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    Spamming is the exact right word to describe how the Sharingan is used nowadays. I'm not talking about everyone else's spamming I'm talking solely about the MS spamming and in fact Sharingan spamming in general. Back then there were limitations to their Sharingans that opened up the variety to fight with their other techniques but nowadays the Sharingan is a stale overexposed overused ability that's limits have seized to exist.

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    In shonen upgrades are supposed to be expected, regardless how overpowered they may be. Naruto's FRS went from nearly shattering his entire arm from being able to launch it and cause utter destruction. Against Nagato/Pain he had limitations still, but with his new found powers, we don't know what those limits are if any. That being said, I don't think he needs it now that he can "spam" kyuubi chakra mode. Yes with the introduction of the EMS there are no limitations really, your "light" is never lost and it's up to you to refine said EMS at that point. I agree to a certain extent there should be a weakness, however we still aren't sure completely if there isn't one, although at this point there likely won't be one revealed unless Madara has some sort of revelation if he fights Sasuke/Naruto and exposes Sasuke. Anyway, the rate of how they use it is really not a big concern, or shouldn't be at the forefront of your thoughts. Sasuke isn't unbeatable with his EMS, and the only Uchiha that is seemingly unbeatable right now is Madara for obvious known reasons. The top tier Shinobi all have an overpowered jutsu or power to a certain extent, and as I said before in my previous post, Nagato/Pain spammed his Rinnegan and shinra tensei to no end. So what is the difference between having a handful of techniques used over and over with a Rinnegan, and then spamming a sharingan? Yes Susano'o, Amaterasu, and Tsukyomi are essentially the big three however, whether it is deemed as a weakness or flaw or not, fatigue still plays a factor and how large one's chakra reserves are to handle these powers. Madara simply has no fatigue due to the edo tensei's benefits. When you speak of "back then" it really means before they have progressed to this state and thus renders your point moot due to them already having progressed to said state and level. Anyway, I understand this will go on, however, that's my say on the matter. Arguing if a jutsu is being "spammed" makes little to no sense as everyone technically does it, and to narrow it down to one or two characters or techniques borders on the edge of biased dislike toward a certain cannonical aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fuji View Post
    or Nagato using shinra tensei.
    Nagato didn't spam that move. If anything it was the Summoning that was spammed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jb View Post
    Nagato didn't spam that move. If anything it was the Summoning that was spammed.
    To be fair, the Pains could only use one type of jutsu each so the Summoning spamming that Animal Path Pain did was at least justified.

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    I'm not saying anything about upgrades because honestly I don't care about upgrades. The Sharingan's upgrades were to be expected with the Rinnegan being the only real overkill considering all the abilities that the regular and Mangekyo Sharingans had. I'm not being biased or anything I'm just talking about the Sharingan specifically because that is what I chose to discuss. I have a logical point with "back then" because in the early parts of the series people bothered to fight without relying too much on their one specific abilities. There was more to fights then just use your best move repeatedly till you finally connect with it. I'm not arguing anything I'm expressing my view on an aspect of the story as a stand alone thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed View Post
    To be fair, the Pains could only use one type of jutsu each so the Summoning spamming that Animal Path Pain did was at least justified.
    I agree. Tbh spamming is only ever a problem when the person who is spamming has a varied range of diverse jutsu to choose from and only relies on 1-3 jutsus despite their options.
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    i know that using izanagi/izanami makes the user lose his eyesight if he has the sharingan/ms but wat about someone with ems will they go blind?
    because it would suck if sasuke will be able to spam this along with amateratsu and susanno

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fuji View Post
    @Tak310 I agree with you, exactly well put. It's as simple as that, the shinobi brought back will probably only be surpassed by the future Kage such as Naruto and whoever else, Gaara is also shown to have surpassed his father and show great skill against the former Mizukage. I mean sure, Kiba, Shikamaru, and all those shinobi (I'm not listing them all but they all reside in the same relative class) will surpass their parents, who are the last generation's jounin, and the konoha 11 will become just that, this current generation's crop of jounin. It's not a knock on them by any means, but to expect anything more is overzealous, they already showed their moments early in the war anyway, and even right now by helping Naruto. It just isn't worth arguing.

