Naruto: Post Timeskip Disscussion (Warning Intense Spoilers!)

[Platinum fan.]

Talk about anti-climactic. Now I'm wondering how on earth Naruto will beat Madara when he has no trump card up his sleeve. All he can do is spam Rasengan and the dozen other variations that it has that won't be able to harm Madara. The best we can hope for is for a Hashirama vs. Madara rematch, but I can't see how Hashirama would win a second time.

And yeah, I'm also saddened by the fact that Hiruzen's work was for nothing. He only managed to delay Orochimaru from getting all that he wanted. Now he's super-powerful again, plus he controls the same person who delayed his quest for power and the other three Hokage. Edo Tensei is a horrible jutsu that needs to be erased from history.

I'm calling it now. Neji will be back at some point. Maybe by the end of the war, maybe somewhere in the middle but he'll be Edo Tensied back to life. That's why Kishi has no fear to kill off main characters. He's found his magic set of Dragon Balls to get around that.

[gohan5]

I'm calling it now. Neji will be back at some point. Maybe by the end of the war, maybe somewhere in the middle but he'll be Edo Tensied back to life. That's why Kishi has no fear to kill off main characters. He's found his magic set of Dragon Balls to get around that.

Even if he did stoop to just mass revivals, they're still dead, so it's not the same. I'd be upset if he brings anyone else back.

[Shneak]

Talk about anti-climactic. Now I'm wondering how on earth Naruto will beat Madara when he has no trump card up his sleeve. All he can do is spam Rasengan and the dozen other variations that it has that won't be able to harm Madara. The best we can hope for is for a Hashirama vs. Madara rematch, but I can't see how Hashirama would win a second time.

The Hokages coming back might be the best thing in this case. There's no way Naruto can beat Madara, but leaving it to Hashirama and possibly the other three may be viable enough for his defeat. Obito seems to be more mortal than Madara, so Naruto or Kakashi could claim his defeat, but I wouldn't be surprised if Minato played a role as well.

Hashirama is Madara's foil. Tobirama will probably initiate the Hokages breaking out of Orochimaru's control. Hiruzen likely will get the least action because he's not in his prime, and he has to explain everything to Sasuke. Minato slots in with Obito and Kurama.

[HoennMaster]

Sometimes I feel like I'm reading a really bizarre fan-fic. I can't wait to see where this is going. I hope this means that the War is almost over.

Straight up Dragon Ball would have been an even better example

Big difference, reviving dead people was something that was known from the beginning in Dragon Ball.

[pokemonsquared]

What was the point of the 3rd Hokage's sacrifice then? Now we found out there are like dozens of ninja who could outmatch Oro at the time and the so called death seal could be undone..

[7 tyranitars]

Sometimes I feel like I'm reading a really bizarre fan-fic. I can't wait to see where this is going. I hope this means that the War is almost over.




Big difference, reviving dead people was something that was known from the beginning in Dragon Ball.

Doesn't chance the fact that death means nothing in Dragon ball, and lets not forgot the namek dragonballs which bypassed the 1 revival clause.

[gohan5]

Doesn't chance the fact that death means nothing in Dragon ball, and lets not forgot the namek dragonballs which bypassed the 1 revival clause.

It obviously still meant something or we wouldn't have Future Trunks. But this isn't about that.

I consider this more like comic book deaths, specifically it's like a free pass at Ra's all Ghul's Lazarus Pits. There should be more of a limit to the Edo Tensei and he should stick to it. I mean I'm supposed to believe that shrine thing is viable?

[Platinum fan.]

The Hokages coming back might be the best thing in this case. There's no way Naruto can beat Madara, but leaving it to Hashirama and possibly the other three may be viable enough for his defeat. Obito seems to be more mortal than Madara, so Naruto or Kakashi could claim his defeat, but I wouldn't be surprised if Minato played a role as well.

Hashirama is Madara's foil. Tobirama will probably initiate the Hokages breaking out of Orochimaru's control. Hiruzen likely will get the least action because he's not in his prime, and he has to explain everything to Sasuke. Minato slots in with Obito and Kurama.

If they do, it will feel even more anti-climactic to me. So basically nobody of this era could stop Madara they had to rely on Orochimaru and his zombie Hokages. Kinda ironic actually if that does happen. Still the revived Hokages being used to defeat Madara would feel cheap, but looking at the direction Naruto is taking I can see that happening. Hopefully Naruto can at least beat Obito without Minato butting in. The kids of Konoha can't make a legacy if the old dogs have to save their butts, lol.

To Pokemonsquared, who asked what was the point of the 3rd Hokages sacrifice? He delayed Orochimaru and nothing more. In the end Orochimaru got the last laugh because he has good arms back and four immensly powerful Edo Tensei Hokages. The 3rd basically screwed himself.

Edit: But on the other hand seeing the 4 Hokages battle Madara in a ultra powered ninja battle does sound kinda fun to see. We can see who can trump who's jutsus. That does sound fun ^.^

[HoennMaster]

I just wonder why kind of Minato and Naurto interactions we are going to get. This actually makes me hope Tsunade survives more than ever now so all five Hokages together would be awesome.

I just don't get what Orochimaru is up to. Doesn't want part of the war but is not doing anything to Konoha either.

Doesn't chance the fact that death means nothing in Dragon ball, and lets not forgot the namek dragonballs which bypassed the 1 revival clause.

And again, doesn't change that it was never meant to be permanent in some cases.

[7 tyranitars]

I just wonder why kind of Minato and Naurto interactions we are going to get. This actually makes me hope Tsunade survives more than ever now so all five Hokages together would be awesome.

I just don't get what Orochimaru is up to. Doesn't want part of the war but is not doing anything to Konoha either.



And again, doesn't change that it was never meant to be permanent in some cases.

