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    I think I agree with anyone who said Obito's death was well done minus Naruto calling him awesome. Although I might add that he didn't have as much closure with Kakashi than I would have expected (other than saving his life of course).

    As for Obito indirectly killing Naruto's parents, "guns don't kill people, people kill people!" Maybe this quote is appropriate?

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    And I'm glad Obito got a much more meaningful ending then Madara did. Obito was a much bigger influence in the Naruto series then Madara ever was.
    I highly doubt Madara is dead yet, it was an interesting plot twist but way too sudden to be real. And if you count Obito's life after his first "death" as having been manipulated by Madara, then everything Madara AND Obito did to influence the series can ultimately be attributed to Madara. Which apparently was all attributed to Black Zetsu/Kaguya.../Juubi/Giga Tree... or something. Lol.

    In other news, have you guys seen this yet:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3oSYxieqnw

    The main thing I got from this teaser is that Naruto's right hand is covered in bandages. Is that the hand with his Six Paths' Sun marking? Does this mean in the future Naruto will continue to have his hax powers, or at least some minor form of them?! Hmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamex View Post
    I think I agree with anyone who said Obito's death was well done minus Naruto calling him awesome. Although I might add that he didn't have as much closure with Kakashi than I would have expected (other than saving his life of course).

    As for Obito indirectly killing Naruto's parents, "guns don't kill people, people kill people!" Maybe this quote is appropriate?


    I highly doubt Madara is dead yet, it was an interesting plot twist but way too sudden to be real. And if you count Obito's life after his first "death" as having been manipulated by Madara, then everything Madara AND Obito did to influence the series can ultimately be attributed to Madara. Which apparently was all attributed to Black Zetsu/Kaguya.../Juubi/Giga Tree... or something. Lol.

    In other news, have you guys seen this yet:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3oSYxieqnw

    The main thing I got from this teaser is that Naruto's right hand is covered in bandages. Is that the hand with his Six Paths' Sun marking? Does this mean in the future Naruto will continue to have his hax powers, or at least some minor form of them?! Hmmm...
    Madara better be dead! Madara may be the only character in Naruto I can truly say I HATE! I don't normally throw the word hate around, because it's a strong word, but I cannot stand Madara. A boring, generic, overlord villain. I could go on and on about why Madara sucks as a character, but I'll spare you the rant. As far that comment about who influences who. Well as of right now Kaguya is the one behind everything. And while Obito was being manipulated, we don't find that out till the more then halfway through the war arc. Until then it was Obito as fake Madara calling the shots, making the plans, getting the bad guys together, and starting ****! The real Madara is a last minute villain who took all the myths being brought on Obito as Fakedara and suddenly he's the real threat. He has no personal connections to any of the characters fighting in the war, no real grudges between Naruto or Sasuke. He is simply the answer to Naruto and Sasuke's growing powers. That's all Madara is. His name got built as the villain on another character. It's like putting Darth Vader or Voldemorts name on some random villain only to reveal last minute that the bad guys you thought were the real bad guys were in fact not who they say they were. Anyway I've ranted about Madara's position in the Naruto world for weeks and weeks with other members now.


    Bottom line, Madara sucks and I hope his character stays dead. Good riddance, you boring killing machine with no personality beyond generic overlord.
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    I don't even know. What the heck can Naruto possibly see in Obito that makes him the "coolest". It can't possibly be him simply wanting to be Hokage, cause we already saw that wanting to be Hokage is something everyone seems to be after. And Obito getting rewarded with Rin... Anyway, looks like the final battle is nearly over.

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    I'll be more to the point this time. Chapter 416 I believe it is, Obito asks Sasuke what his true intentions are. Sasuke tells Obito/Fakedara that after hearing Itachi's story he won't forgive Konoha and plans to slaughter them all. Obito asks him that he thought he only wanted to kill the elders. Sasuke responds by saying he wants to slaughter everyone with his own hands. Sounds like a cold blooded killer villain to me. Even people who have no idea who the Uchiha are, Sasuke planned to kill them if they were of Konoha blood. Sasuke was a villain at this point. Now let me hear you argue this point. I want to hear your response.

