Naruto: Post Timeskip Disscussion (Warning Intense Spoilers!)

[peacemaker987]

Doesn't it sound just like Kishi fto make Shisui to fake his own death and come back disguised as "Madara" to help Itachi murder the Uchiha? I'm still convinced that faking being drowned is fairly easy for him.

[Ciccone]

Doesn't it sound just like Kishi fto make Shisui to fake his own death and come back disguised as "Madara" to help Itachi murder the Uchiha? I'm still convinced that faking being drowned is fairly easy for him.

I don't think that Shisui is Tobi. I thought he might be a long time ago, but I gave up on that theory when we actually saw what Shisui looked like. Itachi also revealed some of Shisui's ideals, and he really didn't seem to be a bad person. The only way that this would make sense is if Shisui was tricking Itachi with genjutsu, but then that would seem too similar to what Sosuke Aizen did in Bleach. :x

[Shneak]

Is there a specific, known reason why Edo-Madara has those lines across his face? I don't remember the other resurrected shinobi (nor the original Madara) having that feature. That also brings to mind the bags or wrinkles or whatever under Tobi's eyes (not that the two are related).

I think it's a side-effect of the Edo Tensei. It's the skin peeling off. Here's an example:

[TsukiMirage]

If Zetsu is really involved in this, then I wouldn't be surprised if he created a new body for Obito. After all, Obito "died" in the Land of Grass, and Zetsu could be from the Hidden Grass village (that last part is just speculation, but he does seem like he could be a Kusagakure ninja since he specializes in plant-like techniques, plus he has a plant around his head). This Obito and Zetsu theory would also fit with what Zetsu said about Tobi "being a good boy".

As for the issue with Obito's inexperience: Several characters have been able to gain incredible powers within relatively short periods of time. So I wouldn't be surprised if the same happened with Obito if he's really Tobi.

Yeah, but there would still be an issue with the amount of knowledge that masked Madara possesses.There's no way Obito could have known all of that. In addition, there's the people that masked Madara have dealt with. Itachi surely would have recognized someone familiar like Obito and Kisame would have met and began working for him long before Obito's death happen. Plus the whole thing about giving Nagato the Rinnegan.

Gaining control of power they already had is much different then suddenly gaining new powers and mastering them within a short time frame.

[HoennMaster]

Aww this is just starting to get confusing. So would this mean that Madara was the body shown in the hidden coffin before the war started?

[Durian Seed]

I'm hoping Tobi is revealed to be a usurper posing as the real Madara.

That would make his character interesting again.

[3lmi]

I'm starting to think it might be Izuna, Madara's brother.

Also the Obito theory is also interesting.

[Ciccone]

It's odd because I've read tons of Obito theories, but only a few Izuna theories. It seems like the majority of people who believe that Izuna is Tobi aren't exactly sure how it would fit together, but I think there's a good chance that Izuna is behind the mask. I'm just curious as to how Nagato fits into all this; Madara made it sound as if they had met before, and as if Nagato had planned on reviving him at one point with the Rinne Tensei technique.

[3lmi]

It's odd because I've read tons of Obito theories, but only a few Izuna theories. It seems like the majority of people who believe that Izuna is Tobi aren't exactly sure how it would fit together, but I think there's a good chance that Izuna is behind the mask. I'm just curious as to how Nagato fits into all this; Madara made it sound as if they had met before, and as if Nagato had planned on reviving him at one point with the Rinne Tensei technique.

I think that "Tobi" said that he had 'given' the Rinnegan to him.

Also even those this was a sloppy theory (and I mean extremely sloppy and half-assed), doesn't Madara look like Nagato dad?

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[Shadow Lucario]

Izuna was shown to have died. It can't be him. Izuna also didn't have any eyes so good luck killing Uchiha without eyes.

[LexSuicune]

I miss Funny Tobi.

I hope he comes back lol.

[Ciccone]

I think that "Tobi" said that he had 'given' the Rinnegan to him.

Also even those this was a sloppy theory (and I mean extremely sloppy and half-assed), doesn't Madara look like Nagato dad?

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Tobi's comment makes things even more confusing. Because even if we're to assume that Tobi is another Madara, where did he get the Rinnegan to begin with?

And no, I don't think that Madara looks like Nagato's dad.

Izuna was shown to have died.

The same can be said about most of the characters in this arc, yet here we are.

[TsukiMirage]

There's another theory going around that masked Madara could possibly be Kagami, the Uchiha who was on Danzo's team.

[multi-scale]

Izuna was shown to have died. It can't be him. Izuna also didn't have any eyes so good luck killing Uchiha without eyes.

