Naruto: Post Timeskip Disscussion (Warning Intense Spoilers!)

[TsukiMirage]

I'm displeased with the idea of madara and hashirama being on such a ridiculous tier compared to everyone else, more then I am about the kages not comparing to him(though thats bad too.)

I mean, I never got the older ninjas being comparable to the ones of "today". In the real world, if you put soldier from the civil war up against a current soldier, who'd win?

I get that its a manga, but I'd much rather the crazy powerful one be tobi and not madara.

Well to be fair, once you discount the difference in weaponry, a soldier from the past would likely be physically stronger then a current soldier. After all, their training and experiences would have began much earlier then that of a later soldier in addition to spending a greater portion of their life on the battlefield.

I thought it was that at first, but then it looked like a Mokuton vine. The fact that it's part of Susano'o makes me worry about Tsunade; I doubt she'll survive that.

Yeah, but the swords Madara's Susanoo do have a similar wavy appearance as Mokuton in the first place. She'll probably survive long enough to see Madara get defeated by Itachi's action ad meet Dan again. That's the only reason I see him still being around for.

[brad0788]

I think Tsunade will survive Madara's attack but will die by the time the war is over or by the time Itachi ends Edo Tensei, only living long enough to see Dan. As to who becomes Hokage after her is between Naruto or Kakashi. I'm also thinking Might Guy will also die. Kishi has to show how much power is in the final gate by the time the manga ends and when given the choice of Guy or Lee he'll choose to keep Lee alive.

[Ciccone]

To be fair it was pretty obvious Naruto and Sasuke were going to become two of the most powerful ninjas on the planet. Naruto has trained with the best in Jiraiya and Kakashi and Sasuke's a Uchiha, nuff said. Did they advance much quicker then I thought? Yes they did. I would have thought they would reach this level when they were like either 18 or 20. But there should be no doubt they would have surpass everyone in part 1. The Naruto vs Sasuke final in part 1 clearly showed them to be the future of ninjas.

I personally didn't think that Naruto improved much during the timeskip. He learned a couple of new techniques like that medium-sized Rasengan, but I think Sasuke improved the most during the break. I wonder if that was due to Orochimaru's training methods, or Sasuke's natural talent.

[Platinum fan.]

I personally didn't think that Naruto improved much during the timeskip. He learned a couple of new techniques like that medium-sized Rasengan, but I think Sasuke improved the most during the break. I wonder if that was due to Orochimaru's training methods, or Sasuke's natural talent.

Kabuto's drugs played a factor in Sasuke's amazing growth as well, as Sakura said his growth level wasn't normal and came to the conclusion that he had altered by Kabuto's drugs. This theory was later supported when Kakashi said Sakura's poison kunai would not work on Sasuke.

Naruto didn't improve new attack wise but he was much smarter then he was in part 1, even at the start of part 2. It was noted his shadow clone control and timing was much better then before. Plus I'm sure Kishi wanted all of Naruto's main growth to be seen hence why we saw him learn all these new things like the Rasen Shuriken, Sage Mode, and and Kyubi control stuff on screen or panel as oppose to Sasuke who learns nearly all his moves off panel bar a few of them.

[Durian Seed]

This theory was later supported when Kakashi said Sakura's poison kunai would not work on Sasuke.

Didn't they just mention that due to all of Orochimaru's experiments and preparations for taking Sasuke's body, they made it resistant to poisons?

I would assume the poison expert was Orochimaru.

[Shneak]

I think Tsunade is going to survive through this fight. I've been thinking she would fight Dan, but maybe she'll just give her life to save the Kages and be with him.

Her mitosis technique rapidly divides her cells so she can heal almost instantaneously, but it shortens her lifespan. I think she'll use this to the maximum and become practically immortal until she kills Madara, then she'll die.

[-Raiga-]

Well to be fair, once you discount the difference in weaponry, a soldier from the past would likely be physically stronger then a current soldier. After all, their training and experiences would have began much earlier then that of a later soldier in addition to spending a greater portion of their life on the battlefield.

You're forgetting the biggest factor of any soldier, and thats knowledge. If Madara and hashirama were this great, all these skills would be taught to later generations, only making it easier and easier for each generation to become stronger then the last.

Maybe its a stupid example, but its exactly why there was only a few pablo picasso's in art some hundred years ago, but now you have 17 year olds on deviantart miles beyond that skill level.

Its worth noting I do understand madara and the first hokage are fused to an extent, but still, 1 and a half great ninja shouldn't compare to 5 current day ones.

[Durian Seed]

I think Tsunade is going to survive through this fight. I've been thinking she would fight Dan, but maybe she'll just give her life to save the Kages and be with him.

Her mitosis technique rapidly divides her cells so she can heal almost instantaneously, but it shortens her lifespan. I think she'll use this to the maximum and become practically immortal until she kills Madara, then she'll die.

"I'm Already Dead", there was a chapter titled as such, and so is Madara.

As far as her released seal + Super-Mitosis shortening her lifespan, well she reached her 50s, so isn't it about time for the shortened lifespan to take effect?