    Also @J Ken, the proclaimed "spamming" of the ms is the same as Naruto "spamming" rasengan, or kyuubi chakra mode, or Nagato using shinra tensei. Everyone technically spams their techniques, not everyone is Hiruzen, and Orochimaru in terms of amount of jutsu they know. Furthermore, Orochimaru also stated Sasuke will probably get to Madara's level one day, thus changing and expanding on his current techniques, whether we see this is up to Kishimoto, perhaps in a final showdown with Naruto in the future. Regardless, Madara using his ms techniques so often and with such ease should be looked at as just how skilled he really is, and truly can't be matched by anyone other than Hashirama. What's the point in having such visual prowess and not using it as often as one can. I doubt Hashirama will stop "spamming" his moukuton either.
    How funny, I was about to address what you said to me in that long text about who the old guard was, and you already answered it here. The "old guard" as I call it was never those Dead Hokages, it was the current Jonin of the village. Of course nobody is going to top the godly Hokages. I was saying this war would have been a great place for the Konoha 11 to take charge and become elites like Kakashi and Guy. Jonin who are respected enough to lead large squads and even get a vote in the next Hokage, because right now they still aren't at that point. Even Shikamaru was basically his fathers right hand. There's nothing wrong with that, I was just saying this war could have elevated them. Some of them did get a good showing in the war, others are still ignored and I would have enjoyed seeing them help Naruto and Sasuke more in the battle with the Juubi and Obito, with their own set of skills rather then Naruto Kyuubi cloaking them. But it's pointless saying this now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tak310 View Post
    i know that using izanagi/izanami makes the user lose his eyesight if he has the sharingan/ms but wat about someone with ems will they go blind?
    because it would suck if sasuke will be able to spam this along with amateratsu and susanno
    I'm not sure on that. Though Itachi lost his sight despite technically having immortal eyes in the Reanimation but I'm not sure if that would be the case with the EMS itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tak310 View Post
    i know that using izanagi/izanami makes the user lose his eyesight if he has the sharingan/ms but wat about someone with ems will they go blind?
    because it would suck if sasuke will be able to spam this along with amateratsu and susanno
    The EMS allows the user to use all the Mangekyo Sharingan techniques without going blind, but Izanagi/Izanami are regular Sharingan techniques so I think the user would still go blind despite having the EMS. That's just my theory and it sort of makes sense imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tak310 View Post
    http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/577/14 didnt want sasuke to go with him and wanted to do it by himself

    itachi saving sasuke
    http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/580/6
    http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/582/3
    please tell when sasuke saved itachi more times
    As mentioned, Itachi didn't want to reveal the truth to Sasuke.

    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/576/6
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/576/12
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/576/13

    It had nothing to do with not wanting to fight with him, since as mentioned, it was Itachi who said they should fight together, in exchange for Itachi actually answering Sasuke's questions.

    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/578/13

    As for saving:
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/582/4
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/586/2
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/586/10