    As far as your Obito, Itachi, and Nagato comments about being anti-heroes. Nagato didn't become a anti-hero until he was edo tenseied back to life and tried to help Naruto. But during his time as Pain he was a hardcore villain of the series. Obito became a anti-hero after Naruto changed him during their battle, but until then he was the big bad of the series...until Madara demoted him. Itachi is the only one who can really be argued and even he was playing a villain role for most of the series, even if by a fake. Not that any of that changes what I said about Sasuke.
    Seems like a translation issue then - the translation I use (mangapanda) tie his actions against them to making them understand his pain, which as mentioned, is a belief he already held, without any mention of "slaughter". He was already ready to attack and kill those who got in his way, doing so to Naruto and gang several times well before that point. So either he was a villain the entire time, or he didn't become one until he actually started killing innocent people.

    The point is that all three of them actually killed hundreds of innocent people without pause, yet them having that blood on their hands did nothing to stop them from being treated as good guys (as even the current chapter strangely shows). Sasuke never killed anyone in Konoha, despite what he said or what it appeared to be. Three times he chose to purposely set aside any action against the village to do other stuff. So if they aren't villains despite what they have done, how can he have been a villain before doing anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TsukiMirage View Post
    I don't even know. What the heck can Naruto possibly see in Obito that makes him the "coolest". It can't possibly be him simply wanting to be Hokage, cause we already saw that wanting to be Hokage is something everyone seems to be after. And Obito getting rewarded with Rin... Anyway, looks like the final battle is nearly over.

    Seems like a translation issue then - the translation I use (mangapanda) tie his actions against them to making them understand his pain, which as mentioned, is a belief he already held, without any mention of "slaughter". He was already ready to attack and kill those who got in his way, doing so to Naruto and gang several times well before that point. So either he was a villain the entire time, or he didn't become one until he actually started killing innocent people.

    The point is that all three of them actually killed hundreds of innocent people without pause, yet them having that blood on their hands did nothing to stop them from being treated as good guys (as even the current chapter strangely shows). Sasuke never killed anyone in Konoha, despite what he said or what it appeared to be. Three times he chose to purposely set aside any action against the village to do other stuff. So if they aren't villains despite what they have done, how can he have been a villain before doing anything?
    Sounds like translation issues indeed. Well I'm holding the actual volume 45 where it states Sasukes actions as genocide. As far as how Sasuke could be a villain before doing anything, Sasuke tells Obito the truth behind his actions. He plans to kill everyone in Konoha. Everyone! Whether they were involved with the Uchiha incident or not. He didn't get around to killing anyone, but the entire point is he was planning too. Sasuke was going to kill innocent people over the Uchiha incident. That is the actions of a cold blooded killer. He was attempting mass genocide on Konoha. That sounds way more like a villain then a anti-hero. In my opinion Sasuke went from a regular good guy, when he joined Orochimaru he became a anti-hero, when he announced his plans to kill Konoha he was a full blown villain, and then he became a anti-hero again when he teamed with Itachi and started questioning his motives and needed the dead Hokage for answers of the truth. That's how I see Sasuke.
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    I simply figured that Naruto respected Obito's sacrifice tbh, which made him "cool" in Naruto's eyes. Naruto has bigger fish to fry anyway and it's not like him to hold a grudge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorde View Post
    I simply figured that Naruto respected Obito's sacrifice tbh, which made him "cool" in Naruto's eyes. Naruto has bigger fish to fry anyway and it's not like him to hold a grudge.
    You gotta wonder how big of an impact those last few words will have on Naruto. It might just be me but his design in The Last looks a lot like Obito.

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    Hey guys! Remember that funny Rock Lee spinoff that got its own anime? Both the manga and anime ended in the last two years, but now there's another spinoff!

    ...Starring Sasuke...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolipiece View Post
    Hey guys! Remember that funny Rock Lee spinoff that got its own anime? Both the manga and anime ended in the last two years, but now there's another spinoff!

