Pearlshipping General Discussion

[Mutilazione]

^ Unfortunately not, judging by the pictures. Haven't seen the episode yet though, so maybe there's something in it what can't be seen in the pictures. So I'll check that later alecs.

Haha. It's a scary thought, yeah? I think the artist in that picture made a smart move by not drawing the skirt and boots. I'm not sure I wanna see that much leg on Ash.

Well, I've recently seen Movie 9 and noticed in some swimming scenes that his legs look perfectly fine. But it's going downhill if he would wear that short skirt and those pink boots. Just let him wear his normal stuff.

I've been seeing the age difference arguement floating around alot lately, so it made me curious. Personally, I think it's just a lame way for people to make themselves feel more secure in their shipping of choice. Or it's from the few who take the age gap seriously.

IMO, it's just an endless discussion which leads to nearly nothing. As long as the writers don't mention the characters ages anywhere it's useless to make assumptions. I agree that there are small hints from years passing by in the anime, but it's not very accurate at any rate. It's better to give it a rest, it's pointless anyway. I guess.

Though, if Ash is at most 15, it still doesn't really matter in the end. 5 years isn't that big of a difference in most cases, it just seems like alot now.

Well, I've seen bigger gaps. Some even pass the 10 years.

It's different though. Pairing let's say.. someone who's 15 with someone who's 10 years old, then for example pairing an 40 and 35 year old together. While the gap is still exactly the same, it can be really different.

Truthfully, they act the same age anyway, or near enough for our purposes.

Dawn acts a lot like how Ash acted when he started on his journey and maybe also a little like Ash now. They both like to battle, they both are enthusiastic, also a little bit arrogant. Also very confident, sometimes a little overconfident. The only difference is that Dawn actually knows a little more about Pokémon and battling then Ash did when he started his journey. Dawn knows what she's doing right from the start, only the execution lacks sometimes - but there for she's just a beginner. Unlike Ash, he was pretty reckless when he first started as a trainer - but he's a well settled, experienced trainer now. At least in my point of view.

Like I said early before, it's better to drop the 'age' discussion, because it's pointless. So might as wel start a new topic then..

When did you start supporting Pearlshipping, and why?

I'll answer it myself later, of course...

Piccie~~


From: http://muimi.bitter.jp

[TheHolyShoe]

Yeah, it's a fairly standard looking episode from what I've seen of the pictures. Ah well.

Dawn acts a lot like how Ash acted when he started on his journey and maybe also a little like Ash now. They both like to battle, they both are enthusiastic, also a little bit arrogant. Also very confident, sometimes a little overconfident. The only difference is that Dawn actually knows a little more about Pokémon and battling then Ash did when he started his journey. Dawn knows what she's doing right from the start, only the execution lacks sometimes - but there for she's just a beginner. Unlike Ash, he was pretty reckless when he first started as a trainer - but he's a well settled, experienced trainer now. At least in my point of view.

Like I said early before, it's better to drop the 'age' discussion, because it's pointless. So might as wel start a new topic then..

Agreed on all points. Satoshi and Hikari are very similar, save for the obvious gender differences. Still, they each have their own quirks which helps to make them unique. I think as a trainer, Hikari's definitely got the better start. Satoshi had a lot of trouble starting out, so it's pretty hard not to start off better than he did (although Haruka had a pretty bad start as well). One of the similarities that looks quite possible is that Pochama might not evolve, similar to Pikachu. It's got alot more personality than most do (reminds me of Bulbasaur and Squirtle) so I'm not sure it'll ever evolve which is a good thing, in my view.

As for the question...

When did you start supporting Pearlshipping, and why?

Lessee...

I guess I had considered it when I first saw some of the pictures from the D/P anime. I mean, I thought they looked cute together, but I wasn't sure how well they would get along. At the time I was (and still am) an AdvanceShipper so I was a little reserved because of that. Anyway, it must've been after I'd watch like...eight or so of the D/P anime that I really started to heavily consider PearlShipping.

There are alot of reasons I really support this particular ship. One of the primary reasons is, of course, the similarities between the two. I sorta feel that it's easier to build a good relationship with someone who you can easily relate to than someone you've got a difficult time really getting to know. In the case of PokeShipping, there's alot of clash and misunderstanding between the two which despite the comedic value seems to be fairly detrimental to any real stable ship being formed.

