Official GSC Programming & Beta Glitch Thread

**HexaTyphlosion** · 15th February 2006, 11:14 PM

Actually, a route from Goldenrod to Cianwood is a strong possibility. Look here. You can draw a straight line from Goldenrod City to the Whirl Islands.

And I assure you, this map is not a forgery.

Also, I found something interesting in the tileset used for caves:

http://i1.tinypic.com/nwa1d1.png

Tracks, and what looks like a mine cart. There also seems to be a block, which I don't believe appears in the game either.

**Gulzar** · 15th February 2006, 11:31 PM

Yeah HexaTyphlosion, I’ve seen those cave tiles before. It makes me think that they were planning on having something more in a cave (a city perhaps?). And if people believe that the beta Goldenrod isn’t real, think again. I’ve entered the offsets into my version of Goldmap and it shows up perfectly. Guys, honestly, stop looking for made-up stuff: you’re not going to find it here because I won’t allow it.

**marioguy** · 27th February 2006, 6:07 PM

I want more maps

**Absol!** · 28th February 2006, 9:18 PM

Wow! Those are so cool. I wish Lake of Rage Town still existed. Maybe, like someone mentioned, it became Mahogony Town. I always wondered why you could fly to the Lake...

And Goldenrod City is very interesting. Awesome finds!

**Gulzar** · 1st March 2006, 11:59 PM

I have two new pictures to share:
Beta Cave 1
Beta Cave 2
If anyone wants the offsets then pm me.
(I’ve edited my first post to include the new pics)

**Locke Yggdrasill** · 2nd March 2006, 12:10 AM

Gulzar, do these maps include an event set? ;D

**Gulzar** · 2nd March 2006, 12:19 AM

I don’t have the event offsets for any of the beta maps, unfortunately. I would especially like to find the offsets for the caves so I might have some idea as to where they were intended to go. Then again, there might not be any events programmed for the beta maps, like the beta Safari Zone (see Safari Zone map thread).
Wish I knew more.

**Cifala** · 2nd March 2006, 4:04 AM

My guess was an unfinished Seafoam?

**MaskedManAbsolkid** · 2nd March 2006, 9:29 AM

Originally Posted by ~Imperial Stormtrooper~

My guess was an unfinished Seafoam?

That's possible, actually. If it is Seafoam, then I'd check Cinnabar if I were you, for people who have the program. So can you have a check to see if Cinnabar's still there? And I'd check the routes around Cinnabar, I'd check Pallet, I'd check Viridian, and I'd check fuschia. Sorry for the overdo, but they are linked to the Islands and Cinnabar (Pallet and Fuschia are close, Viridian's leader visits Cinnabar).

**Phreack** · 2nd March 2006, 5:19 PM

Good find! Those caves look from the very very early stages of production. The second has something like a hole with water, I don't know why but it makes me think it's seafoam. Something that would be good to find is Cinnabar...

**Cifala** · 4th March 2006, 5:49 PM

About the beta cave tile set with the carts...maybe they wanted to make an underground city that you had to go deep to reach,but after uploading realised you couldn't FLY to it?

**Gulzar** · 5th March 2006, 3:28 AM

Very interesting thoughts. I would like to look further for the maps but my hex editor/viewer stopped working yesterday. I need to find a proper replacement: if anyone knows of a good hex viewer, please pm me.

**Cifala** · 5th March 2006, 3:57 AM

Maybe you should look for...
-a basement to Celadon Dept. Store.
-a more complete MT.Moon.
- Anything that was from Kanto in RBY that has changed drasticlly. What about above the waterfall in Mt.Silver?
- Tohjo falls. I dunno why...

**Gulzar** · 6th March 2006, 5:25 AM

I was able to find a new hex viewer: a freeware program called xvi32. I highly recommend it and it is free.
I will begin looking for more maps again. The actual searching has taken some time to get used to. The maps are based on the tileset values and the tileset values are based on the tile values, which can get a little complicated.
I will update again as soon as I find something interesting.

**setokaibarocket** · 6th March 2006, 12:17 PM

I recommend Hexecute, Translhextion and to view text Thingy32 for hex editing. Just a tip.

**Waffles** · 7th March 2006, 9:53 PM

Gulzar, how do you find the bank and map with Goldmap?

**Gulzar** · 8th March 2006, 1:13 AM

I found another beta map just by chance. It’s Beta Ecruteak City.

Beta Ecruteak

As you can see, the tileset is quite a bit different than the regular Ecruteak City tileset. In other words, no there weren’t any whirlpools planned for Ecruteak. Below is my idea of what the correct tileset would look like.

Idealized Beta Ecruteak

I hope this is interesting. Also,…

Waffles: I use a hex viewer to find the maps and tilesets and then use Goldmap to view the maps as image files. How I find the maps with the hex viewer is a little more complicated than that, and I consider it to be too difficult to try and explain on the forum. The technique I use is also somewhat of a trade secret, but I wouldn’t mind explaining it in a lengthy email.

I will continue looking for maps. I hope to find another cave soon.

**Phreack** · 8th March 2006, 1:40 AM

Now that's what I call a city. I think it was shaped like that to give the feel it was easier for the legendary dogs to run around it. I like the idealized one more than the actual map actually.

**Gulzar** · 9th March 2006, 12:52 AM

I have found one of the most startling beta maps I have ever seen.

Beta town

Here it is “idealized”

I have really no idea as to what it is. Suggestions?

**Locke Yggdrasill** · 9th March 2006, 1:05 AM

Reminds me of rosedale.

**Phreack** · 9th March 2006, 1:08 AM

Hmm maybe an inversed New Bark Town?? But very unprobable.

**Cifala** · 9th March 2006, 2:20 AM

WHAAAG! Maybe the last gym was to be near Tohjo falls...

**Gulzar** · 15th March 2006, 1:59 AM

Here are two new maps:

Beta Cherrygrove
Beta TR hideout

It seems that the “Beta town” that I posted previously was not Cherrygrove. Good guesses, though. The TR hideout is quite interesting, and I have no guesses of my own as to where it was intended to go. Suggestions?

**Phreack** · 15th March 2006, 3:32 PM

Beta Cherrygrove isn't that different but it doesn't have the lake to the guy who gives mystic water. And I think TR Beta map was a lower floor of Lake of Rage Hideout. Did you "idealize" them or did you find them like that?? Anyways good finds as always Gulzar! Thanks!

**Gulzar** · 15th March 2006, 10:21 PM

Here is another beta cave:

Beta Cave 4

Programming wise, it was located near the Burned Tower map, so I think it may have been a beta Burned Tower map. It may have been where the Legendary Dogs were supposed to be. Also, you can see that there is a grassy area in the cave. So far this is the most complete looking cave map I have found that has a grass area included in it.
Phreack: Beta Cherrygrove and Beta TR hideout were not idealized (they use regular tilesets). For future reference, I will always provide an un-idealized copy if there is one.

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