Naruto: Post Timeskip Disscussion (Warning Intense Spoilers!)

[Emperor Empoleon]

Orochimaru may very well be taken out by Sasuke

Again

[Kamex]

I agree that Orochimaru won't resume being a villain in the series, much less the final one. I think his part in the story is almost done. Pain was controlling Akatsuki and Obito was controlling Pain, but Madara was the mastermind pulling all the strings all this time (or at least, he set "Tobi" into motion). Madara is probably the ultimate villain, and I still don't think he's revealed all his secrets yet, even to Obito.

There sure was a lot of shipping this past chapter. I don't normally mind that, but it seems slightly out of place in the middle of a war. Also out of place in this war is the fact that everyone's jaw dropped to the ground after Neji died... I mean as much as I like him and want his death to be important, it's a little strange for ninja who should be used to fallen comrades being so taken aback like "What is this... how can this happen...?!"

Other than those two getting together, we might see some ship tease in an epilogue timeskip for other characters, I suppose

Hm. I read this as "strip tease" the first time through. Lol.

[Shadow Lucario]

First of all I said I could see Sasuke getting the Rinnegan AT SOME POINT. That doesn't mean the very next chapter he appears in, it means at some point in the series when Madara and Obito are long dead and Kishi wants to show off the Rinnegan again, kinda like how Sasuke took over the Mangekyou Sharingan role when Itachi died. Do I expect him have it right now? No. Do I want him to have it? No. I just said I can see him getting it if only to showcase it.

And we both agreed that we don't think he will get it at all. I explained why because Sasuke is proud of both his clan and his Sharingan so I doubt he'd want to be injected with Hashirama's cells. And even after Itachi died, Kakashi still had the Mangekyou Sharingan and we all knew that Tobi had it.

As far as Orochimaru goes, I didn't say he was weak, but compared to the big players of Naruto right now he's not as big of a deal as he was in part 1. We've had several villains just as powerful if not more powerful then Orochimaru since he "Died" Itachi, Pain, Tobi, Madara, even Kabutomaru can be argued to be a upgraded version of Orochimaru. It's been said numerous times that Orochimaru is not as strong as Itachi. Orochimaru himself said he's not as strong as Itachi. Madara clearly the strongest villain we have right now. Him, Obito, and Ten Tails trump every villain in the series so far, so forgive me if I don't think Orochimaru measures up to these guys. I'm not saying he's weak but he's not the strongest threat anymore. Even if the only reason Sasuke was able to beat Orochimaru was because he was sick (And it's true) I think current Sasuke could take down Orochimaru if he had to.

No said, or implied that you thought he was weak. I said that you claimed he wasn't threatening. Kakashi is one of the strongest ninja Konoha has and arguably the strongest Jonin. If he was frightened of Orochimaru then I think the threat is still there. That or he was scared for hit butthole.

[Platinum fan.]

And we both agreed that we don't think he will get it at all. I explained why because Sasuke is proud of both his clan and his Sharingan so I doubt he'd want to be injected with Hashirama's cells. And even after Itachi died, Kakashi still had the Mangekyou Sharingan and we all knew that Tobi had it.



No said, or implied that you thought he was weak. I said that you claimed he wasn't threatening. Kakashi is one of the strongest ninja Konoha has and arguably the strongest Jonin. If he was frightened of Orochimaru then I think the threat is still there. That or he was scared for hit butthole.

Sasuke's mood and character changes to fit his story. This is the same guy who betrays all the people who put their trust in him. Look at the chapters where he's starting to appreciate Jugo, Suigetsu and Karin and then shortly after leaves Jugo and Suigetsu to die and doesn't think twice about killing Karin in cold blood just to get at Danzo. And now he's second guessing his ultimate goal. As far as Kakashi and Tobi with the MS. Kakashi barely uses his, he's only spamming it now because of Obito and Obito hardly used his either. When Madara and Obito are dead and if Kishis wants to show the Rinnegan again Sasuke is the only one left. I'm not saying I want it only that I can see Kishi giving him Rinnegan if he wants to. Saskue's proud clan doesn't mean squat if Kishi wants to show the Rinnegan again.