    ...Starring Sasuke...
    LOL, I will only love it if Sasuke is constantly asked to join these different teams because the leader of those teams always tells him a different story about the Uchiha legacy. Other then that, Sasuke is not at all a humorous character so I wonder how that would even work.
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    So Kishi finally gave his beloved Sasuke a spin-off. Kii. I don't think it'll be received well though; Sasuke as the main character of a comedy manga sounds so wrong. :x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorde View Post
    So Kishi finally gave his beloved Sasuke a spin-off. Kii. I don't think it'll be received well though; Sasuke as the main character of a comedy manga sounds so wrong. :x
    Oh I'm sure they can think of some funny gags to do with Sasuke's situation. Here's a example
    Orochimaru: "Sasuke! Come with me! I'll grant you power to kill your older brother!"
    Sasuke: "Hmm? Well okay. Sure your my enemy and your far weaker then Itachi, but I'll trust that you know how to give me the power to beat him, despite the fact that for all your knowledge of justu you can't match my brother."
    Orochimaru: "Splendid."

    And then after three years of training.
    Sasuke: "Orochimaru, all this training you are making me do is pointless. We Uchiha's gain power by evolving our Sharingan."
    Orochimaru: "But Sasuke! You must train your body as well!"
    Sasuke: "That was in part 1, and a ploy to show that Rock Lee was a strong rival. In part 2 we threw that crap out. Now by simply evolving Sharingan I can beat Gokage level opponents with simple eye power. And no matter how much you train me, I'll never evolve Sharingan this way. Unless I consider you my friend and kill you to gain MS. And I don't consider you a friend."
    Orochimaru: "..."

    There's plenty of wacky stuff they could do with Sasuke in a comedy manga. They just have to use the material they already have and make it humorous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamex View Post
    In other news, have you guys seen this yet:
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    well atleast they confirmed the movie is going to be canon and idk y people are hating on his new design it looks nice...now im just waiting for kakashi's face to be revealed

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    All they have to do is basically model him after Part 1 Sasuke. I know a lot of people have forgotten his personality from here. Just go back and watch the episode they try to see Kakashi's face. xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    Oh I'm sure they can think of some funny gags to do with Sasuke's situation. Here's a example
    Orochimaru: "Sasuke! Come with me! I'll grant you power to kill your older brother!"
    Sasuke: "Hmm? Well okay. Sure your my enemy and your far weaker then Itachi, but I'll trust that you know how to give me the power to beat him, despite the fact that for all your knowledge of justu you can't match my brother."
    Orochimaru: "Splendid."

    And then after three years of training.
    Sasuke: "Orochimaru, all this training you are making me do is pointless. We Uchiha's gain power by evolving our Sharingan."
    Orochimaru: "But Sasuke! You must train your body as well!"
    Sasuke: "That was in part 1, and a ploy to show that Rock Lee was a strong rival. In part 2 we threw that crap out. Now by simply evolving Sharingan I can beat Gokage level opponents with simple eye power. And no matter how much you train me, I'll never evolve Sharingan this way. Unless I consider you my friend and kill you to gain MS. And I don't consider you a friend."
    Orochimaru: "..."

    There's plenty of wacky stuff they could do with Sasuke in a comedy manga. They just have to use the material they already have and make it humorous.
    That sounds more like an amusing satire than a spin-off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agility View Post
    All they have to do is basically model him after Part 1 Sasuke. I know a lot of people have forgotten his personality from here. Just go back and watch the episode they try to see Kakashi's face. xD
    That was a filler actually, not canon :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokeMaster366 View Post
    That sounds more like an amusing satire than a spin-off.
    Well yeah, because the spin-off is supposed to be comedic, as implied in the preliminary summary.

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    Sasuke is already getting a comedy special with Itachi in the upcoming Storm game and from what I've seen of it, it's really good.

    The series is ending and to not make it as sad, Sasuke is going to try and make us laugh lol

    I wonder how this one will compare to Rock Lee's, I thought that spinoff was one of the funniest shows I've evEr seen.

