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    I'm pretty sure that Shikamaru could come up with a plan to match the power of team 7. He's done it plenty of times already. As for Sakura, nothing she's doing is really impressive. "Oh, i can hit hard" Ok, so can Lee, Guy, and Tsunade. That's the main thing, Naruto/Sasuke has surpassed their teachers buy a noticeable margin. Sakura is just doing stuff Tsunade has been doing since Part 1. Even Kakashi who's been irrelevant since Guy vs Madara is doing way more than Sakura.

    She's simply unimpressive. I'm not going to be grateful that she gets powers that someone else had for the longest time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p96822 View Post
    I don't think that Shamaru, Shino, or Hinata has the strength to hit Kaguya has hard as Sakura did. The only charter I think the could equal that strenght is Rock Lee and the inter eight gates. Also Sakura has the abilty to heal herself from battle damage if she took any from the enemy. I'm not saying that Hinata is weak or that she is strong, but I saying that I don't she the gentle fist being able to send mulilple foes flying to there doom. Rock Lee is the only charter that could match team 7 in power and skill. And Sakura doesn't need any power up at all so stop wishing and be thankful that the writer give these powers in the first place.
    Who said they need super strength? They are ninjas. They could have just stabbed Kaguya in the head with a kunai knife while she was focused on trying to escape Naruto and Sasuke. The entire point I'm trying to make here is you could have put almost anyone in that spot with Naruto and Sasuke and they could have done the job as well. Sakura hitting Kaguya doesn't magically make her superior to everyone all of a sudden. Let's be real here. Also Choji has super strength as well. Probably as strong as Lee. He can grow in size. He could have done that surprise hit too.

    I'm really not trying to take this away from Sakura. I'm glad she got to help defeat Kaguya, but let's not start going around saying this makes Sakura superior to the other Konoha 11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    I'd still take Shikamaru, Shino, and Rock Lee over Sakura. And Hinata can still be just as deadly as any brute strength fighter being a Hyuga with Gentle Fist. The only thing Sakura has over anyone is her Tsunade regeneration, but in terms of being a actual shinobi/fighter? I hate to say this, but you could have put almost anyone in that Kaguya fight along with Naruto and Sasuke and they could have done that sneak attack from above just as well. However I don't want to rain on Sakura's parade so let's all just enjoy her moment of doing something really cool, and she got her participation credits for the fight, so she can get her legendary Sannin status. So cheers.
    Shikamaru and Shino would need prep to take down Sakura.Without it they won't be able to do much.Only Rock Lee(only because he can outspeed her by a lot) can defeat Sakura and he needs to go at least 7 gates or 8 gates to do that.Hinata is definitely not in the same league as Sakura if she has her Yin Seal and Summon with her,base Sakura had better stats(with the databook)than Hinata in Speed,Strength(this is not counting her chakra strength),Intelligence and Stamina.Just because someone has the gentle fist doesn't mean that they are very strong.


    A normal Sneak attack wouldn't have done anything,you really think that a normal Kunai would be able to puncture Kaguya's Skull?Her durability is basically better than any of the previous villains and their durability is nothing to laugh at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X Drake View Post
    Shikamaru and Shino would need prep to take down Sakura.Without it they won't be able to do much.Only Rock Lee(only because he can outspeed her by a lot) can defeat Sakura and he needs to go at least 7 gates or 8 gates to do that.Hinata is definitely not in the same league as Sakura if she has her Yin Seal and Summon with her,base Sakura had better stats(with the databook)than Hinata in Speed,Strength(this is not counting her chakra strength),Intelligence and Stamina.


    A normal Sneak attack wouldn't have done anything,you really think that a normal Kunai would be able to puncture Kaguya's Skull?Her durability is basically better than any of the previous villains and their durability is nothing to laugh at.
    It doesn't have to puncture her skull or even badly damage her. Kaguya already showed she can be caught off guard with even the most simple attacks. Remember Naruto's secret weapon justu that allowed him to score a regular hit off Kaguya? This is the same thing really. Again I'm not trying to take this away from Sakura, but this doesn't raise her level above everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    It doesn't have to puncture her skull or even badly damage her. Kaguya already showed she can be caught off guard with even the most simple attacks. Remember Naruto's secret weapon justu that allowed him to score a regular hit off Kaguya? This is the same thing really. Again I'm not trying to take this away from Sakura, but this doesn't raise her level above everyone else.
    She can get caught of guard,but that doesn't mean that the attacks would hurt her,for example a very small normal ant can catch me of guard and bite me but I won't feel a thing,but if something like a Bullet Ant or Black Bulldog Ant bites me than that would hurt a lot.You get what I'm saying.

