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    I finally got around to seeing the episode.

    Heh, it seems so long since we have had two characters have an arguement with each other (the first one since, "Tag Battle! Satoshi VS. Haruka!?"?), or any kind of entertaining/ammusing interaction between two human characters, in my opinion. Unfortunately though, it looks like it will only last for this episode...

    Seems that in the second episode, we know that Hikari knows what to do, but being inexperienced - she still manages to make slip-ups (it would be boring if she was a perfect trainer if you take that into consideration, really). She also lost the battle due to inexperience, even though she knew what she was doing (she used Peck, knowing that Peck had a type advantage over Subomi, making it effective. We NEVER saw that when Satoshi and Haruka were beginning trainers). Of course, Satoshi comes in at the end and defeats Naoshi (the Mega Drain Subomi used against Pikachu looks pretty cool in this episode).

    The Monster Ball being thrown at Satoshi's face was a winner. :D

    Well, we see Subomi evolve into a Roselia, the first evolution we see in the new series. I hope we see Naoshi again, I liked his character: calm, cool, and collected (also note: he had a Mew harp). I hope he wasn't just a filler character in a non-filler episode (Samurai was...we never saw him again unfortunately ;;).

    I personally found it funny that Hikari wasn't all that suprised when Satoshi mentions that he saw Houou (maybe because she saw a legendary Pokemon, Emuritto, at the beginning of her journey? But still...She should've been a little suprised), but when he mentions that Takeshi used to be the Nibi Gym Leader, she was all like "OMGZ!SUGOI!11". :P

    Now, I'm just wondering when Hikari will catch Mimirol, since she failed to catch one in this episode. Overall, pretty decent episode.
    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed
    Not only are the writers contradicting themselves from the end of AG, (why would Hikari pay any less attention to Ash's battle skills than May did?), but Hikari is just repeating the same exact arguments May went through.
    ???

    If I remember corectly, Haruka hardly argued with Satoshi about those kinds of things when she was starting out (heck, Satoshi hardly argued with Haruka almost all of AG, sans the biggest arguement they had, which was in "Tag Battle! Satoshi vs. Haruka!?)". Unless you were getting at something else and I misunderstood.
    Quote Originally Posted by Domino
    Hikari is a May's clone.
    Because she does Contests! How dare she!
    Look at her; she acts a lot like May,
    Um, how? The only thing that's remotely similar about Hikari and Haruka is that they're both somewhat girly-girl and that they both want to be Top Coordinator. Hikari, unlike Haruka, is a lot more peppy and enthusiastic.
    she isn't original
    Well, almost all the characters in the anime aren't original, because they're all based on game characters. :0
    and she even has similar voice.
    Let's compare a seiyuu's protrayal of a character in a language we hardly even know!
    She is a clone! When I look at her, I see May! They could do more original character, someone who is shy and calm, someone who would be like that dude with Subomi, but nooo... they put next May to the show =.= I won't miss May, she still is in the anime, only in new body
    Ugh, I'm not even gonna bother, that whole last portion didn't make any sense....
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    Heh, it seems so long since we have had two characters have an arguement with each other (the first one since, "Tag Battle! Satoshi VS. Haruka!?"?), or any kind of entertaining/ammusing interaction between two human characters, in my opinion. Unfortunately though, it looks like it will only last for this episode...
    Actually in her bio at the TVTokyo site it mentions the fact that she bickers with Ash according to Sushi. So its likely she still will have more disagreements with Ash but probally not as many as Misty did.
    I hope he wasn't just a filler character in a non-filler episode (Samurai was...we never saw him again unfortunately ;.
    I hope so too. He was pretty cool. He reminded me very much of the 2nd gym leader especially because his star pokemon is a grass type just like the 2nd gym leaders type. I wouldnt be suprised if they made him have a relation to the 2nd gym leader.
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    Samurai was much cooler though. Metapod vs Metapod FTW!

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    wow, pikachu beat roselia soo easily

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    I saw the episode recently, and its a bit different what I expected, but it was all right. Weakest of the DP episodes so far.

    What I picked up it was more like contests vs. gym battles. Which is better? I didn't really get what the caped guy was saying about them, but what I get the idea what the episode was about. Too much dialogue.

