with a Modest nature

;338;Solrock @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 94 HP / 84 Atk / 252 Def / 80 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Reflect
- Rock Slide

Shadow Ball>Reflect, give it Choice Band. Max Attack, some Speed and rest in Defence

;346;Cradily (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Suction Cups
EVs: 84 HP / 84 Def / 84 Spd / 84 SAtk / 174 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Barrier
- Giga Drain
- Recover
- Toxic

Recover/Earthquake/Rock Slide/Toxic. Focus on HP and Sp. Defence, the Defence and HP. Impish or +Sp. Defence, -Sp. Attack

;085;Dodrio (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Early Bird
EVs: 84 HP / 174 Atk / 84 Def / 84 Spd / 84 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Quick Attack
- Return

252 Attack/252 Speed/6 HP, Jolly. HP Fighting > Ground


Your EVs suck, all legendaries are OU by standard, Underused doesn't mean they aren't much used, if so I could say Gardevoir is UU, which is a lie.

OmastarLover
21st December 2005, 1:27 AM
Sorry but i can't agree! Say that legendaries be all OU is OK, even they being not so used, but they are all in the aim of discussions and tests, but:

1) Gardevoir is an OU because it IS used too much, but if u consider it OU just for being strong, so we must change the concepts of the game for WP and SP (weak poke and strong poke) and by all means, an UU team will be an inferior team, and it becomes pointless for look for and try UU teams

UU = UNDER USED, not a weak one

BTW, IMO Blissey must join Wobuffet and the High-stat legendaries in the 00ber list, xD

OmastarLover
21st December 2005, 2:21 AM
Hey, i've found a good substitute for Dodrio that resists ground AND water :) see the team as it is now, and rate please (also help with EV):

;203;Girafarig (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Early Bird
EVs: 92 HP / 84 Def / 252 Spd / 82 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Agility
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Psychic

;038;Ninetales (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 90 HP / 252 Spd / 84 SAtk / 84 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Confuse Ray
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Will-O-Wisp

;171;Lanturn (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 90 HP / 84 Spd / 84 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Rest
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

;338;Solrock @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 94 HP / 84 Atk / 252 Def / 80 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Reflect
- Rock Slide

;346;Cradily (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Suction Cups
EVs: 84 HP / 84 Def / 84 Spd / 84 SAtk / 174 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Barrier
- Giga Drain
- Recover
- Toxic

;334;Altaria (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 90 Atk / 84 Spd / 84 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Blast

Fluorescent Adolescent
21st December 2005, 2:25 AM
Don't double post otherwise all your base are belong to me.

Pax Deorum
21st December 2005, 2:41 AM
Sorry but i can't agree! Say that legendaries be all OU is OK, even they being not so used, but they are all in the aim of discussions and tests, but:

1) Gardevoir is an OU because it IS used too much, but if u consider it OU just for being strong, so we must change the concepts of the game for WP and SP (weak poke and strong poke) and by all means, an UU team will be an inferior team, and it becomes pointless for look for and try UU teams

UU = UNDER USED, not a weak one

BTW, IMO Blissey must join Wobuffet and the High-stat legendaries in the 00ber list, xD

Gardevoir isn't much seen, I know it. And I've seen people saying he's BL. There are many things that make him OU, overall good stats and very good movepool, making him OU, although not seen very frequently.

What defines a pokemon as UU or OU is:
-Its stats: No matter how huge of a movepool a pokemon has, if it doesn't have stats to back it up, it's useless. (Ex.Spinda)
-It's movepool: A pokemon may have really good stats but piss poor movepool, downgrading it severely (ex:Arcanine)
-It's usability:A pokemon may have a good movepool for certain purpouses on a team, but his stats disallow it to do effectively. (ex.Xatu, it has a great supporting movepool, but it's defence stats don't allow it do use it efficiently

Just because a pokemon isn't seen very often, doesn't mean it's UU. Miltank isn't much used in OU because it's outshined by Blissey in the Cleric support, yet it is too overpowered to be considered UU or BL

Altaria (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 90 Atk / 84 Spd / 84 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Blast

Choice Band? on a DD set? >.> more like Leftovers, also go Sing or Rest > Fire Blast. Natural Cure abuse is still cool even if yo have to switch. Max Attack, it only needs enough Speed to outspeed Timid Manectric after a DD IMO.