Giant eye storage says what.
My problem with the Obito thing is first of all he got smashed. That can be fixed with Zetsu parts and Hashirama's cells. his sharingan gets smashed. Eye storage. Then a year later he fights Minato. I'm more concerned with the fact that Masked Man looks like an adult, whereas Kakashi at the time did not look that big. He would have to undergo some major aging. Then when Kisame began working for Masked Man, he was still shown to be older, which meant (if it occurred after the attack on Konoha) he would have to age or (if it occured before) it wouldn't even be possible. Finally, and the most important point I believe, is Obito would need the Mangekyou sharingan. While it is likely that Obito would have other friends, at the time of Obiot's death it was kind of implied that Kakashi was his best friend. Which means Madara would have had to remove his own Mangekyou sharingan and reimplant them, which seems like a lot of work to take control of a fairly weak 12-13 year old boy.
It would make more sense to have him possess an older body (if possession is involved at all). The Nagato's father theory has a credible point; it would explain how Nagato got the Rinnegan as a child. Still, it's too unlikely. I could understand Izuna faking his death and swapping eyes with his brother so they could both have eternal Mangekyou. It would also make sense due to the fact that they actually cared for each other which would explain why the Masked Man was so upset/angry when he saw Madara's body. Still, Izuna is most likely permanently dead. It showed his blind and being laid in a coffin (though he could ahve pulled a Kabuto and pretended to be dead, or cast an illusion on his brother to avoid death). Can't wait till Wednsday.

And when are we going to see the Gama family?

[Shadow Lucario]

The same can be said about most of the characters in this arc, yet here we are.

Those characters were brought back with Edo Tensei. We know that the masked Madara is alive. How can it be Izuna? Answer me that.

Giant eye storage says what.

And where did he get those eyes? From the Uchiha that Itachi and the masked Madara killed. How is he going to kill without eyes? Izuna died in battle after his eyes were taken. You too, tell me how it can be Izuna.

EDIT: Genjutsu is highly unlikely. Madara is a master of the Sharingan and it allows them to see through Genjutsu. Remember Itachi and Sasuke's fight? The first quarter of it was Genjutsu and they both saw through all of it.

[Ciccone]

Those characters were brought back with Edo Tensei. We know that the masked Madara is alive. How can it be Izuna? Answer me that.

We don't know that he's Madara, though. We're trying to determine who Tobi really is, and right now, it doesn't seem like he's really Madara since there are too many inconsistencies. The only thing that Tobi has going in his favor is the fact that he knows a lot about Madara's past, but since he's most likely a member of the Uchiha clan, it isn't all-that surprising that he'd know stuff about Madara. And if Tobi is Izuna, then it would make even more sense for him to know stuff about Madara since Madara was his brother.

[Shneak]

There's another theory going around that masked Madara could possibly be Kagami, the Uchiha who was on Danzo's team.

Nah, I don't think so. He doesn't seem that important, and I don't see why he would want Danzo dead.

[peacemaker987]

I like the Izuna theory, even though all of the possibilities involve kind-hearted Uchiha. This could be a repeat of Sasuke/Itachi (is that even the right word...) where the younger brother set out on a path of twisted revenge. I guess Izuna does have the most proof.

[Kamex]

I think it's a side-effect of the Edo Tensei.

Hm... I suppose so. Seemed kind of more evident on Madara, but it could just be me.

Also even those this was a sloppy theory (and I mean extremely sloppy and half-assed), doesn't Madara look like Nagato dad?

A little bit, but he looked very much like a throw-away character whose only purpose was to build Nagato's back story, so him being Tobi would be an anti-climactic revelation in my opinion.

Those characters were brought back with Edo Tensei. We know that the masked Madara is alive. How can it be Izuna? Answer me that.

Izuna could have actually lived. Or maybe Tobi is undead. Even if there's no current explanation for it, Kishi could always come up with some random plot device to make it happen.

And if Tobi is Izuna, then it would make even more sense for him to know stuff about Madara since Madara was his brother.

True, I thought about that.

I like the Izuna theory, even though all of the possibilities involve kind-hearted Uchiha. This could be a repeat of Sasuke/Itachi (is that even the right word...) where the younger brother set out on a path of twisted revenge. I guess Izuna does have the most proof.

Yeah, I was thinking it would make sense for Tobi to have the strong interest in Sasuke that he has if his true identity was Izuna, because then he could somehow relate to him. Not to mention I thought it was somewhat strange that when Tobi told Sasuke about Madara after claiming that identity, he made himself out to be a cruel thief to his brother.

I'm kind of leaning towards the Tobi being some sort of otherworldly form of Madara theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be Izuna either.

[LexSuicune]

Masked Madara has to be Madara or Obito.

I won't accept some random *** ninja that has been mentioned once 348 chapters ago and never appeared before to be the main antagonist in the show and strongest shinobi in the world.

Just no.