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    So the movie is canon? Well that's annoying. Because then I'll be forced to watch and listen to the horrible voices of these characters and their over dramatic music. It's strange that I love the manga but detest the anime.

    Well whatever. I just wanted my Team Minato spinoff. I know one was never ever going to happen. But that would have pleased me before the series ended. I wanted to remember Obito from the good ole days rather then Fakedara, and to see Kakashi as a arrogant punk. I suppose it's a dream that will never come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    So the movie is canon? Well that's annoying. Because then I'll be forced to watch and listen to the horrible voices of these characters and their over dramatic music. It's strange that I love the manga but detest the anime.
    I don't know I feel like no mangaka would spoil the ending of ones manga with a movie. The Naruto and Sasuke fight alone is gonna last at least 30-40 and I clearly see a good 100 chapters remaining for the overall story. All I could possibly see is that another time skip might be in order, and the movie just is a AU type story to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by besho View Post
    I don't know I feel like no mangaka would spoil the ending of ones manga with a movie. The Naruto and Sasuke fight alone is gonna last at least 30-40 and I clearly see a good 100 chapters remaining for the overall story. All I could possibly see is that another time skip might be in order, and the movie just is a AU type story to it.
    I don't think there needs to be another time skip. However the Naruto and Sasuke fight...I guess needs to still happen? To be perfectly honest, after back to back Obito, Madara, and Kaguya fights, I'm battled out from big showdowns in Naruto. Between those three Super Freaks, you've done everything possible in a Naruto fight. I don't even think a Naruto vs Sasuke battle would even compare. I suppose it could happen. I mean it ended Part 1, but personally I found some of the Sound Four battles to be way better Part 1 finales then Naruto vs Sasuke in the Vally of ends. Mangawise anyway. This is the only time you'll see me praise the anime for doing something way better then the manga. Mangawise Naruto vs Sasuke was really one sided and lacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    Madara better be dead! Madara may be the only character in Naruto I can truly say I HATE! I don't normally throw the word hate around, because it's a strong word, but I cannot stand Madara. A boring, generic, overlord villain. I could go on and on about why Madara sucks as a character, but I'll spare you the rant.
    As much as I appreciate you sparing me the rant, I have to say I disagree with you. I think Madara is a deep character. There were so many things in the dark about his intentions and history that we slowly learned, and even now I feel like it's hard to completely sympathize with his character (because he's complicated, not because he's nonsensical). Looking into the past, we saw the crazy life he lived in his youth during the Warring States period, the intricate relationship/friendship/rivarly he had with Hashirama, the implications of said relationship on the entire world thereafter, the weight of his clan's well-being (including his remaining brother) on his shoulders, the responsibility and decisions he made concerning his rare skill and ocular powers, all the conclusions and changes of heart he made throughout his life up until he finally decided to desert the young Leaf village and become a true villain, the crazy plan he concocted after reading the Uchiha Stone Monument, etc...

    And yes, after all of that, we know him current day to be a pretty straight-forward, seemingly-non-dimensional, hax villain on the surface. But considering everything that lead him to this point and everything that must be theoretically going on in his mind that's resulted in his megalomania, I don't think any of that is a good enough reason to consider him boring and generic. That being said, I am not one of those who would consider Obito to be a poorly-written villain (at least not entirely).


    As far that comment about who influences who. Well as of right now Kaguya is the one behind everything. And while Obito was being manipulated, we don't find that out till the more then halfway through the war arc. Until then it was Obito as fake Madara calling the shots, making the plans, getting the bad guys together, and starting ****! The real Madara is a last minute villain who took all the myths being brought on Obito as Fakedara and suddenly he's the real threat. He has no personal connections to any of the characters fighting in the war, no real grudges between Naruto or Sasuke. He is simply the answer to Naruto and Sasuke's growing powers. That's all Madara is. His name got built as the villain on another character. It's like putting Darth Vader or Voldemorts name on some random villain only to reveal last minute that the bad guys you thought were the real bad guys were in fact not who they say they were. Anyway I've ranted about Madara's position in the Naruto world for weeks and weeks with other members now.
    I mean, you make it sound like there was absolutely no hint that Tobi could have possibly been a fake Madara to begin with. He wore a mask, he seemed very young, other than his Sharingan there was no direct way to relate any of his powers (namely his Space-Time Ninjutsu) to Madara's, and there was a lot of mystery behind the sudden reappearance of this apparent "Madara Uchiha". So while I see your point of how the real Madara seemed to come out of no where (and I can even imagine how the series could have been had Tobi really been Madara after all, it's totally possible if I'm not mistaken), I feel like you're not giving the story enough credit and yes "hate" is probably too strong of a word here I would hope. :P

