Naruto: Post Timeskip Disscussion (Warning Intense Spoilers!)

[Joltik-Kid]

I personally thought that the battle was one of the worst battles in Part 2; I thought Sakura and Chiyo were shown as inept on their own, and I only enjoyed Sasori's taunts to Chiyo. As for the fight itself; it was long and overly dramatic.

That's still more the any other girl in the series...the rest of them barely get treated well at all

[Platinum fan.]

True, but that's due to more of a speed issue then inability to damage. The Gentle Fist's ability to counter any chakra based technique would actually make it far more useful against those three then any other attack. The only people I think would be unaffected would be Tobi, Kakuzu, Kisame, and Orochimaru.

It probably wouldn't work on Pain either, or even Konan if she can split her body parts into paper at will, or anyone who fights with puppets at a distance. Basically if you fight at a distance your safe as that spider ninja, Kidomaru clearly pointed out nearly all of Neji's flaws and there was nothing too special about Kidomaru when he wasn't in his cursed state.

[TsukiMirage]

It probably wouldn't work on Pain either, or even Konan if she can split her body parts into paper at will, or anyone who fights with puppets at a distance. Basically if you fight at a distance your safe as that spider ninja, Kidomaru clearly pointed out nearly all of Neji's flaws and there was nothing too special about Kidomaru when he wasn't in his cursed state.

Actually, a puppet should be easy. All the Hyuuga would have to do is cut the chakra string and they dealt with it. The Paths, no, since they're nothing but corpses. Konan, probably, since her technique is still a ninjutsu. Anyway, the distance issue has been resolved with the introduction of the Empty Palm, which has quite a bit of range to it.

[Blaziryu]

Kishi is really hyping up the 1st Hokage. If he was so powerful, then he should've easily defeated the 3rd Hokage back in Part I.

[Shadow Lucario]

Kishi is really hyping up the 1st Hokage. If he was so powerful, then he should've easily defeated the 3rd Hokage back in Part I.

Not really because Hiruzen is said to have been the strongest Hokage.

[Platinum fan.]

Actually, a puppet should be easy. All the Hyuuga would have to do is cut the chakra string and they dealt with it. The Paths, no, since they're nothing but corpses. Konan, probably, since her technique is still a ninjutsu. Anyway, the distance issue has been resolved with the introduction of the Empty Palm, which has quite a bit of range to it.

Puppet masters can reattach the chakra strings. The Gentle Fist still isn't that haxed in part 2 compared to all the other new stuff that's been introduced especially from the Uchiha's. If a Hyuga were to take on any of the main villains right now they would lose because they either have Sharingan or some other hax power that makes everything the Hyuga's done until now childs play. It's the same as Sakura and Tsunade's super strength really it's only good if they can land a hit on the enemy. I'm not saying Hyuga's are weak because they aren't, they are still probably some of the strongest ninja clans in Konoha but they like everyone else have been demoted because they don't have Sharingan/Rinnegan, a Bijuu, or DNA of stronger ninjas like Orochimaru and the 1st Hokage. Basically you have to have those things to even be strong in the series anymore...or the title 'kage'

[Durian Seed]

Kishi is really hyping up the 1st Hokage. If he was so powerful, then he should've easily defeated the 3rd Hokage back in Part I.

Kabuto does something to the Edo Tensei'd corpses, that makes the stronger than they were at their prime, he refined Orochimaru's techniques.

[Ciccone]

Not really because Hiruzen is said to have been the strongest Hokage.

And as someone said before; the first, third and fourth Hokage have all been called the strongest at some point in the story.

[Shadow Lucario]

And as someone said before; the first, third and fourth Hokage have all been called the strongest at some point in the story.

I remember the fourth being called the strongest of his generation, but not the strongest Hokage. We still have yet to see Hiruzen fight in his prime.

[Joltik-Kid]

I remember the fourth being called the strongest of his generation, but not the strongest Hokage. We still have yet to see Hiruzen fight in his prime.

When Jiraya was teaching Naruto the Rasengan, he tells Naruto that it took the 4th 3 years to master the attack. Naruto then says to himself that the 4th was the best (as in Hokage) So we really won't ever know who was the best, though it seems the 1st is yet again being hyped to be the strongest

[miles0624]

I still think it is the fourth who is the strongest. Remember the third, he could easily fight on the same ground as the second and first. However, when orochimaru brought of the box for the fourth hokage (which i still don't get why Kabuto doesn't use. If Orochi-temi could summon it, then so should Kabuto), he panicked and knew he would lose. This could also be because of how he was outnumbered, but I still think it shows his fear for the power of the fourth.

[Ciccone]

I still think it is the fourth who is the strongest. Remember the third, he could easily fight on the same ground as the second and first. However, when orochimaru brought of the box for the fourth hokage (which i still don't get why Kabuto doesn't use. If Orochi-temi could summon it, then so should Kabuto), he panicked and knew he would lose. This could also be because of how he was outnumbered, but I still think it shows his fear for the power of the fourth.