    But as I know, Hikari is stubborn just like Ash, who gonna fight that she is RIGHT! Funny how she knows but can't physically do it. But as others mentioned,

    "clip of the week": Hikari throwing the Poke Ball right on Ash, and knockin him down! LOL That was funny! Hope she does that again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOS! Its Not Healthy.. View Post
    I saw the episode recently, and its a bit different what I expected, but it was all right. Weakest of the DP episodes so far.
    Are you absolutly insane? This had to have been one of the best episodes I have ever seen!

    I think everything about this episode was great, But, My favorite scene was the campfire scene with all the musical pokemon, I couldn't help but smile when I saw that. Takeshi shows us that Usohachi is in fact alive! Pocchama gets beat down by Solar Beam. Pikachu gets hit by what I believe is the first Mega Drain in the anime (and it's animation was AWESOME), Subomi's evolution, and Pikachu getting it's first Shinou win.Satoshi getting smacked in the fact with a Monster Ball, What is not to like about this episode?

    It gets a 10/10 from me.

    EDIT: Did anyone else notice that in the beginning Satoshi sounds like he's going through puberty? His voice is all squeaky...>>
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    Good episode. Naoshi was a cool character, in my opinion. Having Kazuya Nakai voicing him certainly helped.

    Hikari is getting interesting, and are those the worst ever Rocket Gang disguises or what? You could still see their uniforms completely with the "R"s in plain view!

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    Hm, well I would say this episode was subpar to the debut. Usually only the debut seems to be good, then there's a dropoff, then there are bypassable episodes, with a select few good to watch inbetween.

    + Mega Drain. Monster ball hit. Bickering. Pokemon incorporation.

    - Distorted figures. Character incorporation. Several oddities.

    Naoshi as filler was interesting (or maybe he'll be recurring). As a non-main character, there was good incorporation and no significant imbalance. He wasn't cheesy either.

    Even though Hikari was smart enough to figure out that peck would be super effective on grass types, in the anime it is a terrible choice because it forces the user to charge into the opponent. (This was different than Nagi using peck, which was done after the distance was closed, and after Oosubame lost flight control). Seriously, going with bubblekousen would have been much better. Unless they suddenly throw in grass types absorbing the water or something, explosive bubbles seem the way to start the battle.

    Then again with Pikachu winning with Iron Tail (and Thunderbolt being really effective in terms of net damage), it further applies that "level" or "experience" or "strength" probably is much better than a peck that forces a melee condition (and peck is also weak offensively that it probably never finishes the opponent either). Obviously both steel and electric attacks are not very effective, but no it was really useful if not too useful.

    So so far, Pikachu is imbalanced in the sense that Iron Tail is one hit KOing things (particularly baby classified pokemon). (Okay fine, it one hit KO'd Pochama with Thunderbolt)

    If Mega Drain was that good (it's not straightforward, doesn't look dodgeable, fires quickly, recovers a lot, and looks like it's homing too!) ... then Giga Drain is like more flashing (note in-game animation) with 1.5x power ... but what makes me interested is how Absorb would be half as good xP (and it's terrible in-game).

    The bickering was at a fair level. Though, D/P tends to have lots of exaggerations to things. It's a nice concept but also rather pointless. And yes, bickering with Haruka in AG was actually less frequent by a large amount since Haruka is not one that even has a tendency to argue (and it's not preferences either. Haruka's context of arguments were more of personal tastes, but Hikari's seems to be of flaws or something different)

    Hikari going straight for the Grand Festival doesn't make sense. It explains the contest intent, but it doesn't explain the decision to not go for gyms. Seriously, go dual! Obviously dual will never happen with a main character due to role specialisation, but at least Hikari has more battle intent than Haruka. If Hikari doesn't implement some kind of kickass system to contests that is new and tasteful, then her route would indeed be a disappointment. Unfortunately contests is also the component that can break her character. With components of this episode, concern should arise.

    Pochama having that super low move pool of three attacks is quite limiting. Hikari really needs a secondary pokemon.

    And yes I'd agree that Hikari's condition to join travelling wasn't really 100% sure thing. Then again, that occured for both Kasumi and Haruka, so thinking that makes it less bothersome. And no, Haruka did not need Satoshi. Travelling with Satoshi simply makes travelling more convenient and results in new possibilities in what can be learned during travels.