A second reason I really enjoy this particular ship is that it uses the Master-Student type of relationship without making the Student overly relient on the Master. Its true that Hikari learns a fair bit from Satoshi, but she's still independent enough that she's got her own style and way of doing things. Of course, that's in part attributed to being reasonably skilled to begin with, but I guess a good example of what I'm talking about is in the Poketch episode. When they finally fight Team Rocket, it's Hikari who does all the fighting rather than lending support to Satoshi as Kasumi and Haruka often did. I haven't really seen much of her battle style, but it's definitely different from Satoshi's which is ultimately a good thing. I also like the fact that Satoshi has managed to learn from Hikari, specifically, that twirling dodge he uses against Hyouta during the rematch. And yeah, Hikari's being able to handle herself (she's thwarted Team Rocket several times on her own instead of just being Satoshi's back up) also makes this part important and enjoyable to me.

And third is the relationship they already have which either. The way they already interact is awesome. We've already discussed this in the thread but I really like how comfortable and friendly they are with each other. Like with the "High Five" deal, it's certainly not something to be read into as a romantic symbol but at the same time, I think it's a good showing of how close they are already. And really, he's never been the sort to be all that comfortable around girls, so that speaks volumes to me.

[Xx-Endless_Summer-xX]

When did you start supporting Pearlshipping, and why?

well basically when the new series started. before i saw the show i worried that dawn was going to be just like may which would make it boring, but she isn't and i've taken a liking to her and she goes well with ash. and i just got a scanner so i drew a picture...

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...g?t=1178443228

[Saiyajin-Neko]

When did you start supporting Pearlshipping, and why?

Hmmmkay, let me work on this.

I started to support PearlShipping preeetty much at the begining. Not by their interactions, when I say started I was already a huge fan of her as a person and her attitude. I really wanted to see how they were together, Hikari and Satoshi. And by the 6th episode I'd seen them together in I was really growing to love this ship. I've been a Pokeshipper for the longest time, since I started Pokemon (When it came out first time ever in the UK). Soooo I've been a fan of AAML for 8-9 years. Thats a long time.

So it was definately a shock to start being a Pearlshipper and it means a lot to me.

As to WHY I'm a fan.

Well for one she seems like if Satoshi (Ash) were to have a 'type' she would definately be it! With Haruka she was such a newbie and as that really has nothing to do with much, she was also very different from him. To me their best friends, thats how I view that particular relationship. Kasumi, as I'm still a Pokeshipper (However not so much now) I felt like she was good for one reason, the friction makes for interesting romance.

Hikari is just so different, she isn't naive and shy like Haruka, and she isn't out there tomboy like Kasumi. She fights a little at the start with Pochama, and where it wasn't like Satoshi and Pikachu, it was fun just the same and kind of gave me the impression that they would be good together. She is feminine, Haruka was too but in a different way. As the 'High Fives' gave me tingles, even if they aren't really a hint, the moments themselves prove something. That they have a relationship! It's something between the two of them that only they share, and thats important I believe. Not only all of these things but I just adore Mimimoru's crush on Pika!

One last thing! Hikari's interactions with Pikachu, and the way he copies her a lot, shows a huge trust from the Pokemon himself and that is VERY important, because Pikachu is Satoshi's most precious thing!

So that's why. :3 I hope I didn't repeat anything or offended anyone with all of my opinions.

[Mutilazione]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...g?t=1178443228

Cuuute~.. nicely drawn Xx-Endless_Summer-xX.

As for my own topic..

When did you start supporting Pearlshipping, and why?

When:

When I first saw pictures/posters/wallpapers and stuff floating around the web with Dawn on it, and it became clear that she was the next girl in the group. So that was a long time before she was actually introduced in the anime itself. I started to support it even without knowing how their relationship/interaction would turn out in the anime only because they looked cute together. So it was kinda weird to support a couple who never met yet. But after a few episodes, I liked it more because their relationship and interactions turned out to be very unique compared to the interaction Ash had with the other girls.

