Naruto: Post Timeskip Disscussion (Warning Intense Spoilers!)

[uber gon]

i don't know... to me it would be a surprise if Jiraya stays alive...
ohh, i'm excited to see grown-up Gamakichi aswell! Gamatatsu is a pain in the butt though.
i don't think Kishimoto would make Naruto that strong. i mean, he already has Kyuubi's chakra. still, it would be nice to watch and a little help from his toad pals wouldn't hurt anyone... well, only Pain.

I just wanna see Naruto do a jutsu with Gamakichi and Gamatatsu. Heck, maybe they could do something like an ice jutsu. Gamakichi and Gamataysu provide water and Naruto, who learns how to breath air, freezes the water into shards of death.

[RedSuzaku]

No, he'll just turn Sasuke into a god.

until now, from what i've seen, Sasuke's already god...

I just wanna see Naruto do a jutsu with Gamakichi and Gamatatsu. Heck, maybe they could do something like an ice jutsu. Gamakichi and Gamataysu provide water and Naruto, who learns how to breath air, freezes the water into shards of death.

personally i want to see Naruto using the fire element to create kicka** jutsus. maybe even some Fuuton/Katon Rasengan! since Gamakichi should be able to use oil like his old man his combos with Naruto would be totally awesome!

as much as using ice jutsus is cool i don't think that Kishimoto will make Naruto learn Haku's unique ability. gosh, combining elements must be freakin hard! there's even a Bijuu that can do such things.

[uber gon]

until now, from what i've seen, Sasuke's already god...



personally i want to see Naruto using the fire element to create kicka** jutsus. maybe even some Fuuton/Katon Rasengan! since Gamakichi should be able to use oil like his old man his combos with Naruto would be totally awesome!

as much as using ice jutsus is cool i don't think that Kishimoto will make Naruto learn Haku's unique ability. gosh, combining elements must be freakin hard! there's even a Bijuu that can do such things.

Well it's most likely that Naruto will master water, to counterpart Sasuke.

Bijuus are the tailed demons, right?

[BattleFranky~40]

Bijuus are the tailed demons, right?

Yes, that's correct. However, Suzaku is incorrect. The Jinchuuriki himself was the one with an elemental fusion specialty, not the Bijuu.

[The Doctor]

Yeah, much like Gaara's control over sand. The Shukaku let him control most (if not all) sand and shield him with said minerals, but he had the idea of using it for Desert Coffin and Desert Funeral.

[Gentleman Skeleton]

Yes, that's correct. However, Suzaku is incorrect. The Jinchuuriki himself was the one with an elemental fusion specialty, not the Bijuu.

Except in the case of the Four-Tailed whatever it was. Kisame stated that it gave it's Jinchuuriki the power to use a boatload of elemental combos.

[RedSuzaku]

Yes, that's correct. However, Suzaku is incorrect. The Jinchuuriki himself was the one with an elemental fusion specialty, not the Bijuu.

Chapter 353

Kisame: "The 'four tailes' uses many different elemental fusions. This Jinchuuriki was no pushover, I assure you."

[BattleFranky~40]

Chapter 353

Kisame: "The 'four tailes' uses many different elemental fusions. This Jinchuuriki was no pushover, I assure you."

And you assume 'four tails' refers to the Bijuu itself, when they've referred to Naruto as the 'nine tails' many times prior?

[RedSuzaku]

And you assume 'four tails' refers to the Bijuu itself, when they've referred to Naruto as the 'nine tails' many times prior?

people call Naruto the "Kyuubi Jinchuuriki" or even the "Kyuubi kid" but not just Kyuubi. also, Bijuus transfere abilities to their respective Jinchuuriki like Yugito, who could use Nibi's fire element, Gaara controling sand because of Shukaku or Naruto being able to use Kyuubi's chakra.

[BattleFranky~40]

people call Naruto the "Kyuubi Jinchuuriki" or even the "Kyuubi kid" but not just Kyuubi. also, Bijuus transfere abilities to their respective Jinchuuriki like Yugito, who could use Nibi's fire element, Gaara controling sand because of Shukaku or Naruto being able to use Kyuubi's chakra.

Naruto's manipulation of wind and Gaara's manipulation of sand are all of their own ability, their Bijuus just give them a boost in power and chakra mass.

Nothing was ever said about Yugito, so for all we know her element was, in fact, fire, and the Nibi just multiplies it and allows her to take the shape of the Two-tailed cat.

The exact same that can be said for them also applies to the old guy. His abilities involved chakra fusion, and his Bijuu either amplified that or had some unknown ability that we'll never know of.

That is, if the Bijuu even have any special abilities outside of a hell of a lot of chakra and enough strength to topple a village.

[RedSuzaku]

Naruto's manipulation of wind and Gaara's manipulation of sand are all of their own ability, their Bijuus just give them a boost in power and chakra mass.

Nothing was ever said about Yugito, so for all we know her element was, in fact, fire, and the Nibi just multiplies it and allows her to take the shape of the Two-tailed cat.

The exact same that can be said for them also applies to the old guy. His abilities involved chakra fusion, and his Bijuu either amplified that or had some unknown ability that we'll never know of.

That is, if the Bijuu even have any special abilities outside of a hell of a lot of chakra and enough strength to topple a village.

Gaara's manipulation of sand is Shukaku's ability... and i wasn't talking about the use of wind in Naruto's case. the power that Kyuubi provides is to unlock it's enormous quantity of chakra, wind element is indeed Naruto's own ability.

and your logic fails at one thing. it's not like you choose someone to host a Bijuu by his/her abilities. take Yugito for example, what would happen if her element was lightining? Nibi uses fire element so this would mean that she couldn't use it's power? i mean, if they have different chakra natures there wouldn't be anything to increase.

but you're not completely wrong. Jinchuurikis are able to have a better control of the Bijuu's abilities making them stronger than if the demon didn't have any host, just like Deidara mentioned.