As far as Orochimaru goes, how long ago was it that Kakashi was afraid of Orochimaru? Chunin Exams I believe. That was a very long time ago. I don't think Kakashi would have a problem fighting Orochimaru today, considering all the bigger name villains hes fought at this point. Could he win? I don't know. Probably not unless his MS is really good but Orochimaru is still strong to some characters. But right now I'd say Naruto, Sasuke, Killer Bee, Madara, and Obito could all beat Orochimaru. Nagato and Itachi were clearly stronger as well and Danzo is probably on equal footing with Orochimaru but they're all dead. Hence why I don't consider him in the same category as Madara. Madara beat all five Gokage and is a mega troll. He's done things Orochimaru can only dream of doing. Orochimaru is threatening to a certain point but not to a critcal one where the entire Shinobi world must unite to beat him unlike with Madara and Obito. Orochimaru does have the smarts for a great villain, I agree but strength wise he's been surpassed by too many new villains. That and Orochimaru just feels done to me. I thought that was the whole point of Kabutomaru. But whatever, at best I can see him stealing Madara's body. Now that would make him a global threat.

[-Raiga-]

Obviously Madara makes everyone look weak, but I think it's unfortunate how much its brought Obito down. I mean, taking off the mask and revealing himself is what initially made Tobi much weaker, but when he's literally standing next to this guy outclassing him and ordering him around every step of the way, it hurts him a lot.

I too think it will come down to Madara as the final "pre-sasuke" villain, which does suck.

And while I don't think orochimaru would be the final villain, it would actually be pretty cool if he did, in the sense that he's been the main villian for the majority of the series, so it would make the story flow quite a bit better in my opinion. I agree too that while the flow of the story makes it seem otherwise, an unsealed Orochimaru could potentially be as strong as Madara, minus the edo tensei of course. He's certainly stronger then the one trick pony Tobi at any rate.

[Kamex]

I think it's obvious that Zetsu is the final villain. White Zetsu will multiply into a new army and black Zetsu will transform into Neo Madara and then Zetsu will take over the world.

[Platinum fan.]

I actually forgot about Zetsu for the moment. I forgot he was still around XD I wonder what he will bring to the story now? Anyway, I still hope Sasuke finishes off Orochimaru for good once their little field trip is over and act like he never came back in the first place. I know that's not what is going to happen but Orochimaru's return feels so forced. Whatever.
I use to think Obito was going to be the final villain of the series. When he was calling himself "Madara" he had a aura of mystery and he was literally untouchable. Even when Pain was still around you knew once Naruto defeated him we still had Tobi lurking with Sasuke to be even bigger baddies. I thought it would have been cool to see Naruto and Sasuke team up to battle Tobi back when he was still a mystery and he'd unmask himself near the end of the fight but oh well. Actually if things were a little different it might have been cool to see Naruto and Sasuke team up to beat Madara and Obito.

[Ciccone]

Imo, Zetsu isn't a threat. I actually lost all interest in him the moment we discovered that he's just a clone of Hashirama with part of Madara's will attached. That just sealed his fate and I'm disappointed that he went from being one of the most interesting members of Akatsuki to just being used as war fodder by Obito.

[Crimsonlink]

One more year passes but will this year be the final year for Naruto? I think it would be nice if Kishi ends Naruto around October 2013 near Naruto's birthday assuming he wants to even end it.

He could probably squeeze out another arc purely on ending the series lol. Looking forward to how Juubi will be dealt with and the inevitable Naruto vs Sasuke. Maybe if we are lucky Sakura will run into both their attacks with no Kakashi to save her. :P

[Ciccone]

Every year I predict the end of the Naruto manga, and every year I'm wrong. I still like the manga, but I really think it should end soon. Once Madara is beaten and Obito becomes good (yeah, I can see it happening), the only threat left will be Sasuke who still needs to fight Naruto. Orochimaru will probably wander off on his own or something and never be heard from again. Kabuto's fate is in the air imo.

[pwnswitchclik]

Every year I predict the end of the Naruto manga, and every year I'm wrong. I still like the manga, but I really think it should end soon. Once Madara is beaten and Obito becomes good (yeah, I can see it happening), the only threat left will be Sasuke who still needs to fight Naruto. Orochimaru will probably wander off on his own or something and never be heard from again. Kabuto's fate is in the air imo.

According to Kishimoto, uuhhh, see for yourself http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...than-1.5-years

[pokemonsquared]

Every year I predict the end of the Naruto manga, and every year I'm wrong. I still like the manga, but I really think it should end soon. Once Madara is beaten and Obito becomes good (yeah, I can see it happening), the only threat left will be Sasuke who still needs to fight Naruto. Orochimaru will probably wander off on his own or something and never be heard from again. Kabuto's fate is in the air imo.