[Ciccone]

Kabuto's drugs played a factor in Sasuke's amazing growth as well, as Sakura said his growth level wasn't normal and came to the conclusion that he had altered by Kabuto's drugs. This theory was later supported when Kakashi said Sakura's poison kunai would not work on Sasuke.

I forgot about that. I mean, I remember when Sakura came up with the theory, but I thought it was just speculation. I kind of forgot that Kakashi talked about Sasuke's immunity to poison when Team 7 caught up with him after the Gokage Summit. It's certainly interesting, though.

[Profesco]

I was just glad to see Madara say Tsunade was stronger than Raikage. I still enjoy her, so I feel specially comforted when she gets some accolade or another.

[Shadow Lucario]

I was just glad to see Madara say Tsunade was stronger than Raikage. I still enjoy her, so I feel specially comforted when she gets some accolade or another.

That really surprised me because the Raikage was strong enough to crack Sasuke's Susanoo's rib. So I'm pretty sure Tsunade would have been able to break it when it was incomplete.

[Durian Seed]

That really surprised me because the Raikage was strong enough to crack Sasuke's Susanoo's rib. So I'm pretty sure Tsunade would have been able to break it when it was incomplete.

Remember, this is likely Tsunade's last stand. Her many uses, both on-screen and off, of her Super-Mitosis/Seal Release, will catch up with her, if not now, very soon.

What better way to conclude her story arc? The man who "lost" to her grandfather, taking her life, albeit indirectly.

[Joltik-Kid]

I was just glad to see Madara say Tsunade was stronger than Raikage. I still enjoy her, so I feel specially comforted when she gets some accolade or another.

He also said she was slower then him too...so Raikage probably would still be stronger then her in those terms. But yes, it did give Tsunade some much deserved credit ^^

[TsukiMirage]

Kabuto's drugs played a factor in Sasuke's amazing growth as well, as Sakura said his growth level wasn't normal and came to the conclusion that he had altered by Kabuto's drugs. This theory was later supported when Kakashi said Sakura's poison kunai would not work on Sasuke.

That was just an assumption by Sakura, not actually proven. And Sasuke's poison resistances came from Orochimaru, not Kabuto.

You're forgetting the biggest factor of any soldier, and thats knowledge. If Madara and hashirama were this great, all these skills would be taught to later generations, only making it easier and easier for each generation to become stronger then the last.

Maybe its a stupid example, but its exactly why there was only a few pablo picasso's in art some hundred years ago, but now you have 17 year olds on deviantart miles beyond that skill level.

Its worth noting I do understand madara and the first hokage are fused to an extent, but still, 1 and a half great ninja shouldn't compare to 5 current day ones.

Not really, since their strength came from their unique abilities, something that couldn't be taught to others, at least when it comes to Hashirama. Yamato's the only other person capable of fighting like Hashirama and due to him not being an actual Senju, his abilities are still limited. Itachi and Sasuke probably could mimic Madara and likely by the end of the series will be just as strong if not stronger then he was in his prime.

[Platinum fan.]

Whether it was Orochimaru or Kabuto doesn't matter, Sasuke probably had a bunch of illegal stuff done to him during the time skip. I'm sure Orochimaru was doing more then just basic training to get Sasuke uber powerful, he was his next host. It's to unreal to think Sasuke got that powerful over the time skip by just regular training. At the start of part 2 he was far above Naruto when they had fought on somewhat equal grounds at the end of part 1, with Sasuke just being a cut above him with the cursed seal. We know Orochimaru experiments on his warriors to make them stronger, it's foolish to think Sasuke didn't get some enhancements from science.

[Ciccone]

I was just glad to see Madara say Tsunade was stronger than Raikage. I still enjoy her, so I feel specially comforted when she gets some accolade or another.

I was glad that he mentioned that, too. I thought that the Raikage was stronger, so it was nice that Madara cleared up that misconception. Still, I don't think Tsunade will be around for much longer. I like her as a character, but it seems that she's taken quite a beating, and I'm not sure that she'll recover.

[Durian Seed]

I was glad that he mentioned that, too. I thought that the Raikage was stronger, so it was nice that Madara cleared up that misconception. Still, I don't think Tsunade will be around for much longer. I like her as a character, but it seems that she's taken quite a beating, and I'm not sure that she'll recover.

Tsunade's strength is different though.

Her strength comes in bursts, where as A's is consistent/constant.

[Joltik-Kid]

Tsunade's strength is different though.

Her strength comes in bursts, where as A's is consistent/constant.

What do you mean by bursts? Just curious

[7 tyranitars]

Tsunade basicly "charges her attacks up" before she can I attack , while A basicly mows through the enemies.

[Crimsonlink]

What do you mean by bursts? Just curious

Tsunade can have all the power in the world but it won't matter if it doesn't hit. So her strength is kinda useless just like Sakura's. Maybe if she used it in combination with medic ninjutsu to cripple's enemies moments and then punch/kick them; which was what Sakura's main role should have been. But we all know what happened to that.