    Pokemon still are being incorporated well. Though, obviously this was not a showcasing episode. Since that has not started to brew, I am not bothered by it yet. So, D/P has yet to have the giant flaw that both mid-Jouto and mid-Houen had. To avoid D/P having excess amounts of that, throw in TG XD

    Distorted figures only applies to sometimes weird drawings in the sense that the characters look out of proportion.

    Obviously Hikari has components that could be considered similar enough to Haruka and Kasumi, but never enough effect to be specifically a rehash of either. An obvious difference is calling the professor or mom, which the other girls I believe did not really do (and if they did, not that often).

    The group effect didn't seem that strong either. Takeshi being support is normal, Satoshi being Satoshi is normal. However, aside from the bickering, having the characters around at the same time doesn't seem very meaningful.

    A lot of context in the episode also felt somewhat redundant.

    Pokemon using their pokemon cry (or saying their name) I don't recall occured that often while being returned (under something disappointing like a loss or a failure to find something). It's like they're speaking while being returned, sort of like an interruption, haha. Kind of depressing (but good in the sense that you do sense the sadness, I guess)

    I also guess that the only way to make Hikari flawed is either by indirect "nerfing" or just mistake prone. Haruka's flaw in battle was being blank. Shrug, I prefer a flaw that's more creative (I can't recall all the Kantou Satoshi flaws though, but some of those were better).

    Since Hikari is running the group effect, you get less of the ditsy component, so this episode had like no chance of things like slipping off the road, sliding down a small hill, running over a rock, not watching the road, or ninja evasion.

    Hikari also wasn't as physical as her debut, though I suppose only her debut could contain so much of it reasonably. There is almost no need to apply any anime faces, any Pochama bickering, or any rapid movement. Nearly all of Hikari's debut abilities are non-existant in episode four due to the group and group incorporation effect. This I find this a tremendous weakness.

    Oh but the music is D/P is very nice! Opening I suppose was good, and the ending was really good (doesn't seem fitting for this episode though, but it was very fitting for the debut ... well the 3rd episode end of it). Music score within episode felt like a definite plus too.

    Yes, the flaws of the implementation of Hikari start to brew. Her independent effect I thought was much, much better. Her group effect seems subpar to that of Kantou Kasumi. Haruka's implementation had more of a needs effect, but wasn't too much different.

    Perhaps I'll look into a different episode when it comes out.

    I do like how there are larger sequences of events. Even though the episode title was all about Hikari's first battle, it still incorporated several different things. Though, it wasn't as rapid fire as the debut.

    D/P definitely has a different feel (until semi-reshashing events occur), but sometimes it feels really distorted too. It ignored quite a lot of things. It was like there's nicer music score and better incorporation of things, but there didn't seem to be a large strength in plot. It feels like a mix of many different things that did not necessarily correlate to one another.

    Eh, currently the group effect seems awkward. That's what I think for the most part.

    EDIT: Is it me, or has the rocket gang so far for the most part "self destruct"? In the debut, the ballon explosion was self caused. The mech destruction was also self caused. This time, the wind blew the cover off naturally, but it was not caused by the main characters. They've been blasted off for a total of like two times, but the ruining of their plan was never caused by their opposition.
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    Saw the episode a couple of days ago and for the most part it was pretty good.

    Seeing Ash and Hikari fight like that...Okay it kinda brought back some memories of the good old days of Ash/Misty/Brock in Kanto. Ash just can't seem to get along with any females that go with him on his journey. But somehow, I remember Ash was a little more considerate with May's Contests and I only remember one fight between Ash and May about if they should go to the gym or the contest. With Ash and Hikari, it just jumped right into things kinda early. Let's see, oh yeah, Subomi was just so adorable! Now when it evolved into Roselia...Well, I felt kinda strange at that point. Now the reason for that is because I'm so used to seeing Drew if I see Roselia and I do like Drew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KuwabaraTheMan View Post
    Good episode. Naoshi was a cool character, in my opinion. Having Kazuya Nakai voicing him certainly helped.

    Hikari is getting interesting, and are those the worst ever Rocket Gang disguises or what? You could still see their uniforms completely with the "R"s in plain view!
    Do be fair, it is fairly hard to tell if a person is a new character. They could just look extremely like them, even if they do have the R right there. Some examples are Jessebelle and Shinji.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S_P View Post
    Obviously both steel and electric attacks are not very effective, but no it was really useful if not too useful.
    Gotta correct you there, Steel attacks do normal damage to both Grass and Poison types, so Iron Tail does normal damage to Roselia.