The Samurai decide to attack the Ninjas. 100 Chapters right there if he stretches it out.

[KantoLegends]

Is there a new chapter this week?

[Shneak]

According to Kishimoto, uuhhh, see for yourself http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...than-1.5-years

Not too unusual, if you think about it. It sounds long, but that would put it around ~75 more chapters.

Is there a new chapter this week?

No, we got the last chapter 'early'.

[pwnswitchclik]

Is there a new chapter this week?

We're only gonna get a new chapter on the third week of this month :'(

[LexSuicune]

I wonder if Neji could be brought back by Obito much like Kakashi was brought back by Nagato.

His death seemed pretty final though.

[Locormus]

We're only gonna get a new chapter on the third week of this month :'(

Wait a second, there's not going to be a release for an entire month? What the heck is that? Last chapter was out on the 28th.. That's a week ago. Now we have to wait three weeks again?

[pwnswitchclik]

Wait a second, there's not going to be a release for an entire month? What the heck is that? Last chapter was out on the 28th.. That's a week ago. Now we have to wait three weeks again?

That's what the guys at mangastream are saying, and I'm pretty sure others manga sites are saying it as well, I myself would like to know this "mechanism" of sorts, could be just holidays for Shonen Jump, or could be something more simple or not behind this wait, but look on the slightly bright side: You're going to wait just a little bit less than 2 weeks from now. But his bums me too, the fillers will keep going until the "canons" start to air, to which Kishi will have to start to come up with more fillers as he's been doing for quite awhile now.

[gliscor&yanmega]

Wait a second, there's not going to be a release for an entire month? What the heck is that? Last chapter was out on the 28th.. That's a week ago. Now we have to wait three weeks again?

That's what the guys at mangastream are saying, and I'm pretty sure others manga sites are saying it as well, I myself would like to know this "mechanism" of sorts, could be just holidays for Shonen Jump, or could be something more simple or not behind this wait, but look on the slightly bright side: You're going to wait just a little bit less than 2 weeks from now. But his bums me too, the fillers will keep going until the "canons" start to air, to which Kishi will have to start to come up with more fillers as he's been doing for quite awhile now.

Shonen Jump is on holidays, pretty sure this happens every year. The last chapter we got was actually suppose to be for this week I believe, we just got it early and as such have to wait for Shonen Jump to return.

This is more detailed explanation about the whole thing:

Originally Posted by Snow Miser
Since this will most likely come up over and over I'll get this out of the way...
We do not know exactly when the next chapter will be here.

Chapter 614 is on a double issue 4/5, so naturally you'd assume a week break.
But since it's over a holiday, the next issue, 6/7 will most likely ship early as it's slated for a Friday 1/4 shelf date.
So the next chapter could be as early as next week.
But keep in mind, the earlier the next chapter comes, the longer the break after issue 6/7 is. So getting 615 early is not necessary a good thing.

Chapter 615 (issue 6/7) could come anywhere between 12/25~1/2, my bet is probably around 12/27~29, a week before the shelf date.
Chapter 616 (issue 8 assuming there's no break announced in the previous issue) should be the normal time, 1/15-16)

What do you mean by Kishi coming up with fillers? If you mean the Anime then he has no part in that, canon is going to start in January for the Anime anyways, and I'm thinking it'll last for a while. If you mean the manga then I don't see what qualifies for "filler".

[pwnswitchclik]

Shonen Jump is on holidays, pretty sure this happens every year. The last chapter we got was actually suppose to be for this week I believe, we just got it early and as such have to wait for Shonen Jump to return.

This is more detailed explanation about the whole thing:


What do you mean by Kishi coming up with fillers? If you mean the Anime then he has no part in that, canon is going to start in January for the Anime anyways, and I'm thinking it'll last for a while. If you mean the manga then I don't see what qualifies for "filler".

Yes the anime, and second, I didn't know Kishi wasn't involved in anime fillers, I didn't, I mean it is his franchise, but I guess I could come to that conclusion based on Akira Toryama & DB GT, which is the quick and easiest case for me to think of Non-Involvement of the Frachise Creator On His Franchise (I wanna coin the term NIOFCOHF, but not gonna happen I suppose :P). The thing is, anime-wise, how long is this next canon going to last?