Naruto: Post Timeskip Disscussion (Warning Intense Spoilers!)

[7 tyranitars]

How is it strange that Kakashis MS activated before the series started and he claimed he got it in the timeskip? As some of you might have noticed Kakashi fainted right away. He might have not even noticed he activated it until years later. It seems plausible to me. Also MS doesn't activate when in a battle it activates when losing someone close to you.

[Crimsonlink]

How is it strange that Kakashis MS activated before the series started and he claimed he got it in the timeskip? As some of you might have noticed Kakashi fainted right away. He might have not even noticed he activated it until years later. It seems plausible to me. Also MS doesn't activate when in a battle it activates when losing someone close to you.

So I guess Sasuke's whole clan dying and him losing them doesn't count? Nor the fact that its been stated you must kill the person closest to you to unlock the MS?

[PokeMaster366]

So I guess Sasuke's whole clan dying and him losing them doesn't count? Nor the fact that its been stated you must kill the person closest to you to unlock the MS?

Perhaps the MS is triggered by the pain of loss, and the only sure-fire way to make someone know that pain in intense volume is for them to kill whoever is closest to them.

[TsukiMirage]

The Mangekyou Sharingan doesn't activate when you're in danger. That's the Sharingan. The Mangekyou Sharingan only activates when you experience great loss. Sasuke's activated AFTER his fight with Itachi and Itachi's activated his some time after Shisui's death. Since it's already active in his eye then he would have to activate it himself so even if the Mangekyou Sharingan activated in response to danger it wouldn't because it's already been shown.

I don't know what you're trying to prove here. The Sharingan and the Mangekyou Sharingan have different ways of activation. If the Mangekyou Sharingan activated in times of danger then Sasuke would have gotten his against Deidara because he was extremely close to dying.

The MS techniques do though. Sasuke did so with Amaterasu against Kirabi, Susanoo against Ee and Danzo. Obito did so with Kamui this very chapter. We've seen that when in danger, a MS technique will activate even if the user isn't aware of their existences. All that matters is that they're in danger. For Kakashi not to know, one must presume that he never got in a dangerous situation since this fight, which would be weird.

[pwnswitchclik]

So I guess Sasuke's whole clan dying and him losing them doesn't count? Nor the fact that its been stated you must kill the person closest to you to unlock the MS?

He couldn't because he hasn't even awaken his normal sharigan, at that time.

[Shadow Lucario]

So I guess Sasuke's whole clan dying and him losing them doesn't count? Nor the fact that its been stated you must kill the person closest to you to unlock the MS?

Itachi told Sasuke that a long time ago so that he would assume that he is a villain that needs to be killed. If that was what you had to do to get the Mangekyou Sharingan then neither Sasuke or Obito would have it because they did not kill the person closest to them. And as for his clan dying, he was never really close with any of them except Itachi and MAYBE his mother.

The MS techniques do though. Sasuke did so with Amaterasu against Kirabi, Susanoo against Ee and Danzo. Obito did so with Kamui this very chapter. We've seen that when in danger, a MS technique will activate even if the user isn't aware of their existences. All that matters is that they're in danger. For Kakashi not to know, one must presume that he never got in a dangerous situation since this fight, which would be weird.

No they don't. Sasuke knew full well about the Amaterasu. He was seen using his Mangekyou Sharingan just before they fought Bee. And he involuntarily used Amaterasu when he saw Obito's Sharingan. As for Obito, he used the technique because he was still using the Mangekyou Sharingan. It was active in his eye. Since Kakashi does not remember it, he cannot activate it, and therefore cannot use Kamui.

[TsukiMirage]

No they don't. Sasuke knew full well about the Amaterasu. He was seen using his Mangekyou Sharingan just before they fought Bee. And he involuntarily used Amaterasu when he saw Obito's Sharingan. As for Obito, he used the technique because he was still using the Mangekyou Sharingan. It was active in his eye. Since Kakashi does not remember it, he cannot activate it, and therefore cannot use Kamui.

Against Kirabi was the first time Sasuke used his Amaterasu, and he needed to reflect on his feeling for his teammates to do so. One does not have to have MS already active for it to activate defensively, as shown with Sasuke's Susanoo against Ee.

[Kamex]

One does not have to have MS already active for it to activate defensively, as shown with Sasuke's Susanoo against Ee.

