Naruto: Post Timeskip Disscussion (Warning Intense Spoilers!)

[ShadowDragon16]

I doubt Itachi would lie about something like that. Madara seems the one who would be lying. How else would he get Sasuke on his side? Also, Minato said, "The one with the mask." The only ones with a mask are Madara and Kakashi and I know Kakashi wouldn't do something like that. It all points to Madara being the one who attacked the village. He has a motive, the power, and two people say he did it.

However, Itachi wanted Sasuke not to believe anything Madara says. Since Itachi was playing the part of the "Bad" guy, and started to say he wanted the eternal mangekuyo sharingan saying that he wanted to supoass Madara. That was all a lie, why believe that Madara attacked Konoha if everything else Itachi said was a lie.

In a way I believe Danzo played apart in that, Danzo always said he wanted to become the hokage. Since Minato lost his life to stop the fox, that would be one person down. Plus, I remember in a previous chapter about raikage talking about when the sand village had a pact with orochimaru to invade konoha, it was apparently part of a plan formulated by Danzo.

In Manga 458 pages 9 and 10, Raikage figured out Danzo had a plot and it might have been to kill the 3rd hokage. In a way Danzo wanted power, I can see why Danzo would be the one to use the fox.

[daveshan]

However, Itachi wanted Sasuke not to believe anything Madara says. Since Itachi was playing the part of the "Bad" guy, and started to say he wanted the eternal mangekuyo sharingan saying that he wanted to supoass Madara. That was all a lie, why believe that Madara attacked Konoha if everything else Itachi said was a lie.

In a way I believe Danzo played apart in that, Danzo always said he wanted to become the hokage. Since Minato lost his life to stop the fox, that would be one person down. Plus, I remember in a previous chapter about raikage talking about when the sand village had a pact with orochimaru to invade konoha, it was apparently part of a plan formulated by Danzo.

In Manga 458 pages 9 and 10, Raikage figured out Danzo had a plot and it might have been to kill the 3rd hokage. In a way Danzo wanted power, I can see why Danzo would be the one to use the fox.

Valid points, but I'm wondering if the person claiming to be Madara is who he says he is. There seems to be too much mystery surrounding him and the fact that they never reveal his face shows there's more going on.

Still, I'm wagering that no one controlled Ninetales, but was able to put the effects into motion that would bring it to the Leaf Village. But that person wasn't Danzo. He may be a power hungry *******, but he would never put the entire village in harm's way to get it. Doesn't fit his character.

'Madara' (as we'll call him for now) doesn't fit the bill either. He seems more cunning and subtle then to just throw Ninetales at the Hidden Leaf without doing something under the cover that the chaos wrought.

The Uchiha clan has the same defense as Madara. Why not take power as the beast is being fought?

Orrochimaru might have. It seems his style to use Ninetales just to test how strong the village's defenses are. Personally, I hope he's still alive somewhere, because both deaths were wayyyyyyyy too anti-climactic for him.

*Sigh* For now, we really have to wait for more evidence to surface. Heck, maybe the Third wanted his job back.

[ShadowDragon16]

Valid points, but I'm wondering if the person claiming to be Madara is who he says he is. There seems to be too much mystery surrounding him and the fact that they never reveal his face shows there's more going on.

Still, I'm wagering that no one controlled Ninetales, but was able to put the effects into motion that would bring it to the Leaf Village. But that person wasn't Danzo. He may be a power hungry *******, but he would never put the entire village in harm's way to get it. Doesn't fit his character.

'Madara' (as we'll call him for now) doesn't fit the bill either. He seems more cunning and subtle then to just throw Ninetales at the Hidden Leaf without doing something under the cover that the chaos wrought.

The Uchiha clan has the same defense as Madara. Why not take power as the beast is being fought?

Orrochimaru might have. It seems his style to use Ninetales just to test how strong the village's defenses are. Personally, I hope he's still alive somewhere, because both deaths were wayyyyyyyy too anti-climactic for him.

*Sigh* For now, we really have to wait for more evidence to surface. Heck, maybe the Third wanted his job back.