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    Forgot to mention that Hikari's "Charm On!" (?) when she called out her Pokemon was pretty cute. Obviously her equivalent of "Stage On!".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geodude View Post
    Gotta correct you there, Steel attacks do normal damage to both Grass and Poison types, so Iron Tail does normal damage to Roselia.
    I'm getting extremely rusty then. I keep thinking "Steel not effective against every element prior to Ice value." Then I forget Grass doesn't apply, as it is not even an element. Poison I knew, but grass I definitely forgot. Yeah that makes sense, it was blank (N), x (F), x (W), x (E), blank (G, forgot), circle (I), x? (F), neutral to the rest but resist on steel and good on rock too? ... er man I forgot my weakness charts.

    I probably don't use enough steel attacks in the game to remember the effectiveness on grass since I probably don't run into such circumstances.

    Thanks for correcting me.

    Though that still means that Iron Tail so far has been useful. :O Since the first gym leader seems to be Rock, that probably increases it's use further.

    This episode also makes me wonder how do you dodge Mega Drain? When it fires, it's like a giant green swervy line (thus it's not that straightforward), and then it like is homing (well given that it is aimed at a target), it's also surprising because it was virtually never used, and then the amount it heals seems to be quite a plausible amount (whereas in the game, the return isn't good enough. Though the full recovery looked more like due to the level gap, that the sap rate of the technical hit was large in comparison ... except that in technical terms still wouldn't make sense due to higher special defense from a higher level.).

    Since Mega Drain, although it's clearly a grass attack, isn't grass like, so it's not like fire appears to be able to burn it down (though I bet Mega Drain can clash with any offensive attack ... and then explode via cancel out). I can definitely see a steel type resisting it (maybe a poison one too due to the few ones that "shouldn't be absorbed" that can be applied anime-wise), but not so much a fire, flying, or bug type.

    Come to think of it, this is one of the few times Satoshi actually had more of a clear cut experience or power gap. You could tell that Roselia/Subomi was at a "much lower level" than Pikachu.

    I recall "Charm on!" too. What, does Hikari intend to reduce the opponent's attack by two levels? (Though, I don't remember Japanese attacks, so the charm attack name might be different than the word charm ... just like how ember was).

    It's funny how the bickering was so much interesting than making up to one another. The bickering was long, extended, and frequent, but the making up was rather instantaneous (or at least much faster compared to the bickering). I didn't think Hikari's concentration could be affected so badly that she could completely reroute a monster ball throw and ending up hitting Satoshi right on the forehead (despite the fact that it seemed more of a comedic effect). Hikari still seems to have some ability contradictions, but I guess I could sum it up as a concentration or focusing weakness, being able to get sidetracked very easily and thus generate a flaw. Reasonable enough.

    Doesn't look like we'll have split screens as much anymore either (or rather, multiple screens that can shift in and out).

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    Steel is weak offensively against only Fire, Water, Electric (the elements like you said), and Steel. It's strong offensively against Ice and Rock. Just visualize using a chisel to split apart a block of ice or a rock, and there you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satoshi View Post
    Forgot to mention that Hikari's "Charm On!" (?) when she called out her Pokemon was pretty cute. Obviously her equivalent of "Stage On!".
    But May sounded better.
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    Good episode, still like a filler, but... it was alright, Hikari looks more secure about herself, and well, lost that battle because the type advantage of subomi and the xp it had (remember it evolves into Roselia after).

    Hikari and Satoshi are fighting for gyms over contests?, or what will they do next?, i'm confused.

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    As has been mentioned already, they were fighting over whether the minstrel guy (name forgotten...Naoshi, was it?) should challenge the gyms or do the contests, since he had said he wasn't sure what he was going to do. In the end, he decided to do both.

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    I thought Subomi was the most adorable thing I've ever seen, especially it's voice... too bad it evolved into a Roselia will a crap voice D:

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    yeah, if they like him enough (Naoshi I believe his name was) we might see him in future episodes.
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    what is that wierd move subomi used on poochama (the one that was green and swirly looking) not solar beam

























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    uh, mega drain...
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    And we said that already too.

    Do you people have something against reading the topic to see if your potentially obvious question was previously answered (especially now that 4 days have passed already) or what?

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    huh was that directed at me (just curious)
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