Naruto: Post Timeskip Disscussion (Warning Intense Spoilers!)

[gohan5]

I don't like the way Tobirama was portrayed; he basically admitted that he was prejudice against the Uchiha, which only made Sasuke angrier. Still, I loved Hashirama in this chapter; his comment about whether the village was fine with Tsunade as Hokage was funny, and it seems she inherited her gambling obsession from Hashirama himself.

Actually, that was the best thing about Tobirama and this chapter for me. They made it clear that even though he and Hashirama were brothers, they didn't see eye to eye about how to run the village and everything. It makes him more of a person in my eyes, and not just Hashirama's brother. It also gives me a bit more depth into his character, as before I couldn't see how he could have possibly invented the Edo Tensei.

[Kamex]

the orphans and the eyes i can't explain, but Rin's death i think i have and idea of or a few of them. The one thing that is consistent is that it was a setup by Madara to get Obito on his side.
My reason for this, is that Obito "escapes" too easily and the timing is too coincidental. He emerges just to see Kakashi kill Rin, thus turning Obito to Madara side. One of my theories on how he did this, was that it was a Zetsu clone killing Rin or a Rin could of been a clone as well, meaning the whole entire thing was staged. Or more likey Madara put Kakashi in a situation where he had no choice or it was the most merciful thing to do, was to kill her. eg, she was a traitor or to prevent her being captured and tortured.

More likely the latter, because if Rin was a clone (and especially if Kakashi was a clone) then there would be a discrepancy considering Kakashi admits that he let Rin die. This could be explained somehow but it would be more complicated.

And Hashirama's personality is disappointing, way to much like Naruto's to be enjoyable.

I agree... it was nice to be surprised, but I think it sort of takes away from the excitement of someone as goofy as Naruto becoming Hokage if the first was already like that. I personally wish we saw more of Kushina's comical side though.

I don't like the way Tobirama was portrayed; he basically admitted that he was prejudice against the Uchiha, which only made Sasuke angrier. Still, I loved Hashirama in this chapter; his comment about whether the village was fine with Tsunade as Hokage was funny, and it seems she inherited her gambling obsession from Hashirama himself.

Hashirama was funny, but I'm glad Tobirama was portrayed sort of "war-hawk"-like. At the least, he can act as a foil towards Hashirama, plus it would make more sense to me if the previous Hokage were more stern and serious, considering the times they lived in and the issues they had to face.

EDIT: Yeah, and I second what gohan5 said too. Haha.

[Shadow Lucario]

I don't think Hashirama is like Naruto at all. He's not exactly goofy. It's just as Suigetsu said; he has no dignity. He let his little brother tell him STFU and didn't even fight back. Seems like Hiruzen is kind of pissed off that he sacrificed himself and Orochimaru got his arms back anyway.

[Charmed]

I actually really dislike the way Tobirama treated his brother. I never expected him to be submissive to him or anything, but it was still really rude how he shut him up like that. And like I said before, any changes in Sasuke's attitude towards the village were pretty much shot down the moment Tobirama started bad-mouthing the Uchiha clan. It looks like it's up to Hashirama to explain things. Hopefully Sasuke won't disrespect him; he gets enough of that from his brother. :x

Also, just a quick comment, but how come Minato addressed Orochimaru as "Orochimaru-san"? Why use honorifics after the way Orochimaru betrayed the village?

[7 tyranitars]

I actually really dislike the way Tobirama treated his brother. I never expected him to be submissive to him or anything, but it was still really rude how he shut him up like that. And like I said before, any changes in Sasuke's attitude towards the village were pretty much shot down the moment Tobirama started bad-mouthing the Uchiha clan. It looks like it's up to Hashirama to explain things. Hopefully Sasuke doesn't disrespect him; he gets enough of that from his brother. :x

Also, just a quick comment, but how come Minato addressed Orochimaru was "Orochimaru-san"? Why use honorifics after the way Orochimaru betrayed the village?

I think orochimaru betrayed the village after his death.

[gohan5]

I think orochimaru betrayed the village after his death.

You're right, it was during the Third's second term. I just chalk it up to Minato being a respectful guy.

[Charmed]

I think orochimaru betrayed the village after his death.

But didn't Minato claim that he knew things that had happened in the real world while he was sealed in Naruto (like Jiraiya's death for example)? If so, he should have known about Orochimaru's defection and all the other stuff he started afterwards.

I just chalk it up to Minato being a respectful guy.

I guess. I wonder how he'll react when he finds out that his own student started the current war.

[Shadow Lucario]

But didn't Minato claim that he knew things that had happened in the real world while he was sealed in Naruto (like Jiraiya's death for example)? If so, he should have known about Orochimaru's defection and all the other stuff he started afterwards.

I think it's just because he's respectful. It's basically the same reason Sasuke doesn't use honorifics for anybody. After his clan was killed he didn't care anymore so he doesn't use them. Minato cares though.