Meh... unless I'm missing something, after rereading that chapter, I think that's arguable. There didn't seem to be any evidence of whether Sasuke activated Susanoo intentionally or not.

[TsukiMirage]

Meh... unless I'm missing something, after rereading that chapter, I think that's arguable. There didn't seem to be any evidence of whether Sasuke activated Susanoo intentionally or not.

Earlier chapters indicate that Sasuke had the idea about it and purposely fought to bring it out.

[7 tyranitars]

Against Kirabi was the first time Sasuke used his Amaterasu, and he needed to reflect on his feeling for his teammates to do so. One does not have to have MS already active for it to activate defensively, as shown with Sasuke's Susanoo against Ee.

Are you sure his MS wasn't active?

[TsukiMirage]

Are you sure his MS wasn't active?

Not when he charged Ee and was caught.

[Ciccone]

I was pleasantly surprised by Obito's rampage in last week's chapter; I had no idea he could use Mokuton, although it's quite obvious that he was only able to do so because of Spiral Zetsu. But Jesus, Kishi outdid himself with all the blood and gore. It was reminiscent of Part 1 in my opinion. Anyway, I hope the flashback actually moves forward this week (we should be getting the chapter in the next few hours). I'm glad that we saw how Rin died, but things need to speed up a bit. :x

[Kamex]

Anyway, I hope the flashback actually moves forward this week (we should be getting the chapter in the next few hours). I'm glad that we saw how Rin died, but things need to speed up a bit. :x

Well I think you got your wish. A lot more seemed to happen this chapter, and now we know the full nature of Zetsu. I personally still feel like we should have seen more of Obito's transformation between the massacre incident last chapter following Rin's death and Obito conforming to Madara and becoming his apprentice, because I feel like he jumped from being an innocent young shinobi with potential to a dangerous, up-and-coming, evil genius mastermind a little too quickly. But I guess being under Madara's brainwashing plus tutelage is enough to do it. Anyway, other than that I enjoyed this chapter.

Despite how much info/story we got, there are still several discrepancies left to be explained particularly in regards to Obito's age (hopefully they won't just be left as plot holes). But for now, I just wish I could tell what age Obito was when he awakened his MS and more importantly, what age he was at the end of the chapter when he met Nagato. Anyone know? I'm too lazy to put two and two together right now.

[Platinum fan.]

This weeks chapter was actually very enjoyable. It didn't feel like it was dragging out and it was very informative. I'm glad Obito/Tobi didn't just flat out say he wanted world peace. He wanted a dream world to set everything right between himself, Rin and Kakashi too I guess. I was afraid the story was going to make the mistake and have Obito say he wanted world peace, because he already told Naruto that that was Nagato's dream and not his. Zetsu has been fully explained now which is great and all of Madara's dirty little secrets are coming out in a way where it's not so unbelievable, at least for not. I enjoyed this weeks chapter. Even the Rinnegan seems somewhat less cheap on how to obtain it.

[gliscor&yanmega]

Yay Zetsu origins revealed. Now just needs to go rouge and be final villain.

In the end, Zetsu was basically the offspring of Madara and Hashirama, and they said you need a man and a women to make a baby, ha!

[vodor]

See , My theory came true !

[SharpedoX]

Very interesting chapter. Got so many doubts answered. Kishi is doing a fantastic job tying all these... loose-ends (is that what you call them?). Finally knowing Zetsu's purpose and his true nature was actually pretty amazing. Very interesting chapter altogether. Don't see how flashbacks are going to end (don't suppose it's going to be in the next few weeks but I'm actually excited where we're headed for). Just excited to see what kind of jutsu Madara taught Obito. Just the name seems promising.

[Joltik-Kid]

Well this chapter confirmed that unless Sasuke somehow get's his hands on Senju Cells... he's not gonna ever awaken the Rinnegan. Unless Kishi makes a plot hole for that

[Ciccone]

I was kind of disappointed with this chapter. Don't get me wrong, things finally started moving at the end, but the beginning was kind of redundant; Kishi basically regurgitated things he wrote a few weeks ago. Also, Obito's goal was a bit of a letdown. His plan to bring peace and love into the world, even if it's just as an illusion, seems really childish.

[Locormus]

Well this chapter confirmed that unless Sasuke somehow get's his hands on Senju Cells... he's not gonna ever awaken the Rinnegan. Unless Kishi makes a plot hole for that

I'm sure Uzumaki cells will suffice in Kishi's world.. -.-