    There were also the times they helped each other save themselves, like when caught in the Sound Genjutsu. Point is, that Sasuke was hardly some sort of "burden" on Itachi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    Naruto had to defeat the Pain Paths because they were attacking the village, killing the villagers while looking for him. As a soldier of Konoha it was his job to stop them. It was also already know by the higher ups by that time that the Pains were all puppets thanks to Jiraiya's code. Choji's dad even spoke of one as if it were a machine when he, Choji, and Kakashi were fighting them. Naruto had to stop them or his village would die, and it did get blown up and people did die. Nagato cheapened it by bringing them all back, but Naruto didn't know that was going to happen when he spared Nagato not giving into his urge to kill him out of revenge.
    The point isn't whether naruto had to do it or not, the point is that Naruto got the opportunity to get everything out of his system by taking out the Paths beforehand. He didn't have to wait years for his chance at it. And Konoha didn't learn that the Paths were such til during the actual invasion, figuring it out right before Shizune got killed. Chouza refer to Asura Path as robotic I believe, due to it's appearance. Anyway, Naruto didn't learn that the Paths were just puppets til after he had turnt Hungry Path into a toad. So he took out five of the Paths without knowing that they weren't living people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    Sasuke's vengeance on Danzo was different then the Hyuuga affair however. True a sacrifice was needed to avert war with Raikage's nation, but Neji's father volunteered to be that sacrifice for his family. Karin did not agree to be a sacrifice, she was crying for Sasuke to help her. Sasuke didn't care and struck her down with Danzo. If Karin agreed to sacrifice herself or when she got caught told Sasuke to forget about her and take the shot, that would be different. Sasuke even berates Karin for being caught after striking her and the best part about it was after Danzo had died, Obito persuades Sasuke into finishing off Karin, even though she was still barely alive and could have been saved, Sasuke without a second thought moves in to kill her. Sasuke killing Danzo did not benefit anyone long term but Sasuke himself. Kiba was right when he told Sasuke he doesn't even know what being Hokage means. Sasuke has never truly cared for anyone outside his clan. He use to care about Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi, but look how he turned his back on them and tried to kill all three of them, and they had nothing to do with the Uchiha killings at all.
    You think that Konoha wouldn't have sacrificed Hizashi regardless of his opinion? There is no way they would have risked war for a single person. Not that it changes anything, but not sure how Sasuke could have saved Karin after piercing her. He was neither a medicnin or in any position to take her to one.

    And Kiba was wrong. Sasuke does know what being Hokage meant because he was pretty much told just that by Hashirama hours/some moments before. Being Hokage doesn;t require one to care about the villagers beforehand, shown by Hahsirama's attempt to make Madara one and Tsunade's appointment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TsukiMirage View Post
    As mentioned, Itachi didn't want to reveal the truth to Sasuke.

    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/576/6
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/576/12
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/576/13

    It had nothing to do with not wanting to fight with him, since as mentioned, it was Itachi who said they should fight together, in exchange for Itachi actually answering Sasuke's questions.

    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/578/13

    As for saving:
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/582/4
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/586/2
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/586/10

    There were also the times they helped each other save themselves, like when caught in the Sound Genjutsu. Point is, that Sasuke was hardly some sort of "burden" on Itachi.

    The point isn't whether naruto had to do it or not, the point is that Naruto got the opportunity to get everything out of his system by taking out the Paths beforehand. He didn't have to wait years for his chance at it. And Konoha didn't learn that the Paths were such til during the actual invasion, figuring it out right before Shizune got killed. Chouza refer to Asura Path as robotic I believe, due to it's appearance. Anyway, Naruto didn't learn that the Paths were just puppets til after he had turnt Hungry Path into a toad. So he took out five of the Paths without knowing that they weren't living people.

    You think that Konoha wouldn't have sacrificed Hizashi regardless of his opinion? There is no way they would have risked war for a single person. Not that it changes anything, but not sure how Sasuke could have saved Karin after piercing her. He was neither a medicnin or in any position to take her to one.

    And Kiba was wrong. Sasuke does know what being Hokage meant because he was pretty much told just that by Hashirama hours/some moments before. Being Hokage doesn;t require one to care about the villagers beforehand, shown by Hahsirama's attempt to make Madara one and Tsunade's appointment.
    Get it out of his system, what? The Pains were soulless dolls killing the citizens of Konoha, Naruto had to defeat them or they would keep sucking out souls and killing anyone who didn't comply to them. This is not the same as Sasuke's personal vendetta against Danzo. Naruto didn't go looking for these things, they came to his village and started blowing stuff up and taking lives. Sasuke went looking for a fight to kill for his own personal reasons. And even if the Pains were real live people they would be considered Terrorist that need to be taken out for the good of the village because if not everyone in the village would have died. I really don't think Naruto took pleasure in killing these things like Sasuke did with Danzo. Naruto even has a frown on his face after beating the Yahiko Pain, compare that to Sasuke's murderous smirk after piercing Karin and Danzo.