    Sure they would have landed the hit,but would it have hurt?Because if that was the problem than Madara and Obito(bought whose durability was lesser than Kaguya since they were basically the weaker version of her)should not have been that much trouble if something like a regular Kunai could hurt them that much.Because the Juubi tanked it's own Bijuudama and that was near country-continental level .


    The Bolded,You mean the Shadow Clone thing?That works on everybody apparently.I wonder why Naruto never used a Hashirama version on Madara,it would have worked wonders

    True it doesn't raise her much since we knew that she could do that since she got the seal,shewas already above the other members the moment she had the seal except for 7th gate Rock lee,and Shikamaru and Shino if they have prep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Drake View Post
    She can get caught of guard,but that doesn't mean that the attacks would hurt her,for example a very small normal ant can catch me of guard and bite me but I won't feel a thing,but if something like a Bullet Ant or Black Bulldog Ant bites me than that would hurt a lot.You get what I'm saying.

    Sure they would have landed the hit,but would it have hurt?Because if that was the problem than Madara and Obito(bought whose durability was lesser than Kaguya since they were basically the weaker version of her)should not have been that much trouble if something like a regular Kunai could hurt them that much.Because the Juubi tanked it's own Bijuudama and that was near country-continental level .


    The Bolded,You mean the Shadow Clone thing?That works on everybody apparently.I wonder why Naruto never used a Hashirama version on Madara,it would have worked wonders

    True it doesn't raise her much since we knew that she could do that since she got the seal,shewas already above the other members the moment she had the seal except for 7th gate Rock lee,and Shikamaru and Shino if they have prep.
    It was the reverse Harem jutsu. The only thing Sakura has over everyone is regeneration. Super strength is useless if she can't hit her target. You really think Sakura could land a blow on someone like Rock Lee, a Taijutsu specialist? Or Shino, who would fight at a distance with his bugs eating her chakra? Or Shikamaru and his shadow, not to mention one of Konoha's greatest minds, who could probably neutralize her with several different plans? I'm not saying Sakura is weak. But she's certainly not the 3rd strongest shinobi in Konoha like you guys are trying to make her out to be. She got her moment in the fight and that is outstanding. But I'm not going to just sit hear and say she's better then the other Konoha 11, when some of them have done more impressive feats then her. Just because her teammates are Naruto and Sasuke, Kishi had to boost her up even though it was done in a way that made Sasuke's powerups look legit.

    Do we know if Kaguya was even hurt from Sakura's blow? Like really hurt like you're saying? Kaguya could still be fighting in the next chapter. If Sakura's blow somehow takes the fight out of Kaguya, then I'll agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X Drake View Post
    7th gate Rock lee,and Shikamaru and Shino if they have prep.
    Sakura couldn't even keep up with Lee during the exams, he wouldn't even need unlock any gates to beat her. That's like saying she's as tough as Kisame

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    Before this gets too out of hand, let me just say that I am glad Sakura had her moment to shine last chapter. Really, I am. I'm not trying to be little Sakura here, I'm glad she got to help. All I'm saying is her playing sidekick to Naruto and Sasuke doesn't elevate her beyond everyone else in Konoha. She's skilled in her own right but she's not the 3rd best Konoha shinobi that some are trying to make her out to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    It was the reverse Harem jutsu. The only thing Sakura has over everyone is regeneration. Super strength is useless if she can't hit her target. You really think Sakura could land a blow on someone like Rock Lee, a Taijutsu specialist? Or Shino, who would fight at a distance with his bugs eating her chakra? Or Shikamaru and his shadow, not to mention one of Konoha's greatest minds, who could probably neutralize her with several different plans? I'm not saying Sakura is weak. But she's certainly not the 3rd strongest shinobi in Konoha like you guys are trying to make her out to be. She got her moment in the fight and that is outstanding. But I'm not going to just sit hear and say she's better then the other Konoha 11, when some of them have done more impressive feats then her. Just because her teammates are Naruto and Sasuke, Kishi had to boost her up even though it was done in a way that made Sasuke's powerups look legit.