    But you're right about Madara having no personal connections to any of the characters fighting in the war (other than Hashirama, Tobirama and I suppose the Tsuchikage). At least we had two simultaneous villains towards the end to cover any gaps (Madara and Obito). *shrugs*


    Bottom line, Madara sucks and I hope his character stays dead. Good riddance, you boring killing machine with no personality beyond generic overlord.
    I certainly hope he has more closure, he deserves that much at least IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    Mangawise Naruto vs Sasuke was really one sided and lacking.
    Well sure Sasuke had the upper hand in that fight, because he was supposed to be the last one standing so that he could successfully defect to Otogakure or wherever Orochimaru was.

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    after watching the naruto shippuden episode today it reminded me of a question that always made me wonder
    if minato had survived the nine tails attack how would he have dealt with the uchiha rebellion?would it still have happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamex View Post
    As much as I appreciate you sparing me the rant, I have to say I disagree with you. I think Madara is a deep character. There were so many things in the dark about his intentions and history that we slowly learned, and even now I feel like it's hard to completely sympathize with his character (because he's complicated, not because he's nonsensical). Looking into the past, we saw the crazy life he lived in his youth during the Warring States period, the intricate relationship/friendship/rivarly he had with Hashirama, the implications of said relationship on the entire world thereafter, the weight of his clan's well-being (including his remaining brother) on his shoulders, the responsibility and decisions he made concerning his rare skill and ocular powers, all the conclusions and changes of heart he made throughout his life up until he finally decided to desert the young Leaf village and become a true villain, the crazy plan he concocted after reading the Uchiha Stone Monument, etc...

    And yes, after all of that, we know him current day to be a pretty straight-forward, seemingly-non-dimensional, hax villain on the surface. But considering everything that lead him to this point and everything that must be theoretically going on in his mind that's resulted in his megalomania, I don't think any of that is a good enough reason to consider him boring and generic. That being said, I am not one of those who would consider Obito to be a poorly-written villain (at least not entirely).



    I mean, you make it sound like there was absolutely no hint that Tobi could have possibly been a fake Madara to begin with. He wore a mask, he seemed very young, other than his Sharingan there was no direct way to relate any of his powers (namely his Space-Time Ninjutsu) to Madara's, and there was a lot of mystery behind the sudden reappearance of this apparent "Madara Uchiha". So while I see your point of how the real Madara seemed to come out of no where (and I can even imagine how the series could have been had Tobi really been Madara after all, it's totally possible if I'm not mistaken), I feel like you're not giving the story enough credit and yes "hate" is probably too strong of a word here I would hope. :P

    But you're right about Madara having no personal connections to any of the characters fighting in the war (other than Hashirama, Tobirama and I suppose the Tsuchikage). At least we had two simultaneous villains towards the end to cover any gaps (Madara and Obito). *shrugs*



