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    Dawn of a New Era

    After popping Team Rocket's Balloon, Ash & Dawn argue about Hikari's experience. Dawn is eager to show her worth as a trainer and challenges a trainer who has the Pokémon Budew. It is Dawn's first battle with her new Pokémon, will Piplup be able to defeat Budew despite the type disadvantage?

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    Pochama's evolution is smaller than I thought it would be. Masukippa looks to be Victreebel all over again. Meh.

    LMAO @ Roselia getting KOd immediately after it just evolved. Can't be good for the thing's self-esteem...
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    OH. MY. HOLY.SOCK. BASKET!
    Pottashi looks freaking AWESOME! Oh GOD, it's like Combusken mrk. 2 or something! Jebus effing christ, Hikari's penguin needs to grow up and evolve in that water 'shamo ASAP! So freakin' adorable! ~^.^~

    That was easily the best part of this episode.

    Masukippa can try to be Victreebel, but without the ear-splitting scream, it'll never come close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravy View Post
    OH. MY. HOLY.SOCK. BASKET!
    Pottashi looks freaking AWESOME! Oh GOD, it's like Combusken mrk. 2 or something! Jebus effing christ, Hikari's penguin needs to grow up and evolve in that water 'shamo ASAP! So freakin' adorable! ~^.^~

    That was easily the best part of this episode.

    Masukippa can try to be Victreebel, but without the ear-splitting scream, it'll never come close.
    Good, I hated Victreebel...

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    I havent seen the episode yet because it hasnt been released...but lets just say that I already knew Ash would get a Naetle ;X


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    So it appears that Subomi uses some attacks that are new to the 4th Gen... can anybody tell what they are and perhaps what they do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thores View Post
    So it appears that Subomi uses some attacks that are new to the 4th Gen... can anybody tell what they are and perhaps what they do?
    There wasn't any new ones. Subomi used Bullet Seed, Solar Beam and Mega Drain. Then Sunny Day after it evolved.

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    Finally! Pikachu wins its first official battle in Shinou. I feel so proud. I didn't expect to see Pottashi though. That was a nice bonus. Although I was a bit dissapointed at how predictable this episode was, with Pochama losing and all.
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    Hikari and Ash getting into a fight complete with Brock telling them to knock it off reminds me of Misty.

    Hikari, hello? You're the girl who wanted to travel with Ash/Brock in the first place, if you can't stand Ash already, why not travel by yourself like you were originally planning on doing? Hikari traveling with them in the first place makes little sense, unlike May, who basically needed to learn from Ash to get anywhere.

    The rest of the episode looks fairly good, but the D/P saga so far does give me an AG vibe. At least the D/P saga isn't any worse than AG, but it's certainly not any better either. It's a consistent quality but it needs some originality.

    I guess this basically proves that the D/P saga will stick to the same formula we had for years, ah well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    Hikari and Ash getting into a fight complete with Brock telling them to knock it off reminds me of Misty.

    Hikari, hello? You're the girl who wanted to travel with Ash/Brock in the first place, if you can't stand Ash already, why not travel by yourself like you were originally planning on doing? Hikari traveling with them in the first place makes little sense, unlike May, who basically needed to learn from Ash to get anywhere.

    The rest of the episode looks fairly good, but the D/P saga so far does give me an AG vibe. At least the D/P saga isn't any worse than AG, but it's certainly not any better either. It's a consistent quality but it needs some originality.

    I guess this basically proves that the D/P saga will stick to the same formula we had for years, ah well.
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    Having seen the episode...
    So it appears that Hikari is trying to catch the bunny poke again. Ash tries to get involved and somehow when Hikari is throwing the pokeball it winds up hitting Ash. they are argueing. Pocchama is upset that the bunny runs away. They are still argueing and then Brock yells at both of them and the light gives way to subomi. They meet up with Naoshi. Hikari and Naoshi battle, Hikari loses. They are walking back and Brock introduces Bonsly and tells them that its his only pokemon. They meet up at the pokemon center. It isnt clear from pics but it appears Hikari looks at Brock's book to see a bunch of Nurse Joy pics and then Brock runs up and does his usual thing. Hikari talks to mom and Ash registers for the Shinou league. Random Pottashi cameo and Hikari dexes it. Naoshi actually looks like a pretty cool character. As well as an original design. He drops Subomi off at poke center. TR does some lame antic that fails miserably and Masukippa always stays attached to the side of James head. The crew and Naoshi go to a campfire. All these random pokemon appear as he plays a song. They are talking and Ash tells them about his Ho-oh sighting at the beggining of his journey and I believe Hikari recalls her emerito sighting. Pikachu battles Subomi and they are both fighting well. Subomi then evolves to Roselia. Roselia gets KO's with iron tail.