Well, if Danzo's plot was to have orochimaru and Suna attack konoha, I would see that as evidence that Danzo would put the village into harms way.
As for Madara, Madara seems to think ahead, he predicted and formulated an alternate plan if Nagato betrayed him (which he did). Agreed, Madara seems to smart to just send a beast to attack konoha without having an alternate plan if the kyuubi was beaten.

There is a mystery behind Danzo, plus Orochimaru did do ALOT of experiments on Danzo (10 uchiha sharingan, and the first hokage cells). It wouldnt suprise me in the least if it was Danzo who used the Kyuubi.

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yep I think danzo has something to do whit it.
but perhaps we are gonna find out the next few chapters I hope so because I'm really curious :P

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I really want this fight to wrap up and I want to see this Izanagi technique in action.

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Blaze release, Amaterasu armor, imperfect Susano'o, hawk summoning contract, perfect Susano'o.

There's probably more.

Since Sasuke seems to be full of rage and vengeance his next technique could be this or maybe this .

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There is a mystery behind Danzo, plus Orochimaru did do ALOT of experiments on Danzo (10 uchiha sharingan, and the first hokage cells). It wouldnt suprise me in the least if it was Danzo who used the Kyuubi.

Too bad Minato confirmed it was Madara and not Danzo. Although, maybe Madara claimed to be behind it when fighting Minato and it was Danzo. Idk too many holes in either theory.

When was it confirmed that Oro implanted those Sharingan into Shisui's (now Danzo's) arm?

[Shadow Lucario]

When was it confirmed that Oro implanted those Sharingan into Shisui's (now Danzo's) arm?

Madara said Orochimaru did a lot f experiments on Danzo when he saw that he had Shodai Hokage's genes, but I don't think he said that he put the Sharingan in his arm.

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Madara said Orochimaru did a lot f experiments on Danzo when he saw that he had Shodai Hokage's genes, but I don't think he said that he put the Sharingan in his arm.

Yeah I didn't see that either. I mean, he could've meant the eyes too but he wasn't specific.

[Shadow Lucario]

Yeah I didn't see that either. I mean, he could've meant the eyes too but he wasn't specific.

He probably did, but like you said he wasn't specific enough. I wonder if that is why Danzo was for the slaughter of the Uchiha Clan.

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He probably did, but like you said he wasn't specific enough. I wonder if that is why Danzo was for the slaughter of the Uchiha Clan.

If that's why he wanted the clan to die, then he deserves to die by Sasuke's hands. It's probably the best revenge he can get at this point since Konoha is destroyed.

[daveshan]

Well, if Danzo's plot was to have orochimaru and Suna attack konoha, I would see that as evidence that Danzo would put the village into harms way.
As for Madara, Madara seems to think ahead, he predicted and formulated an alternate plan if Nagato betrayed him (which he did). Agreed, Madara seems to smart to just send a beast to attack konoha without having an alternate plan if the kyuubi was beaten.

There is a mystery behind Danzo, plus Orochimaru did do ALOT of experiments on Danzo (10 uchiha sharingan, and the first hokage cells). It wouldnt suprise me in the least if it was Danzo who used the Kyuubi.

Ugh, I hate it when people use the phonetical adaptation. This is English. Unless you're going to translate the rest of your sentence into how it would sound if it were translated into Japanese, it's 'Sand Village,' 'Leaf Village,' 'Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (or words to that affect),' etc. That's the number one reason I prefer the subs on Hulu and even the American dubs over the Manga and the fan subs. I don't have to go Googling every time a new proper noun is introduced.

Back on topic: I still say Danzo is innocent when it comes to Ninetales. Everything he's done, as shrewd, twisted, underhanded, and vile as it's all been, it's all been for the sake of the Leaf Village. Maybe his head was in the wrong place, but his heart certainly wasn't. If there was a person who directed it, it wasn't him.

Back to Madara: I'd like to see him turn out to be Obito, Kakashi's former team mate from his rookie days. I know he was supposed to be killed in the Third Great Ninja War, but since when has death stopped anything in an anime? Plus, it fits with the fact that we only see 'Madara' 's right sharingan and Obito gave Kakashi his left one.