    I certainly hope he has more closure, he deserves that much at least IMO.
    I'm close to hating Madara. I still just dislike him. If I hate a character, my rants would be much worse and I would not give the character any credit. I can at least say Madara was the answer to Naruto and Sasuke's overpowered...powers. I'm not trying to say there was no possible way that Tobi couldn't have been Madara. I just think it was done poorly. At best I thought Tobi was either a imperfect clone of Madara trying to be whole or a weak Madara not at full power, though I use to run around here spreading the dreaded Future Sasuke idea. My main issue with Madara was how last minute the character feels. It's not as bad as Kaguya, but to me it still feels like the villain who started all this between Naruto and friends, was not the villain to end this and instead it's a character who has no history at all with Naruto and IMO had no dynamic with anyone outside Hashirama. This really kills the battle for me if there's no dynamic. It didn't feel personal at all between Naruto and Madara. Obito on the other hand has done many things to generate hate from the main cast. Killing Naruto's parents with Kyuubi, starting the war, getting Sasuke to join the bad guys, Sending Pain to blow up Konoha and capture Naruto. It did feel personal between Naruto and Obito. But with Madara? All the guy has is his Hashirama boner when he sense him nearby. That's like the only general emotion I ever got from Madara.

    To make my long essay short, to me Madara does not feel like the final villain he should be. He's simply a generic bad guy that needs to be stopped and his chemistry with his opponents is also lacking. And this makes me dislike him DX
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    I'm close to hating Madara. I still just dislike him. If I hate a character, my rants would be much worse and I would not give the character any credit. I can at least say Madara was the answer to Naruto and Sasuke's overpowered...powers. I'm not trying to say there was no possible way that Tobi couldn't have been Madara. I just think it was done poorly. At best I thought Tobi was either a imperfect clone of Madara trying to be whole or a weak Madara not at full power, though I use to run around here spreading the dreaded Future Sasuke idea. My main issue with Madara was how last minute the character feels. It's not as bad as Kaguya, but to me it still feels like the villain who started all this between Naruto and friends, was not the villain to end this and instead it's a character who has no history at all with Naruto and IMO had no dynamic with anyone outside Hashirama. This really kills the battle for me if there's no dynamic. It didn't feel personal at all between Naruto and Madara. Obito on the other hand has done many things to generate hate from the main cast. Killing Naruto's parents with Kyuubi, starting the war, getting Sasuke to join the bad guys, Sending Pain to blow up Konoha and capture Naruto. It did feel personal between Naruto and Obito. But with Madara? All the guy has is his Hashirama boner when he sense him nearby. That's like the only general emotion I ever got from Madara.

    To make my long essay short, to me Madara does not feel like the final villain he should be. He's simply a generic bad guy that needs to be stopped and his chemistry with his opponents is also lacking. And this makes me dislike him DX
    The thing is, after Madara was reincarnated and even after Tobi's identity was revealed, Obito didn't just cease being the villain to offer Madara the pedestal. Madara became the "big bad" I suppose, but other than proving that he was nearly unstoppable, he still pretty much held a backseat to Obito as the lead villain for the time being, so I feel like nothing really effectively changed. And then when Obito was defeated and Madara finally went into action, then I'd say you're right that he kind of just served as a humongous hurdle for Naruto and Sasuke to knock down (or attempt to - they technically never beat him). But to be honest, did that really matter? We already got plenty of personal battles and whatnot from previous battles, ending with Obito's. Maybe Madara's main purpose, plot-wise, was to be the ultimate challenge (well, Kaguya notwithstanding... >_>). Besides, Madara's beef with Hashirama was bigger than just the two of them, for two reasons: one, the whole Ashura/Indra parallels (which connects Madara to Naruto and Sasuke after all); and two, Madara basically represented the whole "force peace on everyone because there's no other way to achieve it" ideology. Many characters represented this, but Madara was the one with the biggest push to make it happen, and Naruto's main purpose (in Part II at least) was to fight that way of thinking head on. [EDIT: And for Sasuke, Hashirama's relationship with Madara and their history is what finally got him on the heroes' side again, so battling Madara alongside Naruto was symbolic for him.] And besides, Madara only really lasted in the limelight long enough for us to have some crazy battles, then Black Zetsu quickly stole his thunder... what Madara represents and his influence on the series was his true contribution to the story.

    So basically what I'm saying is even if Madara is more or less what you make him out to be, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Not that I expect you to change your mind. In fact, I agree that it would have been better if Madara had a direct relationship with the main characters.
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