    As for Hizashi, yes he would have bee sacrificed either way, but you still can't compare that to Sasuke betraying Karin the way he did. And do you mean to tell me that a mastermind like Obito does not know how to heal someone? The Akatsuki must have had some kind of healing method for themselves. Sasuke could have just used amaterasu or Genjutsu on Danzo when he took Karin. Danzo had nothing left at that point, and since Sasuke can control who amaterasu burns, he could have saved Karin. He deemed her useless and went to kill them both.
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    Does anyone else find it annoying how the Shinobi alliance can only do anything with Kurama's chakra? I understand that most of them are weak without it but it's cringe worthy to see that they can only do anything by relying on Naruto. In the end it won't even really be everyone's win considering that 99% of the alliance just latched on to Naruto and Kurama's chakra to even be any kind of help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TsukiMirage View Post
    As mentioned, Itachi didn't want to reveal the truth to Sasuke.

    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/576/6
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/576/12
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/576/13

    It had nothing to do with not wanting to fight with him, since as mentioned, it was Itachi who said they should fight together, in exchange for Itachi actually answering Sasuke's questions.

    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/578/13

    As for saving:
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/582/4
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/586/2
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/586/10

    There were also the times they helped each other save themselves, like when caught in the Sound Genjutsu. Point is, that Sasuke was hardly some sort of "burden" on Itachi.
    itachi knows sasuke he knew sasuke wasnt going to leave so of course they wouldve joined together

    1. itachi wouldnt have needed saving if it wasnt for sasuke
    2. ok thats one time he saved him
    3. its not saving if he got his arm ripped off
    and i never said sasuke was a burden itachi just wanted to end by himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Ken View Post
    Does anyone else find it annoying how the Shinobi alliance can only do anything with Kurama's chakra? I understand that most of them are weak without it but it's cringe worthy to see that they can only do anything by relying on Naruto. In the end it won't even really be everyone's win considering that 99% of the alliance just latched on to Naruto and Kurama's chakra to even be any kind of help.
    Naruto is the true victor of the war already imo. He's done tons of stuff to help everyone out and he'll probably manage to convert Obito into a good guy in the next chapter. He's definitely the most important fighter in the war, which is sort of iconic given that the Gokage wanted to exclude him from the war by keeping him on Kumogakure's turtle. Had he not escaped, the Alliance would've lost a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed View Post
    Naruto is the true victor of the war already imo. He's done tons of stuff to help everyone out and he'll probably manage to convert Obito into a good guy in the next chapter. He's definitely the most important fighter in the war, which is sort of iconic given that the Gokage wanted to exclude him from the war by keeping him on Kumogakure's turtle. Had he not escaped, the Alliance would've lost a long time ago.
    Imo the Alliance lost the war as soon as they started to over rely on the past Kages and Naruto. I mean at this point the alliance are just a bunch of puppets being powered by Kurama's chakra as much as it pains me to say this considering some of those alliance shinobi are favorites of mine. Some of them are showing their worth outside of Kurama's chakra but it's still sad to see how utterly useless they are at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Ken View Post
    Imo the Alliance lost the war as soon as they started to over rely on the past Kages and Naruto. I mean at this point the alliance are just a bunch of puppets being powered by Kurama's chakra as much as it pains me to say this considering some of those alliance shinobi are favorites of mine. Some of them are showing their worth outside of Kurama's chakra but it's still sad to see how utterly useless they are at this point.
    the alliance lost the war when madara was revived no one could beat edo madara (imo hashirama cant beat him)
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    The new chapter is out and it was the easiest one to read in a long time; no complicated panel placements or too much dialogue to follow. I liked that Obito at least attempted to attack Naruto at first rather than submit to the talk no jutsu. However those visions that he saw and the fact that he seemed to regret everything convince me that he's a good guy now, or at least neutral now that he's been beaten. Time for Madara to show up and become the final villain. Sigh...