Why:

- Their interactions are just how I wanted them to be. They're friendly towards each others most of the time. They also bicker/argue sometimes but apologize to each others after they did. Which is good IMO, or else it could get really boring.
- Their relationship is fine in my books too. They're very good friends, maybe best friends. Hopefully in the future more then just '[best] friends'.
- Their relationship is also unique compared to the relationships Ash had with the other girls. For example the 'High Fiving' and Dawn dressing up as Cheerleader to help Ash win his rematch at the first gym. Romantic? No, but it shows how comfortable they're around each others, already.
- They're very similar. How they act in general and how they started their journey. I just like similarities and it also makes developing a relationship easier if you both are pretty much the same. Maybe Ash notices that Dawn is pretty much acts as how he did when he was younger. That could be an explanation to why he interacts to her differently then towards the other girls.
- Mentor/Student, not as much as with Ash/May, mainly because Dawn isn't really that bad right from the start, she knows what she's doing unlike May. Dawn is learning from Ash a fair bit, I think but she's also independent because she knows what she's doing and she doesn't really need all the help. I think she's willing to take Ash's advice and uses it with her own skill and knowledge to compete and improve herself.
- I like the fact that Dawn is learning from Ash, but also the other way around. At least a little bit I think. If you remember how Ash used those dodge moves in the rematch at the first gym. He picked that up from her the episode before while she was battling. That made me like the ship more.
- I want Ash to get involved in major ship again. He hasn't been in one since Pokéshipping. Not counting some other smaller and less important ships because they were just 1 or 2 episodes. So let's hope it's Pearlshipping.
- I think that Dawn is definitely Ash's type of girl. Not to mention that they both look very good just standing next to each others. Okay, thats random... errr but they DO!

That's pretty much all I can think off at the moment.

Well, we all pretty much agree that they're very close friends and have a great relationship. I often read others opinions that such a close friendship would make a further development of a relationship impossible to more 'romantic' levels. I personally think that's a load of nonsense, but I would also want to hear your opinions about that subject. So might as well make new topic about it, since I'm curious....

Do you think that Ash & Dawn's friendship makes it impossible to develop their relationship any further?

I'll answer myself later, of course.

[aegis]

May i join? I really like pearlshipping and Ash and Dawn are so cute together.

As for the topic:

Do you think that Ash & Dawn's friendship makes it impossible to develop their relationship any further?

No, i don't think. I mean i really don't see how Ash & Dawn's friendship could prevent further development.There are lots of people who before they became a couple where close friends and that could be with Dawn and Ash.They don't have to be awkward or shy around each other to develop a romantic relationship.

[TheHolyShoe]

Ahhhh~

Well, not really surprising, but it looks like we all agree on the reasons why we support PearlShipping. I’d very much agree that if Satoshi had a “type”, I think Hikari would be it. Someone who has a love for battling and an enthusiasm that matches his own. As for the new topic…

Do you think that Ash and Dawn’s friendship makes it impossible to develop their relationship any further?

This has been something I’ve been reading about with a large amount of interest on Bulbagarden for a while now. The way the theory goes is that because of how comfortable they are with each other, Satoshi and Hikari have no “sexual tension” between them. Commonly, said tension is thought to be manifest in the form of constant bickering (EG: PokeShipping).

Now, there are a few problems I have with this right off the bat. Primarily, I have trouble associating bickering with love. Why? Because bickering is typically a factor of personality. Bickering and arguing tends to occur when two people with a reasonable relationship have conflicting views and personalities. I have a few friends with whom I bicker with a lot. Does this mean there’s any sexual tension between us? Not really. It’s simply that we have opposite views on a number of issues. Let’s take a common example. If you had a friend that was a PokeShipper whom you talked to on a regular basis, you would probably bicker with them over which Ship is better, right? Or, if you were a fan of Satoshi and your friend was a fan of Shigeru, you might bicker and argue over them, correct? So really, a couple would only bicker if their personalities and/or views were opposite in some nature (EG: Kasumi’s more experienced views v. Satoshi’s more naïve views.)

That being said, the association between bickering and love commonly comes from the idea of an old, bickering couple. People assume that a couple that bickers is a good couple. To be honest, that seems like a load of bollocks to me. Certainly, the occasional bit of arguing can be funny in a couple, but one that’s always fighting? That doesn’t seem like a healthy base for a relationship to me.

