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    Default Art Rules - Updated 22/10/06 - READ

    Admins, S mods, edit as you please.

    Okay then, y’all know the drill by now I HOPE. So, then, here are the rules for the art forum.

    Beneath the second post on this thread is another post about general artwork
    I advise it is read as it is informative and could prove useful.



    --CONCERNING POSTING OF ART--


    1) Attachments are not big enough to hold art files.

    Period.

    Don't even try because the server will not let you. Not even a sprite could pass the size limit.

    To post your picture, link to it from another server via the http:// link. It is preferred that you do not post the picture as an image but rather link it because if your picture is too big, it will not be very fun to load for those with slow connections, so exhibit some common courtesy and please direct link your images instead of showing them as the image itself.

    You may use gallery services such as Deviantart but please link by http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/39481529/ url and not your gallery url.

    If you need a place to upload your files that is reliable, try the following websites:

    Uploadit.org, Webshots, Photobucket

    More will be posted, as they are proven reliable. The minimum services on all three sites are free.


    2) Artistic nudity is allowed under certain conditions. Always note that there is a difference between "artistic nudity" and "pornography".

    Artistic nudity is basically a picture that idolizes the body, perhaps in a drawing of a pregnant Pokemon. This can be showing beauty in artistic form.

    Pornography is showing off of private areas rather mindlessly that doesn't have much artistic value and aims rather to, er, arouse someone rather than give them eye candy. Generally these are also questionably positioned a well

    Also, the "direct link your images" rule in artistic nudity is a MUST. The reason for this is if someone accidentally clicks on your link and right there in their face is a picture of nudity, which would be especially bad if they were underage and of course some people may feel offended.

    A small warning to say it contains such artwork would also be advisable, just in case. If you are unsure if your artwork would be acceptable for view, just pm a mod and we’ll clear it for you soon as possible.


    3) Stealing is bad, even ILLEGAL and will not be tolerated.

    It is no excuse if it's art from someone's site, art done by a friend, or just stolen and lied about. Don't even post art from a friend you got permission to. If they want to post their own art, they can sign up and post it themselves. A picture falls into the stolen category if you basically claim it as your own or don't give credit for it.

    Stealing from someone will monger you an instant warning and possible ban if you are notorious for crime in the art forum.


    Tracing and coloration of a picture is sort of an iffy subject. We don't mind if you trace a drawing to make it look better or color a scan from a manga or something.

    Just PLEASE give credit to the original artist/site or it will be considered stolen. Myself, I've traced and colored pictures before, and given credit after asking permission. Just... remember to get credit because as stated, theft is not taken lightly.


    --CONCERNING COMMENTARY--

    4) DO NOT POST SAYING "wow that is the best art ever 10/10!!!" I cannot stress this enough. You can think that you're helping the artist but you're really not.

    An example?

    "good job vibrant colors this deserves 9/10 "

    No. That's not how comments are supposed to be. Do you know what that's considered? Right, spam. So don't do it. This is your LAST warning, because we are SO SICK of deleting all those comments. So if we see spam, we're going to

    1) Delete it
    2) Warn the author
    3) See if they've spammed more so they can get their second warning and be banned for a week

    What you need to do: NOT USE THE NUMBER RATING SYSTEM. Unless you've given at least a paragraph, or a few sentences, of criticism, we don't want you posting (Unless you're posting art, of course). We'd like to keep this art forum nice and clean.

    Artists usually like hearing feedback and criticism-- saying "good job i love it best pciture vevar!!!!1" doesn't cut it, either. So please, think before you post or you may find yourself being banned for a week.


    An example of a good critique procedure is as follows:

    1. What they like about them
    2. What needs to be improved on the artwork
    3. What the artists needs to do to improve his/her art abilities for the future

    These three sentences will help the artist improve his/her art abilities and gain confidences to do it. Also it'll help to know the art vocabulary or at least go to art school to learn how to do constructive criticism.

    The number system only works if you actually take the artwork apart, grade each and every part of that artwork and including the paragraph of why you give it that grade, and then average them up to give the final score with the final word. - Dr. MECha

    Below this post you will also see an Advanced Critique guide, there to help YOU.