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    Finally....almost done. Just have to finish off Madara and we are good.
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    two things about this chapter
    it was going in the right direction but went downhill after the 3rd page
    rin's face on page 9 was creepier than madara's face when he sensed hashirama, 1st it was i am watching you and now her face, she looked like a crazy stalker

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    Naruto now has the ability to punch people into flashbacks, cool.

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    Nothing really to say. I liked the part where Obito went to shake Naruto's hand and turns it into a choke, but beyond that it was just Obito returning to sanity really. This war has been horrible for me, but I'm tired of bashing it so I'll just say what I did enjoy. I liked the part where it looked like the original Obito, the cool one, punched Six Paths Obito in the face. Really Obito, what would Rin say if she saw you like this? They really like playing that Hokage card on characters wanting to reach it. I also enjoyed all those scenes of everyone in the Kyuubi cloak. They all look like they were having a rough time in the toilet or something. Naruto should get all credit for this war. Without his magical plot powered Kyuubi cloak, the average ninja would not have lasted this long or make a difference. So looks like Obito's been defeated. Hopefully Madara just died offscreen so the war can end.

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    Rin's face in this chapter was creepy (was that on purpose?) but I did like that the younger Obito was the one who did most of the talk no jutsu in this chapter even if it was just a hallucination. I admire Obito's willpower; he withstood the talk no jutsu for longer than I thought and at least he attempted to attack Naruto before he was overwhelmed with feels.

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    Tbh I'm not really looking forward to finishing off Madara. He's kinda boring considering he has no real connection with Naruto or anyone who isn't Hashirma or Obito and is just too perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Ken View Post
    Tbh I'm not really looking forward to finishing off Madara. He's kinda boring considering he has no real connection with Naruto or anyone who isn't Hashirma or Obito and is just too perfect.
    ive enjoyed madara more when he battled because he demolished everyone who wasnt hashirama, i guess he no real connection to naruto but everything thats going on right now is the fault of hashirama and madara. (imo edo madara can beat anyone)

    this is what i think is going to happen
    madara kills obito, madara gains control of the tailed beast(1-7 and part of the 8 tails and gets the 9 tails chakra from the alliance), gives it to the tree, infinite tsyukomi,gets talk no jutsu by hashirama tobirama naruto and the gokages before he can cast it

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Ken View Post
    Tbh I'm not really looking forward to finishing off Madara. He's kinda boring considering he has no real connection with Naruto or anyone who isn't Hashirma or Obito and is just too perfect.
    Madara feels last minute. They built up Obito/Tobi as Madara just to keep the name relevant so when they pulled this Edo Tensei madness you would remember that our main villain was indeed suppose to be Madara Uchiha, just not the one you expected. Madara's main story with Hashirama is his main story and sadly I just don't care about it. Not because I don't find it interesting, but because they told it right in the middle of the war with both characters never truly appearing until now. I know I bash the character but on some level I do care about Obito. That Kakashi special was perfect, in it's timing and place between Part 1 and 2 and made me care for the Kakashi, Obito, and Rin story so when Tobi revealed himself as Obito, despite how obvious it was, I actually felt something for the character. With Madara, I don't care at all. We only get little tibits on him and Hashirama in the series until we hear their backstory...which is in the middle of a war with tons of crap going on. Now a lot of villains are like this, the difference is these villains are connected to Naruto, Sasuke, Gaara, or someone relevant in the series. The Madara vs Hashirama duel is literally two dead corpses fighting a war that ended years ago before most of the characters were even born. Oh well, I'm just going to shut up and see where this ride takes us. I hope Madara is finished of quickly. I want to see Naruto vs Sasuke already.
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