The fourth Hokage couldn't be resurrected because his soul was already sealed inside the God of Death. I'm guessing that even though Orochimaru summoned his coffin, the jutsu itself was a failure which might explain why the coffin didn't open when it was summoned.

[TsukiMirage]

Kishi is really hyping up the 1st Hokage. If he was so powerful, then he should've easily defeated the 3rd Hokage back in Part I.

Because he was a mindless puppet at the time, incapable of using tactics or intelligences. Plus Orochimaru spend the time playing around instead of going straight for the kill.

Puppet masters can reattach the chakra strings. The Gentle Fist still isn't that haxed in part 2 compared to all the other new stuff that's been introduced especially from the Uchiha's. If a Hyuga were to take on any of the main villains right now they would lose because they either have Sharingan or some other hax power that makes everything the Hyuga's done until now childs play. It's the same as Sakura and Tsunade's super strength really it's only good if they can land a hit on the enemy. I'm not saying Hyuga's are weak because they aren't, they are still probably some of the strongest ninja clans in Konoha but they like everyone else have been demoted because they don't have Sharingan/Rinnegan, a Bijuu, or DNA of stronger ninjas like Orochimaru and the 1st Hokage. Basically you have to have those things to even be strong in the series anymore...or the title 'kage'

Reattaching wouldn't prevent them from being cut once again. Unless they're like Sasori, hiding inside their puppet, they would be vulnerable before they could put the strings up again. They may lack the sheer destructive power the others have showcased, but I think the ability to inflict a lethal hit or even shut down someone's ability to use chakra with a mere touch would allow them to complete with all but the top tier of ninjas.

I remember the fourth being called the strongest of his generation, but not the strongest Hokage. We still have yet to see Hiruzen fight in his prime.

Him still being considered the strongest is questionable given the hike in power that has happen. Chiyo, Danzo, and Onoki have shown use that an old ninjas skills don't drop that much with age. So Sarutobi in his prime shouldn't be that much different then his old self.

[TrollsterInc]

Puppet masters can reattach the chakra strings. The Gentle Fist still isn't that haxed in part 2 compared to all the other new stuff that's been introduced especially from the Uchiha's. If a Hyuga were to take on any of the main villains right now they would lose because they either have Sharingan or some other hax power that makes everything the Hyuga's done until now childs play. It's the same as Sakura and Tsunade's super strength really it's only good if they can land a hit on the enemy. I'm not saying Hyuga's are weak because they aren't, they are still probably some of the strongest ninja clans in Konoha but they like everyone else have been demoted because they don't have Sharingan/Rinnegan, a Bijuu, or DNA of stronger ninjas like Orochimaru and the 1st Hokage. Basically you have to have those things to even be strong in the series anymore...or the title 'kage'

+1 Internets for agreement. I'm still amazed Guy is still alive, considering he has none of these things...then again, he's helping Naruto against Tobi, so he probably will either fall back in awe and do nothing, or die in one hit, pretty much.

[7 tyranitars]

+1 Internets for agreement. I'm still amazed Guy is still alive, considering he has none of these things...then again, he's helping Naruto against Tobi, so he probably will either fall back in awe and do nothing, or die in one hit, pretty much.

Guy isn't weak, he defeated Kisame remember? His eight gates technique is deathly.

[Ciccone]

Guy isn't weak, he defeated Kisame remember? His eight gates technique is deathly.

But wasn't Kisame already weakened at the time of his battle with Guy? He fought Killer Bee after all, and even though he switched with Zetsu at some point, he must have used a lot of chakra before that point.

[7 tyranitars]

But wasn't Kisame already weakened at the time of his battle with Guy? He fought Killer Bee after all, and even though he switched with Zetsu at some point, he must have used a lot of chakra before that point.

He had some time to recover in samahada remember, besides he didn't seem that weakened.

[Joltik-Kid]

But wasn't Kisame already weakened at the time of his battle with Guy? He fought Killer Bee after all, and even though he switched with Zetsu at some point, he must have used a lot of chakra before that point.

Kisame kept stealing Charka from others before fighting guy

[TsukiMirage]

Seeing how Gai with only the Seventh Gate was able to handle a Bijuu and implications that he could even counter a Bijuu Blast, I'll say Gai's really showing the potential of a "regular" ninja.

[Durian Seed]

Kisame kept stealing Charka from others before fighting guy

Very true, I overlooked that part of the episode.

Seeing how Gai with only the Seventh Gate was able to handle a Bijuu and implications that he could even counter a Bijuu Blast, I'll say Gai's really showing the potential of a "regular" ninja.

Might Guy is a splendid example of the results of hard work and training to master your discipline. I can only hope one day Rock Lee can reach those heights of power and skill.

It was disappointing how they neglected the negative aftereffects of using the Celestial Gates.