[BattleFranky~40]

Gaara's manipulation of sand is Shukaku's ability... and i wasn't talking about the use of wind in Naruto's case. the power that Kyuubi provides is to unlock it's enormous quantity of chakra, wind element is indeed Naruto's own ability.

Just like sand to Gaara. He's already shown that he is able to manipulate it without the Shukaku, just not as proficientally.

and your logic fails at one thing. it's not like you choose someone to host a Bijuu by his/her abilities. take Yugito for example, what would happen if her element was lightining? Nibi uses fire element so this would mean that she couldn't use it's power? i mean, if they have different chakra natures there wouldn't be anything to increase.

Like I've already said, who says the Bijuu are restricted to a single element? Who says they are not just beasts? What evidence do you have that Shukaku was the sole thing that allows Gaara to manipulate sand (which is just plain incorrect), Nibi was the sole thing that allows Yugito's use of fire, or the old guy wasn't the one who could use fusion jutsus, but his Bijuu?

You act as if every single element, jutsu, or technique in the series is the result of a demon inside somebody, which is just plain ridiculous. You act as if the ninjas has absolutely no abilities of their own and simply rely on jutsus that monsters are magically able to execute.

The Bijuus are nothing more than beasts with a mountain of burnable chakra.

[Anzua2]

Just like sand to Gaara. He's already shown that he is able to manipulate it without the Shukaku, just not as proficientally.


Like I've already said, who says the Bijuu are restricted to a single element? Who says they are not just beasts? What evidence do you have that Shukaku was the sole thing that allows Gaara to manipulate sand (which is just plain incorrect), Nibi was the sole thing that allows Yugito's use of fire, or the old guy wasn't the one who could use fusion jutsus, but his Bijuu?

You act as if every single element, jutsu, or technique in the series is the result of a demon inside somebody, which is just plain ridiculous. You act as if the ninjas has absolutely no abilities of their own and simply rely on jutsus that monsters are magically able to execute.

The Bijuus are nothing more than beasts with a mountain of burnable chakra.

That said, it seems Naruto is the only Bijuu container who relies almost completely on his Bijuu.

[BattleFranky~40]

That said, it seems Naruto is the only Bijuu container who relies almost completely on his Bijuu.

Which is why he blows hard.

[RedSuzaku]

Just like sand to Gaara. He's already shown that he is able to manipulate it without the Shukaku, just not as proficientally.

which can also be a "scar" of his previous use as Shukaku's host. we'll never know since no other Jinchuuriki survived after Akatsuki's Bijuu extraction ritual.

Like I've already said, who says the Bijuu are restricted to a single element? Who says they are not just beasts? What evidence do you have that Shukaku was the sole thing that allows Gaara to manipulate sand (which is just plain incorrect), Nibi was the sole thing that allows Yugito's use of fire, or the old guy wasn't the one who could use fusion jutsus, but his Bijuu?

Nibi is based on the Nekomata, a demon of japanese folklore that has the ability of using ghostly fireballs which pretty much explains Nibi's fire element. of course this works for Bijuu's that have elemental abilities (and until now we've only seen Nibi) but if we think about it, Kyuubi is supposed to be the Kitsune whose power increases by the number of tailes it has, like Kyuubi's influence on Naruto. so it should be based on japanese culture like many other things in the manga.

You act as if every single element, jutsu, or technique in the series is the result of a demon inside somebody, which is just plain ridiculous. You act as if the ninjas has absolutely no abilities of their own and simply rely on jutsus that monsters are magically able to execute.

oh, yeah! that's exactly why i said:

the power that Kyuubi provides is to unlock it's enormous quantity of chakra, wind element is indeed Naruto's own ability.

and if i thought like that, no other ninja except for Jinchuuriki would have abilities. which would mean that there wouldn't be any shinobi or that everyone would have a Bijuu sealed inside them.

[uber gon]

How about we just talk about the probability of Gamakichi or Gamatatsu returning. Oh, and Gaara is still able to control sand, just not to a very great degree.

[RedSuzaku]

the spoilers are out...

IT'S KUSHINA!! yeah! she's so beautiful and pregnant, long hair, gentle expression... she doesn't seems to have Naruto's personality at all but we'll have to wait for more flashbacks. it looks like Jiraya remembered when Yondaime and Kushina were discussing the baby's name, maybe we'll get to know more about Naruto?
well, someflashbacks of Tsunade, Sandaime, Yondaime, Kushina and Orochimaru. and the last page is out, it shows Jiraya bleeding like hell so he should be dying next chapter... *sigh* oh, Jiraya...

[The Doctor]

Ugh, just let Jiraiya die already! It'll be interesting to see Kushina and Minato, at least.

[Gentleman Skeleton]

Ugh, just let Jiraiya die already! It'll be interesting to see Kushina and Minato, at least.

Here ya' go
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[PokemonBreederChris]

I really just want Tobi to fight Naruto and co.

and if my assumptions are correct, I'd say Tobi having a nice fight with Kakashi, then maybe the Tobito myth might be true, it is a possibility and there are signs of it. Also, I like Tobi, but something tells me with Naruto...he'd be the next major villian if not taken care of soon.

Or him and Kakashi do a gallactic battle in which both of them die, with many memories and such, and maybe we should learn about what happened to Rin? I don't know. I just want Naruto to stop being so chaotic and finish these prolonged fights.