    5) "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

    Flaming of art is unacceptable. If you dislike a piece of art, you can say so in a polite way why you dislike it (and the reason had better be good), or you can not say anything at all. Heck, flaming of ANYTHING in art warrants a big warning. You're all big boys and girls, you should know better. Being constructive and flaming the hell out of artwork are very different.


    6) Try to stay on-topic.

    Self-explainatory. Try not to ask someone "how they made a picture" or if the topic has digressed, don't keep it going by adding on. Get back on topic because we don't want to have to do a mass deletion of stupid posts.


    --OTHER ISSUES OF CONCERN--

    7) Mod-whoring/Mini modding is looked down upon.

    That's right, you heard me. Let the mods do their job and you do yours. We know that your heart is in the right place when you tell someone "you spammed!" or "your picture is illegal!", but posting in that manner is, believe it or not, considered spam. Contacting a mod to take care of the problem ASAP is the best option you have.

    Use the "Report Post" button if you think there is something wrong with it, or if trouble begins to brew and there's no mods around to assist you. If you want a quick fix, you can even swing by the chat and ask for one of the active Mods, S Mods or Admins to help.


    8) Contray to popular belief, non-Pokemon pictures, original fan art, whatever, any sort of art are allowed to be posted.

    Don't hesitate to post your new Final Fantasy fan art, or your new Dragonball Z sketch. We won't turn down pictures that don't relate to Pokemon.


    9) Use your common sense.

    If a post or situation is questionable and not listed here in the rules, think about it for a moment. If you don't know whether to post something, think: "does it contribute to the artist?" "is it beneficial to the forum?" and other sorts of questions. See things from both sides, and from others' perspectives.

    If you think people will react with hostility towards your post or you are unsure if your post is spam, it most likely is/will be. If you're still DYING to post though you're unsure of it and are afraid of breaking a rule, contact a mod about it and see if it needs corrections.


    10) Do not request in a place that is meant to showcase art.

    Yeah, you heard me. I've gotten a complaint and that's the last straw. Guys, really, if the person doesn't blatantly say that they are taking requests, don't request. The forum is to show your art and receive comments, not to request.

    There is a subforum for that. So basically, if you wanna request but that person doesn't have a thread in the proper forum, then PM them. It's just been getting a bit out of hand.


    11) DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT POST SAYING YOU WILL FOLLOW THE RULES. THAT IS ABSOLUTE SPAM AND WILL RESULT IN A WARNING.

    We've seen this, and it shouldn't even happen, so CUT IT OUT.


    --CONCERNING PHOTOGRAPHY—

    I am afraid that photography is NOT allowed in the fanart area. The reason for this is thee is another area called Digital media where it can be placed for view; it also makes it far more likely your work will be noticed.



    Well, that's about it. If you have a question, a suggestion, a whatever, post here and we'll deal with it. ^_^


    All edits done by Zephyr Flare
    Last edited by Zephyr Flare; 24th October 2006 at 1:51 PM.


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    Default Advanced Critiquing Guide (Some Notes to Artists too)

    Lately I've been seeing my fill of trite and pointless comments in response to some people's art. Artists can be sensitive what you say to them in response to their art. After all some of them are "starving artists" and they feed from the comments. Okay, bad joke, moving on...

    Artists should not post solely for praise (if you do there could be some problems down the road).

    Pay attention to the notes from the artist so that you can critique properly. When an artist writes notes below or above the image it can be vital to understanding the piece.

    This was done by me so I don't have to deal with permission issues from anyone else.

    Alright, let's start critiquing. Just not in this thread, I've already received critique on this.

    http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9875/nikki59yf.png

    Quote Originally Posted by Artist's Note
    This is Nikki, she is an anthropomorphic Espeon. A request from Clockworkz.
    Right then and there you know what the purpose of this drawing serves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Horrible Critique that'll eventually get you banned from this forum
    LOLZ u is lik teh furry! OMG OMG or You suck at art, leave now before I gouge my eyes out with a cheese grader.
    The art forum is for critique and observation of art, flaming and comments that is flame bait will likely get you in a flame war or banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Critique
    Okay, it's good.
    How is it good? Many artists regardless of how good they are are not content with how good/bad something is. They want to know why and how they can improve.