EDIT: I noticed a small error in the chapter when I was reading it again. When Sasuke activated his Mangekyou Sharingan, it took the shape of his original one, not the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.

[Platinum fan.]

Arrgh! I had no idea a new chapter was out today. I just found out. I don't keep up with release dates. The chapter was alright. I liked that the 3rd Hokage realized he died in vain because he did and I enjoyed the 1st Hokage's personality. Much more personality when he first was Edo Tenseied that's for sure. I actually like that the 2nd Hokage is a jerk. He feels real. Not everyone in Konoha is going to be a kiss up. I also enjoyed him being annoyed seeing Orochimaru again. "This Orochimaru guy again?" That was great. The explaining stuff was a bit boring, the whole love equals Sharingan thing. Yeah, sure, whatever. Minato didn't really say much this chapter. Overall a decent chapter and I like that Tobirama was a jerk to the Uchiha's. Not everyone in Konoha is a saint.

By the way, Minato called Orochimaru, Orochimaru-Sama. I figured that was because he was on the same team as his teacher, but still feels weird for a Hokage to show such respect to Orochimaru. Does he not know about the snake being evile?

[EmphaticPikachu]

Two things. The hokage's personalities and the explanation of the Uchia clan were great to me.
the personalities were great, but as for the explanation...

Gosh, it feels like a genetic disorder that the Uciha have. Any person that is remotely unstable with emotions will likely break and create powerful eyes to express their emotions. The sharigan itself is what is really bad D:...

[JD]

Hashirama reminds me of Goku.. they both are easily excited and goofy.

[Shneak]

- Whoa, early chapter.
- A Cursed Clan! Boohoo, I'll play my tiny violin for the Uchihas.
- Haha, Hashirama. :3
- Christ, I can't tell who was alive when. I assumed everyone but Hiruzen died during their reign.
- Nope, the village got royally screwed.
- Oh wait, the First and Second know Orochimaru from Operation Destroy Konoha. Right.
- Sasuke has a protruding nose in these reaction panels. Kind of odd.

Interesting chapter. I didn't expect Tobirama to speak so much, so it's some new insight. I'm hoping Sasuke realized was Tobirama said, about emotions turning from love to hatred. Sasuke kept surprisingly calm.

[J Ken]

This chapter revealed more of The First and Second's personality. It was good to see where Tsunade got her gambling habits from. Hashirama was unsurprisingly very Naruto like. Sasuke was very calm. The old one would have raged if the Uchihas were bad mouthed. He really is changing.

I noticed a small error in the chapter when I was reading it again. When Sasuke activated his Mangekyou Sharingan, it took the shape of his original one, not the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.

Maybe it's possible that he can switch in between his Mangekyo and Eternal Mangekyo Sharingans?

[EmphaticPikachu]

Maybe it's possible that he can switch in between his Mangekyo and Eternal Mangekyo Sharingans?

that could be true...

yet what exact use would a mangekyo sharingan be over an eternal one? doesn't the normal one...you know,make you go blind? XD

[Heldigunner1]

kishimoto is known for making errors in his art. I wouldn't think to much into it.

[EmphaticPikachu]

kishimoto is known for making errors in his art. I wouldn't think to much into it.

yeah, and he usually fixes them for the volume releases. .-...so then we'll see. (when ever those come out XD)

[-Raiga-]

They're still plotholes that have yet to be explained, which was the point. None of those things got answered in the following chapter or beyond. And aside from the issue with Rin, it seems quite unlikely any of those questions would be answered.

Put it this way, unanswered questions are WHY people read a story manga. The only reason I want to read the next chapter, is because of the questions introduced in previous ones. And you can't possibly say questions won't go unanwered in naruto. Take people wondering what became of obito for instance, well, low and behold some 300 chapters later what gets answered?

If you ask me, the biggest flaw of this arc is how much it does reveal. I would have rather the previous kages and ninjas lied in mystery then know every little detail.

[uber gon]

Either the Uchihas get some kind of magic mental illness for their bloodline limit, or generations of inbreeding have caused some major backlash on their sanity. Essentially the Uchihas are the manga version of the Targareyans.

[Charmed]

What's up with Hashirama being called the God of Shinobi? I thought Hiruzen and the Sage of Six Paths were already called that. It no longer seems like an honorary title; it seems more like a rank since apparently any powerful ninja can be called the "God of Shinobi." Just watch Naruto be called that soon.

[gohan5]

What's up with Hashirama being called the God of Shinobi? I thought Hiruzen and the Sage of Six Paths were already called that. It no longer seems like an honorary title; it seems more like a rank since apparently any powerful ninja can be called the "God of Shinobi." Just watch Naruto be called that soon.

That is weird, but yes all 3 ninja are referred to by that name. Seems like Kishi is running out of legendary monikers for all the high level shinobi. I don't know why everyone needs to have a nickname though.