Bickering is also common in rivalry based relationships, such as Satoshi and Shigeru’s. Within the Indigo League, every time they met was laden with bickering and the tension that rivalry brings. So, by the logic that bickering is a sure sign of attraction between two parties, any rival pair must also harbor a degree of attraction and romantic feelings. Conversely, by this logic, it is impossible for any other pairing to practically exist. Thus, the generalization becomes that all couples must constantly bicker in order to stand a chance. If we compare that to real world scenarios, I think we can easily debunk that. Young couples that argue and bicker are the least likely to survive the trial of time, whereas those that are based more around mutual interests and trust are more likely.

Now, back to sexual tension. Sexual tension is that impalpable sensation that there is a degree of attraction between two people and that they are aware of the attraction. Usually, this seems to be a factor of the fact that there is an awkwardness brought by neither acting on their hidden feelings. It seems logical to think that a lack of sexual tension is equivalent to a lack of romantic possibility, but this isn’t the case. What a lack of tension does imply is that either A) there are no feelings, currently or B) there are feelings, but neither party is aware of these feelings. In either case, it’s impossible to dismiss the shipping on an immediate basis. Not every relationship is based on love at first sight, despite Takeshi’s numerous attempts to prove otherwise. Though I hate to use it as an example, ContestShipping could be used to drive this point. In the beginning, all feelings were rivalry based. In other words, there was no Romantic attractions, at least on Haruka’s side, until later on. Knowing both Satoshi and Hikari, even if feelings existed or began to exist, I think they’d both by fairly oblivious about it until it was made obvious by an outside stimulus.

Aside from that, just because two people are close friends doesn’t mean that they can’t develop deeper feelings for each other. The speed at which Hikari and Satoshi became close friends really suggests, at least to me, that they’re drawn to each other in some capacity. I think that they have a rather decent chance at developing romantic feelings for each other, actually, as a result of this closeness. It may not be as blatant or obvious as say Kasumi’s feelings were, but I think we’ll see something develop. It’d be really nice to see Satoshi having a decent ship again. And Hikari, I don’t think there are many plausible choices for her at the moment. Kengo is probably a one-shot character. Shinji is…well, he’s Shinji (Though I’d love to see him travel with the gang). And Nozomi is relatively unknown at the moment, but she seems more like an older sister type character. So, to answer the question, no, I don’t believe that it lowers the chances at all. I think it helps, personally. (Sorry for the lengthy post/rant thingy)

[lilrumpkinkb]

Hey everyone!

When did you start supporting Pearlshipping, and why?

Well, when I first saw the revelation of the two main characters for the DP games, I immeadiatly knew the female would be corporated some way or another into the anime, and then I got the idea that they would be a cute couple ad what-not. Sobasically, some time after the pic of hikari was released, i came o the shippers section and saw fellow shipper dannyphantomhott stata thread for the ocuple and luckily, I've had the chance to be here with PearlShipping since the beginning of the thread. now that i look back on it, it's kind of humorus that an anti-PSer was the person who named our beloved ship.

Also, does anyone know what happened to dannyphantomhott? I took a break around the New Year, and she was banned a lot then, and Im just wondering if she left or has goes under a new username.

[aegis]

TheHolyShoe, those are some interesting points you make,but i have been wondering something.If Ash and Dawn were to develop romantic feelings for each other, then how it will play out once DP ends? I wonder if Pearlshipping will have the same ending as Pokeshipping.

[alecsdell100]

Heres another song that hikari could sing
to satoshi:

Every time I look up into the tear-filled sky,
A fickle wave of blue binds my chest.If it's destiny, I will leave behind the days
That I've fought till the end of sorrow.Life Goes On, passionately.
As long as I am alive,
Even if I were to lose sight of my real self,
Life Goes On, I want to protect it.
My heart was shattered,
And in these eyes that have seen true sorrow,
Love is overflowing.The flowers that bloom in winter paints a misty landscape.
"Strength is tenderness" I sang.For what and for who
Do you continue to fight for now?Life Goes On, be reborn.
If we unknowing meet again,
I don't want to lose you a second time, but
Life Goes On. In this era,
As long as I am given life,
I catch it with these arms and this chest.
Believe in love.I can feel your heart in motion, deep down in your mind and passion.
Life goes on and on, we love each other in the sadness of time.Life Goes On, passionately.
As long as I am alive,
I want to share this light with you again someday.
Life Goes On, I want to protect it.
Send your prayers towards the sky.
In these eyes that have seen true sorrow,
Love is overflowing.