Point was that whoever complained at death meaning nothing, should look at other manga.

[Joltik-Kid]

Talk about anti-climactic. Now I'm wondering how on earth Naruto will beat Madara when he has no trump card up his sleeve. All he can do is spam Rasengan and the dozen other variations that it has that won't be able to harm Madara. The best we can hope for is for a Hashirama vs. Madara rematch, but I can't see how Hashirama would win a second time.

Kishi stated before that Madara has no weakness... so he's basically making stuff up as he goes. And the thing is even if Hashirama does get involved, both him and Madara are immortal, so neither could win in the end, though Madara knows how to release the seal, so it would be pointless to have other Zombies fight him :P

[Jb]

Point was that whoever complained at death meaning nothing, should look at other manga.

There is still a difference though. In Dragon Ball the people who are most revived are the innocent people caught up in battles and destruction. Either that or main characters, people who clearly weren't meant to stay dead. Not to mention that reviving people in DB required the Dragon Balls, which are tedious to acquire with everyone looking for them and such, also that the creator has to be alive.

In Naruto it seems gimped that people can just use Hax no Jutsu and revive hax ninjas. All this is backed by Kishi pulling BS out his rear end for the last few years because he's not sure who should stay dead or not.

[Ciccone]

This manga seems to be headed towards a cliff. I just don't see what Kishi plans to do about the war and all the other loose ends like Sasuke and Orochimaru. I personally don't feel that this week's chapter helped the manga. Oh sure, we'll get some answers, but it seems like more bad will be done in the long run than good.

[Blazicken]

^ no it isn't.
Finally the manga is starting to get more intresting & with this new devellopment, it became harder to predict what's gonna happen from now on.
Cause honestly, the war has been going on for quite a while now with nothing interesting happening aside of it. Now there is.
A good manga needs that "not knowing what's next"-aspect.
Kishi wouldn't have done this side-devellopment if he didn't have a decent plan on how the war and orochimaru's actions are going to entwine.

[7 tyranitars]

There is still a difference though. In Dragon Ball the people who are most revived are the innocent people caught up in battles and destruction. Either that or main characters, people who clearly weren't meant to stay dead. Not to mention that reviving people in DB required the Dragon Balls, which are tedious to acquire with everyone looking for them and such, also that the creator has to be alive.

In Naruto it seems gimped that people can just use Hax no Jutsu and revive hax ninjas. All this is backed by Kishi pulling BS out his rear end for the last few years because he's not sure who should stay dead or not.

Yeah in the first part mayby, in the end the had a namek and an earth pair, could get the dragonballs in less then an hour and that mostly innocent people where revived was mainly because they simply got caught in the bang.

[Platinum fan.]

I love how many of us are comparing Naruto to Dragon Ball Z. Naruto is going the way of DBZ for me actually. After the Frieza saga in DBZ (My fave saga of DBZ) the rest of the series just got horrible. Trunks appearing and slicing up Frieza being the last good thing about that series for me. After that the show died for me. Naruto is almost coming to the same conclusion with me. After the Pain arc ended, hardly anything feels well written in the series. Edo Tensei has become the ultimate troll/scapegoat and death doesn't mean as much as long as someone can learn Edo Tensei. The war arc is mostly a mess but what can be done about it? I still like Naruto and will continue to follow it but so many things from part 1 have been ignored, overlooked, and quite frankly rewritten that sometimes it's hard to follow what's important and what is not.

[gohan5]

^ And that's my main gripe with Naruto right now, things change so quickly and seem important but then are getting undone so easily during this war. The Juubi and Edo Tensei/Hashirama cells is the biggest thing I'd say. We were to believe that the all 9 Bijuu had to be used to summon the Juubi but now they only needed a portion of Bee and Naruto's chakra. So why go through the trouble of capturing all the rest of the Jinchuuriki if they only needed a little of their chakra? And I think we've already hammered in the cheapness of the Edo Tensei. But Hashirama's cells are becoming one of the biggest trolls now too. I'm finding it hard to believe that all of these people had so easy access to his body after his death. I mean he was the first Hokage for goodness sakes.

[Ciccone]

I'm all for new development, but when Kishi pulls out the deus ex machina in order to progress the plot, he's going to stumble upon some problems. I don't like where this manga is going. It was one thing for Kabuto to use Edo Tensei and practically make death meaningless, but for Orochimaru to do the exact same thing right after we just got done with that zombie nonsense is ridiculous, not to mention reductive. Kishi needs to leave dead characters alone and come up with other ways of answering Sasuke's questions. Remind me why Sasuke wants to talk to the Hokage anyway.

[TsukiMirage]

^ And that's my main gripe with Naruto right now, things change so quickly and seem important but then are getting undone so easily during this war. The Juubi and Edo Tensei/Hashirama cells is the biggest thing I'd say. We were to believe that the all 9 Bijuu had to be used to summon the Juubi but now they only needed a portion of Bee and Naruto's chakra. So why go through the trouble of capturing all the rest of the Jinchuuriki if they only needed a little of their chakra? And I think we've already hammered in the cheapness of the Edo Tensei. But Hashirama's cells are becoming one of the biggest trolls now too. I'm finding it hard to believe that all of these people had so easy access to his body after his death. I mean he was the first Hokage for goodness sakes.

No, the real question is why the hell did Obito go through the trouble of forming Akatsuki and waiting so long when he could have easily gotten all the Bijuus himself and completed the Moon Eye plan years ago without worrying about anyone getting in his way.

[-Raiga-]

Of course people could realize this a manga for 12 year olds and not over-analyze EVERYTHING.

Anyways, I have a question. What did Orochimaru mean when he said "you aren't my snakes anymore" to the taka guys? Does he mean they've surpassed him, or that they belong to sasuke, or what?