    Brock seemed to have more attention than normal in AG. It may just be the beggining episodes though.
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    It was a good episode, but nothing we haven't seen in this show before.

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    From what I saw I enjoyed the Hikari/Ash fighting, it did remind me of Misty/Ash a little, they faught about every thing from what it seemed from the pictures. I enjoyed it though, can't wait for next week's, why did Brock only bring one freakin Pokemon if he knows about Team Rocket? LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyphantomhott View Post
    why did Brock only bring one freakin Pokemon if he knows about Team Rocket? LOL.
    Because Brock likes to purposely handicap himself so the heroes, (either Ash and May or Ash and Hikari) do all the battling.

    Why do you think Brock always stands there like a statue as the others face off against Team Rocket instead of helping them?

    The writers only having Brock bring Bonsly pretty much proves the writers consider him to be nothing more than a third wheel.

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    Just saw the episode and from what I saw it was ok, though it seemed a little boring. I thought the part in the begin where Hikari threw the pokeball at Ash was pretty funny, this eventually lead to them to fight for the rest of the episode. Later now they argued about where to go first, contest or gym. Not a great way to start a new relationship I have to say. Can't wait for the next.
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    Hooray! Seviper, Cacnea and Dustox are in the (okay) opening!

    They are staying!

    Anyway, the episode was okay. All I saw was more of the same. Hopefully that will change with the coming of more episodes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serebii
    After popping Team Rocket's Balloon, Ash 7 Hikari argue about Hikari's experience. HIkari is eager to show her worth as a trainer and challenges a trainer who has the Pokémon Subomi. It is Hikari's first battle with her new Pokémon, will Pochama be able to defeat Subomi despite the type disadvantage?
    Is the bolded part correct? The part with Team Rocket is very stupid. They can see the freaking R!!! Well, thats all my comments.
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    Their is that wascly wabbit again!

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    Decent episode but nothing special. At least we got a good battle. I miss Sceptile .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabuto
    At least we got a good battle.
    The only complaint i have about the battle is Mukkuru should've been the one fighting to TAKE VENGENCE FOR TAILOW LOOSING TO ROSELIA LONG AGO!!!!!!!

    Funny thing is i expected this episode to focus on Hikari more, which didn't happen, heck Ash's battle was longer than hers it seems, and at least unlike Nicholai we got to see the battle end.

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    OH!

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    The reason why Ash was arrogant towards Hikari was probably because he was reeling from the insults that Shinji said about him in the last ep.

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    Hm, well I would say this episode was subpar to the debut. Usually only the debut seems to be good, then there's a dropoff, then there are bypassable episodes, with a select few good to watch inbetween.

    + Mega Drain. Monster ball hit. Bickering. Pokemon incorporation.

    - Distorted figures. Character incorporation. Several oddities.

    Naoshi as filler was interesting (or maybe he'll be recurring). As a non-main character, there was good incorporation and no significant imbalance. He wasn't cheesy either.

    Even though Hikari was smart enough to figure out that peck would be super effective on grass types, in the anime it is a terrible choice because it forces the user to charge into the opponent. (This was different than Nagi using peck, which was done after the distance was closed, and after Oosubame lost flight control). Seriously, going with bubblekousen would have been much better. Unless they suddenly throw in grass types absorbing the water or something, explosive bubbles seem the way to start the battle.

    Then again with Pikachu winning with Iron Tail (and Thunderbolt being really effective in terms of net damage), it further applies that "level" or "experience" or "strength" probably is much better than a peck that forces a melee condition (and peck is also weak offensively that it probably never finishes the opponent either). Obviously both steel and electric attacks are not very effective, but no it was really useful if not too useful.

    So so far, Pikachu is imbalanced in the sense that Iron Tail is one hit KOing things (particularly baby classified pokemon). (Okay fine, it one hit KO'd Pochama with Thunderbolt)

    If Mega Drain was that good (it's not straightforward, doesn't look dodgeable, fires quickly, recovers a lot, and looks like it's homing too!) ... then Giga Drain is like more flashing (note in-game animation) with 1.5x power ... but what makes me interested is how Absorb would be half as good xP (and it's terrible in-game).