    Quote Originally Posted by Good Critique
    It's not bad, she has pretty eyes, I like the defeated feel that you have given her as well.
    You tell the artist what you like about the particular piece. That's one thing the artist likes hearing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excellent Critique
    You're improving, what I am confused about though is where the light source comes from. The shading that you applied looks a little weird without a definite light source. Her face looks a little awkward too. Just practice on your shading a bit. You also might want to flip through this too http://www.polykarbon.com/tutorials/. I like softness of her eyes too. Keep on practicing!
    You tell the artist what you like about the piece and the artist knows what to improve on. Huzzah, you have graduated from critique school!

    Hope this helps you guys a bit.
    Last edited by Infinity; 31st March 2006 at 7:37 AM.
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    I have something that I'd like to add. Its in reference to the person posting art.

    If you're doing a drawing based off of a specific story, style, or one of your own characters fabricated from your imagination, do say so in your first post and provide information on such things. Make your intentions, ambitions, and purpose for the piece evident. Not everyone has the "artist's eye" and will be able to automatically acquire the message, and they may critique something that looks wrong to them, but was intended by you. For example:


    This is a picture by Claude Monet, entitled Water Lily Pond. Monet was a well-known impressionist, and someone may comment on the picture not being messy and claim the intended picture to be undefined. Veritibly, the is picture is done in the art technique called impressionism, which is a style of painting that is characterized, primarily, by concentration on the general impression produced by a scene or object and the use of unmixed primary colors and small strokes to simulate actual reflected light. The brush strokes are meant to appear as such.

    For a more simpler example, look at this picture. Now the style used here in common in both comic book and cartoon characters - Big feet and hands, but skinny arms and legs, with frequently large heads/hairstyles. I do admit that at times the style may be unappealing, but it is not meant to be realistic anatomy-wise. Quite the contrary, characters of this sort do follow a specified and correct framework. Allow me to explain, within cartooning, your human characters do follow specific anatomy guidelines based upon age.

    Try to help others in critiquing, make yourself clear, it may cut down on the amount of imbecilic responses that come. If you didn't want to overshade, say so, if you did not want to shade at all, say so, if you only wanted to apply a little bit of shading, say so, if you didn't mean for your character to look realistic, say so, and if your character had a large -insert body part here- be sure so say so, no everyone will be able to catch on as quick. If you made a mistake, don't be afraid to admit it. Don't try to cover up your mistakes/shortcomings by saying: "I meant for it to be like that." (when iyou didn't) or "It's supposed to be like that." (when it isn't)

    Conclusively, as Infinity has stated, don't just point out what's bad and leave it at that. It would be best if you also included some helpful hints or tips that could help the artist improve.
    Saying:
    The shading is unsubstantial, I despise the pose, and your anatomy is horrid. I don't like it, keep practicing!
    Congratulations, you have just said nothing worth noting.
    However:
    The shading isn't done too well, you might want to try using much brighter colors to reflect the highlights; you could also, utilize the -insert tool- because you're using -insert image program-. Your anatomy is far from perfect, but don't worry as most artists do have trouble when it comes to perfect anatomy. Might I suggest you practice by drawing different realistic animals to improve your style, and study the basic bone structure and muscle placement. Don't rush, sketch out at least four different pictures before you decide on your final version. Make sure to keep practicing.
    Give suggestions based off of your own experience, learnings, or provide images/links that would help.
    A person who knows how to critique also knows that an artist's feelings for his work can be quite fragile. Its good to be truthful, but make an effort in trying to encourage the person as well.

    Note: It would also do you some good to stay away from number ratings. Saying: "That's awesome! I like it! It's Perfect! 10/10" Is most annoying and pointless.

    Never refer to something as perfect, as there is no perfection within the world of art. Everything, no matter how impeccable it may look, has its flaws. You may think that you are boosting the artist's confidence, but you are actually hurting them more than helping them. Even I hate to hear someone say that my art or a picture that I drew is perfect; it is not, I know its not, and a plethora of others know as well. Stop with the perfect, as no one's work is perfect and there is always room for improvement.

    Psycho
    Last edited by Akilah Imani; 20th March 2006 at 7:26 AM.

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    --CONCERNING PHOTOGRAPHY—

    I am afraid that photography is NOT allowed in the fanart area. The reason for this is thee is another area called Digital media where it can be placed for view; it also makes it far more likely your work will be noticed.
    Does this mean that you are not allowed to take photos of your drawings etc and send them?

    P.S:I don't have a scanner!

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