OmastarLover
21st December 2005, 3:29 AM
sorry for the CB Altaria, i just forgot to change it, i put him in place of Dodrio and the CB of the former owner just stayed there, i have changed already thanks :)

Yeah ure right about rest i supose... i just wonder if its fast enough to rest efetively, but after DD it can do well, huh?

Hey, i think this team have a heracross weak, do u people agree? But i really dont have idea to fix this, so unfortunately i must hope for evading him, LOL

But i have a great doubt, what poke in the team is the best for start the battle?

Pax Deorum
21st December 2005, 9:58 AM
I'm not a big fan of DD Altaria, IMO Flameclaw is better

aipomkong
21st December 2005, 2:40 PM
BTW, IMO Blissey must join Wobuffet and the High-stat legendaries in the 00ber list, xD

yes because blissey has an insanly high stat total with it's base 10 atk/def,
and it can own any pokemon it wants easily with either, stupidly high attack presence, or encore + being a *** attack (wobba)

blissey's base stat total is low, blissey isn't even that good anyway

OmastarLover
21st December 2005, 4:39 PM
I'm not a big fan of DD Altaria, IMO Flameclaw is better

Well, but what about his crappy attack? its not a Tank, so it needs to have a great attack in order to do good damage, i wonder...

BTW, SalacHera keeps owning the team easily :( i dont know how to solve this, and im testing what monster is best to put in the first slot, yet

aipomkong
21st December 2005, 4:51 PM
BTW, SalacHera keeps owning the team easily :( i dont know how to solve this, and im testing what monster is best to put in the first slot, yet

play uu battles = no heracross

or

ditch altaria as it sucks for

Fearow @ choice band
adamant
252 atk / 252 spd / 6 hp
- return
- drill peck
- QUICK ATTACK
- hp steel / hp fighting / steel wing

SPhoenix
22nd December 2005, 1:07 AM
isnt dodrio > fearow?

Infinity
22nd December 2005, 1:14 AM
isnt dodrio > fearow?
Yes, but Dodrio is OU Fearow is UU. Thunder Wave over Toxic on Lanturn imo.

~Phanpy~
22nd December 2005, 6:02 AM
Ditch Girafarig for Grumpig, as it is a good Special Sponge...

Grumpig@leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
Nature: Calm (+S.Def, -Atk)
EV's: 142 HP/ 176 Spd/ 108 S.Atk/ 84 S.Def
Calm Mind
Fire Punch
Substitute
Psychic

You may try replacing Psychic for Trick and give it CB if you want, but you are better off with the first set.

Also I prefer HP: Ground over HP: Steel/Fighting, gets rid of the electric weakness easily...

~Phanpy~ ;231;

Pax Deorum
22nd December 2005, 12:31 PM
Trick Piggy should have Trick over Sub, if it goes over Psychic you'll lose your stab, if it goes over Fire Punch expect any Dark type to make you cry

OmastarLover
23rd December 2005, 5:24 PM
But even with Psychic AND fire Punch, Houndoom steel owns :)

Well, my set for girafarig was just set to match with the Cradilly one, so i guess i need to change this too

intergalactic platypus
23rd December 2005, 10:34 PM
for a UU team, i would use certain pokemon that you dont seem to have. i suggest you include porygon 2, crobat, and grumpig, who are all incredibly good for UU and i dont know why they slip through the UU filter with their stats and movepool

shoe pilot
23rd December 2005, 11:08 PM
they are uu because they aren't good enough for ou.

Pax Deorum
24th December 2005, 6:13 PM
But even with Psychic AND fire Punch, Houndoom steel owns :)

Well, my set for girafarig was just set to match with the Cradilly one, so i guess i need to change this too

No one keeps Grumpig in on Houndoom

Black Mage
26th December 2005, 5:07 AM
I think Crobat's OU - insanely high speed and not too shabby attack (though he does needs a Choice Band for nice damage =\) It's mostly a hit-and-runner IMO, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

~Death Star ;121;;373;

Fluorescent Adolescent
26th December 2005, 1:40 PM
I think Crobat's OU - insanely high speed and not too shabby attack (though he does needs a Choice Band for nice damage =\) It's mostly a hit-and-runner IMO, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

~Death Star ;121;;373;

Erm I'm pretty sure crobats BL.