    Do we know if Kaguya was even hurt from Sakura's blow? Like really hurt like you're saying? Kaguya could still be fighting in the next chapter. If Sakura's blow somehow takes the fight out of Kaguya, then I'll agree with you.
    She can tank his basic attacks all day with the Seal,heck she got stabbed by the same thing that took away Minato's arm and she was fine,he needs to go into gates to defeat her.Plus she can destroy the ground to make him lose his footing,plus Summon with Acid can help.

    Shikamaru's shadow attacks has shown to not work on people who can outpower him,and if they can outpower him he will have to struggle and use a lot of chakra to hold them in place.And you saw how fast Sakura moved when she fought the Juubi clones and how high she jumped?That's how fast she can get to the distance between either Shino and Shikamaru.

    And like I said before,in a random meeting between Shino/Shikamaru and Sakura in which both Shino and Shikamaru has no time to prep,Sakura wins.Give Shikamaru and Shino time to prep and they win.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jb View Post
    Sakura couldn't even keep up with Lee during the exams, he wouldn't even need unlock any gates to beat her. That's like saying she's as tough as Kisame
    Sakura got a much bigger boost from her exam days compared to Lee.Even Sasuke and Naruto couldn't keep up with Lee and look what happen now,they can outspeed him easily.

    Kisame was strong enough to fight a tail beast(4 tails at that) alone and win and was also doing damn well against Killer Bee in Version 2 mode,even Lee can't do that unless he goes 8 gates.I never said she was as tough as Kisame,unless you think that Lee can defeat Kisame with 7 gates because it took Gai 7 gates to defeat Kisame,and Lee is weaker than Gai.

    Sakura has healed from attacks that stopped Edos from regrowing,she should be able to tank basic Lee's attacks easily until she runs out,he would need to go into gates to deal more permanent damage.

    I'm guessing you think that Rock Lee in 1 gate can defeat Tsunade?
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    Whatever. I'm done trying to argue this point. Sakura fans as just like Hinata ones. I'm dropping out of this one.
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    I don't think time prep matters in this case. Sakura is a konoha shinobi, one Shikamaru and Shino are both familiar with. He probably already knows her strengths and weaknesses. Just like Asuma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jb View Post
    I don't think time prep matters in this case. Sakura is a konoha shinobi, one Shikamaru and Shino are both familiar with. He probably already knows her strengths and weaknesses. Just like Asuma.
    .Have you been to the Naruto or any other fighting type manga forums/comic book forums and seen the Vs matches?That's what I'm getting at here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    I'd still take Shikamaru, Shino, and Rock Lee over Sakura.
    I agree about Shikamaru, but I haven't liked Rock Lee since Part 1 and Shino has always lacked personality imo, so I could care less about him. He isn't even that strong of a ninja.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorde View Post
    I agree about Shikamaru, but I haven't liked Rock Lee since Part 1 and Shino has always lacked personality imo, so I could care less about him. He isn't even that strong of a ninja.
    What does Shino's personality have to do with how good of a shinobi he is? Shino has always been viewed as one of the best among the Konoha 11. Rock Lee is the best taijutsu fighter among the group. If ever becomes as great as Might Guy, he'd be legendary. The Konoha 11's problems are they didn't get to battle much in part 2. Thankfully Team 10 got a glory spot in the war. But Kiba and Shino didn't. Hinata had her moment with Naruto. But If they got more powerful I'd consider Shikamaru, Shino, and Lee among the strongest. I would say Neji was the best behind Naruto and Sasuke...but he's dead now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    What does Shino's personality have to do with how good of a shinobi he is? Shino has always been viewed as one of the best among the Konoha 11.
    And what big achievements does Shino have? Because him failing to trap Tobi in his insect sphere and failing to beat Konan during the invasion seem like negatives imo.