in Japanese:
namida de nijinda kono sora wo miageru tabi
hakanai aosa ga mune wo shimedzuketekusadame nara kanashimi no hate made
tatakaitsudzuketa hibi wo ato niLife Goes On moeagaru
inochi ga aru kagiri
shinjitsu no jibun sae miushinaisou soredemo
Life Goes On mamoritakute
kokoro wa kudakarete
hontou no kanashimi wo shitta hitomi wa
ai ni afuretefuyu ni saku hana ga kasumu keshiki irodoru
"tsuyosa wa yasashisa" sou utaikaketerunan no tame dare no tame ni kimi wa
tatakaitsudzukeru no darou imaLife Goes On umarekawari
itsushika deaeru nara
kore ijou mou nido to ushinaitaku wa nai demo
Life Goes On kono toki ni
umaretekita kagiri
kono ude de kono mune de ima uketomeyou
ai wo shinjite I can feel your heart in motion, deep down in your mind and passion.
Life goes on and on, we love each other in the sadness of time.Life Goes On moeagaru
inochi ga aru kagiri
itsu no hi ka mou ichidou hikari wo wakachiaitai
Life Goes On mamoritakute
inori wo sora ni hasete
hontou no kanashimi wo shitta hitomi wa
ai ni afurete....

[freedom-123]

can i like participate in this discussion even without me joining? since im kinda faithful to advanceshipping still...even though the thread is like dead.

when did i start supporting pearl shipping and why?

i guess wen i saw the hi5 and the hikari proving herself scenes i had to think carefully lol because to have such an early hint was kinda extraordinary...it seemed like the authors jumped right into it this time.

Do you think that Ash and Dawn’s friendship makes it impossible to develop their relationship any further?

nah i think its still possible to develop romantic feelings, and im quite happy to say think that this ship might become a piece of cake by the end of sinnoh...i mean NO ONE, i repeat NO ONE went as far as to dress up as a cheer leader to cheer ash on o_O. though i really want advanceshipping to become cannon, i am also neutral about pearlshipping becoming canon, so long as may doesnt end up with that green haired snob...no offense to those who like him...

oh...and on a side note...

I want Ash to get involved in major ship again. He hasn't been in one since Pokéshipping. Not counting some other smaller and less important ships because they were just 1 or 2 episodes. So let's hope it's Pearlshipping.

wasnt advanceshipping major enough for you? o.O i mean...it was pretty big back in those AG days even though its kinda dead now...

[ClowSui]

May I join this club? I like the pairing a lot; although its hard for me to watch stuff from what I've read and screenshots it seems as though this is a great pairing for me to write about and what not~

[freedom-123]

alright lemme start a topic...i hope noone used it before...plz tell me if someone has

do you guys consider th hi5s to be a hint? i mean...out of 2 contests there were 2 hi5s and both well...pretty emphasized by the authors.

[ClowSui]

I think this was said earlier and if it was it's also of my opinion:
I think the high fives are a vote of familiarity between Hikari and Satoshi; they show their apparent comfort with each other. If anything, it shows how friendly they are already and how fast their relationship might develop.

And here's my own question
If I(clowsui) was to write a Pearlshipping fic, what would people like to see in it and how would people want it written (i.e. series of isolated moments in the manner of one-shots, chapter-based, just a one-shot, etc.)?

[freedom-123]

go with lots of chaps but long and good ones like cybercubed did with "two of a kind" and make hikari do something really bad to ash and have them ignore each other for a long time...until somehow they made up to each other and make the romance start from there =P

this thread is dead...in a way >.>

[alecsdell100]

Question any possible future hints
in the next episode? besides high-5
and jealousy

[pearlshippinglover]

Trust me people, Pearlshipping has an 98% of happening. The fact that they're similar in many ways.

In a certain episode, a guy named Kengo was jealous of Ash being with Hikari. It's true!

[freedom-123]

^ people thought that was a big hint for penguinshipping or whatever it is called. i dont think it did pearl shippers any good in terms of what others thought

[alecsdell100]

Really i don't remember kengo being jealous
just because that hikari was spending time
with satoshi

[Rufos]

Why nobody havent written anything here for a couple of the days?