    The bickering was at a fair level. Though, D/P tends to have lots of exaggerations to things. It's a nice concept but also rather pointless. And yes, bickering with Haruka in AG was actually less frequent by a large amount since Haruka is not one that even has a tendency to argue (and it's not preferences either. Haruka's context of arguments were more of personal tastes, but Hikari's seems to be of flaws or something different)

    Hikari going straight for the Grand Festival doesn't make sense. It explains the contest intent, but it doesn't explain the decision to not go for gyms. Seriously, go dual! Obviously dual will never happen with a main character due to role specialisation, but at least Hikari has more battle intent than Haruka. If Hikari doesn't implement some kind of kickass system to contests that is new and tasteful, then her route would indeed be a disappointment. Unfortunately contests is also the component that can break her character. With components of this episode, concern should arise.

    Pochama having that super low move pool of three attacks is quite limiting. Hikari really needs a secondary pokemon.

    And yes I'd agree that Hikari's condition to join travelling wasn't really 100% sure thing. Then again, that occured for both Kasumi and Haruka, so thinking that makes it less bothersome. And no, Haruka did not need Satoshi. Travelling with Satoshi simply makes travelling more convenient and results in new possibilities in what can be learned during travels.

    Pokemon still are being incorporated well. Though, obviously this was not a showcasing episode. Since that has not started to brew, I am not bothered by it yet. So, D/P has yet to have the giant flaw that both mid-Jouto and mid-Houen had. To avoid D/P having excess amounts of that, throw in TG XD

    Distorted figures only applies to sometimes weird drawings in the sense that the characters look out of proportion.

    Obviously Hikari has components that could be considered similar enough to Haruka and Kasumi, but never enough effect to be specifically a rehash of either. An obvious difference is calling the professor or mom, which the other girls I believe did not really do (and if they did, not that often).

    The group effect didn't seem that strong either. Takeshi being support is normal, Satoshi being Satoshi is normal. However, aside from the bickering, having the characters around at the same time doesn't seem very meaningful.

    A lot of context in the episode also felt somewhat redundant.

    Pokemon using their pokemon cry (or saying their name) I don't recall occured that often while being returned (under something disappointing like a loss or a failure to find something). It's like they're speaking while being returned, sort of like an interruption, haha. Kind of depressing (but good in the sense that you do sense the sadness, I guess)

    I also guess that the only way to make Hikari flawed is either by indirect "nerfing" or just mistake prone. Haruka's flaw in battle was being blank. Shrug, I prefer a flaw that's more creative (I can't recall all the Kantou Satoshi flaws though, but some of those were better).

    Since Hikari is running the group effect, you get less of the ditsy component, so this episode had like no chance of things like slipping off the road, sliding down a small hill, running over a rock, not watching the road, or ninja evasion.

    Hikari also wasn't as physical as her debut, though I suppose only her debut could contain so much of it reasonably. There is almost no need to apply any anime faces, any Pochama bickering, or any rapid movement. Nearly all of Hikari's debut abilities are non-existant in episode four due to the group and group incorporation effect. This I find this a tremendous weakness.

    Oh but the music is D/P is very nice! Opening I suppose was good, and the ending was really good (doesn't seem fitting for this episode though, but it was very fitting for the debut ... well the 3rd episode end of it). Music score within episode felt like a definite plus too.

    Yes, the flaws of the implementation of Hikari start to brew. Her independent effect I thought was much, much better. Her group effect seems subpar to that of Kantou Kasumi. Haruka's implementation had more of a needs effect, but wasn't too much different.

    Perhaps I'll look into a different episode when it comes out.

    I do like how there are larger sequences of events. Even though the episode title was all about Hikari's first battle, it still incorporated several different things. Though, it wasn't as rapid fire as the debut.

    D/P definitely has a different feel (until semi-reshashing events occur), but sometimes it feels really distorted too. It ignored quite a lot of things. It was like there's nicer music score and better incorporation of things, but there didn't seem to be a large strength in plot. It feels like a mix of many different things that did not necessarily correlate to one another.

    Eh, currently the group effect seems awkward. That's what I think for the most part.

    EDIT: Is it me, or has the rocket gang so far for the most part "self destruct"? In the debut, the ballon explosion was self caused. The mech destruction was also self caused. This time, the wind blew the cover off naturally, but it was not caused by the main characters. They've been blasted off for a total of like two times, but the ruining of their plan was never caused by their opposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S_P View Post
    Obviously both steel and electric attacks are not very effective, but no it was really useful if not too useful.
    Gotta correct you there, Steel attacks do normal damage to both Grass and Poison types, so Iron Tail does normal damage to Roselia.

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