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Ugh, I hate it when people use the phonetical adaptation. This is English. Unless you're going to translate the rest of your sentence into how it would sound if it were translated into Japanese, it's 'Sand Village,' 'Leaf Village,' 'Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (or words to that affect),' etc. That's the number one reason I prefer the subs on Hulu and even the American dubs over the Manga and the fan subs. I don't have to go Googling every time a new proper noun is introduced.

Back on topic: I still say Danzo is innocent when it comes to Ninetales. Everything he's done, as shrewd, twisted, underhanded, and vile as it's all been, it's all been for the sake of the Leaf Village. Maybe his head was in the wrong place, but his heart certainly wasn't. If there was a person who directed it, it wasn't him.

Not to be rude, but almost everyone who posts here uses the Japanese names for characters, places, techniques, etc. There's no rule against it.

I don't mind placing the English translation in parentheses though. However, you should note that you yourself just used the wrong name for the "Nine Tailed Fox Demon". It's Nine-tails, not Ninetales. Ninetales is a Pokemon

About Danzo though, I won't comment too heavily on him until the next chapter, but I think he's more guilty than he leads on.

About Madara being Obito. Since it's basically been confirmed that he's Madara, it's not very likely that it'll turn out to be Obito or anyone else

[Shadow Lucario]

On the topic of Madara being Obito: Most people have discounted that theory because his right eye was CRUSHED by a boulder. You can see the blood starting to seep out when he is crushed. Then after Kakashi and Rin left more boulders fell on him crushing the rest of his body.

Many people say that he died there and is still there. I on the other hand would also like to see Madara turn out to be Obito, but there is more evidence supporting he is Madara than Obito. How else would he know all about Konoha's history and about Madara's life along with Itachi's? I think Madara is using Obito's body somehow. Maybe he did some Jutsu similar to the Yamanaka Clan's Shintenshin no Jutsu (Mind Body Switch technique). I mean if he is Madara then why haven't we seen his face yet?

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I mean if he is Madara then why haven't we seen his face yet?

Suspense?

I don't think that him getting crushed would void this theory. We've seen techniques that can revive a dead body into a perfect human being again in the past.

[daveshan]

I don't mind placing the English translation in parentheses though. However, you should note that you yourself just used the wrong name for the "Nine Tailed Fox Demon". It's Nine-tails, not Ninetales. Ninetales is a Pokemon

True. But it's a joke.

On the topic of Madara being Obito: Most people have discounted that theory because his right eye was CRUSHED by a boulder. You can see the blood starting to seep out when he is crushed. Then after Kakashi and Rin left more boulders fell on him crushing the rest of his body.

You speak of logic as if it applies to this story.

Many people say that he died there and is still there. I on the other hand would also like to see Madara turn out to be Obito, but there is more evidence supporting he is Madara than Obito. How else would he know all about Konoha's history and about Madara's life along with Itachi's? I think Madara is using Obito's body somehow. Maybe he did some Jutsu similar to the Yamanaka Clan's Shintenshin no Jutsu (Mind Body Switch technique). I mean if he is Madara then why haven't we seen his face yet?

First off, THANK YOU for using the English, even it was just in parentheses. I would never have remembered that if you hadn't.

Second, given that the Naruto-verse always has one way or another to overcome death, it's gotta be possible that Obito could do something to get out and hide among the Leaf Village to learn its history.

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EDIT - for some reason I thought I was in the "What manga are you currently reading" thread, if any of you saw that other post. I'm still reading Naruto, but the Sasuke vs. Danzo fight doesn't really interest me right now. I hope it'll be over quick and the plot can continue to move on.

Well this is an important battle eitherway. I mean, it might decide what course of action Sasuke will take after this. He might still want to kill key people in Konoha.

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Should I think it's weird that I kinda want Sasuke to go all Ghost Rider up Danzo's ***? I just really want to see him beat that guy.

[7 tyranitars]

yep let's hope danzo dies, which is almost certain as sasuke is one of the main characters :P but even I don't know what idea's are for the futere :P

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yep let's hope danzo dies, which is almost certain as sasuke is one of the main characters :P but even I don't know what idea's are for the futere :P

I'm thinking more that Sasuke will amputate that Sharinga arm, somehow make it his arm, and then stick Danzo into some eternal Tsukoyomi. I could really see him do that.