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    I wouldn't call shakamu the strongest but the smartest in the konaha 11 or 10 because Neji is now dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorde View Post
    And what big achievements does Shino have? Because him failing to trap Tobi in his insect sphere and failing to beat Konan during the invasion seem like negatives imo.
    Shino only has one of the coolest abilities in Konoha. Failing to trap Tobi and failing to beat Konan hasn't seem to hurt him. The Konan fight happened off screen so who knows how that fight went, unless you watch the anime. I bet they made a filler out of it. And failing to trap Tobi, well you didn't really think the good guys were going to catch the guy they were presenting as the big bad back then, right? Shino is still really well praised among the fanbase and in the Naruto universe the teams usually think highly of him. I can see Shino being one of the top Jonin elite in the future where Naruto is Hokage.
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    I would dissect every last Sakura post, but I honestly don't think it's worth it anymore...
    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    I bet they made a filler out of it.
    There was nothing made.
    teams usually think highly of him.
    What teams think highly of Shino? Shino's underrated in the series and is hardly spoken of. The only team I've seen praise him was his own and Shikamaru if I remember correctly.

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    Anyone who watched Shino's matches were always impressed by him...or grossed out. Even Neji and Lee were taking note on Shino's bug jutsu during the Chunin Exam. Naruto was bummed that Shino wouldn't be able to join them to hunt Sasuke, because he considered him one of the more reliable bunch of the Konoha 11. Shino's only underrated in that kishi rarely uses him. Which is too bad. I found his battle with Kankuro one of the most original shinobi battles of part 1. That fight is highly underrated, but it was a fight you'd never seen before in Naruto. A lot of the Konoha Gennin had good fights in part 1. The Sound 4 battles were some of the most thrilling battles in the series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    Anyone who watched Shino's matches were always impressed by him...or grossed out. Even Neji and Lee were taking note on Shino's bug jutsu during the Chunin Exam. Naruto was bummed that Shino wouldn't be able to join them to hunt Sasuke, because he considered him one of the more reliable bunch of the Konoha 11. Shino's only underrated in that kishi rarely uses him. Which is too bad. I found his battle with Kankuro one of the most original shinobi battles of part 1. That fight is highly underrated, but it was a fight you'd never seen before in Naruto. A lot of the Konoha Gennin had good fights in part 1. The Sound 4 battles were some of the most thrilling battles in the series.
    And that is the reason why, it took place in Part 1. Not everyone remembers the events in Part 1, Shino could be an awesome asset, but like you said, Kishimoto rarely uses him just like Tenten who's considered his favorite of the four girls.

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    Shino only had two fights in Part 1 anyway didn't he? Against Zaku and Kankuro, the latter of which was basically a draw since he fainted from Kankuro's puppet's poison gas after Kankuro lost. So even during the series' prime, he was barely glorified. :x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorde View Post
    Shino only had two fights in Part 1 anyway didn't he? Against Zaku and Kankuro, the latter of which was basically a draw since he fainted from Kankuro's puppet's poison gas after Kankuro lost. So even during the series' prime, he was barely glorified. :x
    I never said Shino was glorified. I said he's considered one of the best from the Konoha 11 both by the fanbase and from the Naruto universe. If Shino isn't one then who is, besides Naruto and Sasuke?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    I never said Shino was glorified. I said he's considered one of the best from the Konoha 11 both by the fanbase and from the Naruto universe. If Shino isn't one then who is, besides Naruto and Sasuke?
    The best? None of us can say there is a best excluding Naruto and Sasuke because we'll most likely I can't stress that enough be relaying on our opinions with someone ready to disagree when they feel as if someone should/shouldn't be a higher or lower ranking. All of them were praised, but it's best to just go by the stats Kishimoto had wrote in the databooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuskie Tyrant Yoko Kurama View Post
    The best? None of us can say there is a best excluding Naruto and Sasuke because we'll most likely I can't stress that enough be relaying on our opinions with someone ready to disagree when they feel as if someone should/shouldn't be a higher or lower ranking. All of them were praised, but it's best to just go by the stats Kishimoto had wrote in the databooks.
    While it's true you can't really say who's the best, you can say which ones have done the most impressive feats for people to say that this guy or girl is a good ninja. At one point or another all the Gennin did something good, minus like Tenten, who had a moment of glory off panel...there is no greater disrespect then that. I'm not trying to sit here and say Shino is the next Hokage or anything. Only that he's been viewed as a strong shinobi whenever he's used.
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    what date the last databook even published

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