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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    Sakura getting a powerup this late in the game won't change anything at all really. Compared to Naruto and Sasuke, everyone and everything is pointless now. They are the Gods of the shinobi world now. So whatever Sakura does will not compare. No matter what Obito asks/makes her do.
    Umm it's because Naruto and Sasuke are the main characters. No to mention, Sakura doesn't come from a prestigious clan or have a demon fox or sharingan in her which makes them stronger than most. Naruto and Sasuke are Fighter character types. Sakura is a Healer character type. Different character types entirely.
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    Umm it's because Naruto and Sasuke are the main characters. Sakura doesn't come from a prestigious clan or have a demon fox or sharingan in her which makes them stronger than most. Naruto and Sasuke are Fighter character types. Sakura is a Healer character type. Different character types entirely.
    I think that's the point; she's not as gifted as her teammates. So if she got a power up now, it would seem a bit cheap given the she's never showcased any extraordinary abilities like Naruto or Sasuke before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorde View Post
    I think that's the point; she's not as gifted as her teammates. So if she got a power up now, it would seem a bit cheap given the she's never showcased any extraordinary abilities like Naruto or Sasuke before.
    This. This is basically what I was getting at. Sakura isn't special so her getting a upgrade is not needed. It won't help at all. Sakura is a main character too, but clearly not a important one. Sakura could be killed off and the storyline wouldn't be hurt at all. Even old Kakashi is more important to the plot then poor Sakura. Kakashi at least had the Obito storyline.

    There is no upgrade that can help Sakura be useful in this Madara fight, unless she can spam a healing power that is Wolverine worthy, and even that's just playing support. So Sakura...while I feel got heavily cheated in the series, doesn't need a upgrade. Upgrading anyone who isn't Naruto or Sasuke is pointless now because they are the only two that matter. Everyone else is expendable.

    Edit: When I was complaining about Sakura's lack of upgrade I was mostly making fun of how Kishi treats Sakura, the leading lady of the Naruto series, so poorly compared to her teammates. If written better I would have loved for Sakura to be right there with her teammates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorde View Post
    I think that's the point; she's not as gifted as her teammates. So if she got a power up now, it would seem a bit cheap given the she's never showcased any extraordinary abilities like Naruto or Sasuke before.
    I think it's awesome for a normal fighter like Sakura to acheive all of that without relying on a special ability like her teammates.

    I don't think its cheap lol. She's the disciple of a Sannin who's the 5th Hokage. Plus, these latest chapters speaks volume about her power and what she can do. Sakura seems that she has more in store regarding power in the upcoming chapters. We'll see
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    This. This is basically what I was getting at. Sakura isn't special so her getting a upgrade is not needed. It won't help at all. Sakura is a main character too, but clearly not a important one. Sakura could be killed off and the storyline wouldn't be hurt at all. Even old Kakashi is more important to the plot the poor Sakura. Kakashi at least had the Obito storyline.

    There is no upgrade that can help Sakura be useful in this Madara fight, unless she can spam a healing power that is Wolverine worthy, and even that's just playing support. So Sakura...while I feel got heavily cheated in the series, doesn't need a upgrade. Upgrading anyone who isn't Naruto or Sasuke is pointless now because they are the only two that matter. Everyone else is extendable.

    Edit: When I was complaining about Sakura's lack of upgrade I was mostly making fun of how Kishi treats Sakura, the leading lady of the Naruto series, so poorly compared to her teammates. If written better I would have loved for Sakura to be right there with her teammates.
    You know, it kind of makes you think that the series would be better off as a whole with Hinata as a member of Team 7 instead of Sakura. Kishi was saying something about using Sakura to compare how strong Naruto and Sasuke are compared to the average ninja, but no one really cares about that comparison (or most of the slapstick from her, for that matter). Truth be told, she could've been completely written out of most of the major arcs, and there would've been no substantial difference in what happened in the story. The only time she really had relevance as a member of Team 7 was during the Kazekage Rescue Arc, but really, they could've just had Chiyo be a better medic that was much more prepared for Sasori's poison. Sakura could've been made a member of a different team altogether, and she would've done very well as a side character. With the lack of appearances, the slapstick would be more enjoyable due to the lack of overuse and her role in the story would've been more respectable because there wouldn't be as much flab surrounding it (there's only so often that you can remind the audience that she loves Sasuke and is annoyed by Naruto before it wears on the nerves).

    As for Hinata, it was already made clear in Part I that the Gentle Fist can also be used to improve chakra flow throughout the body. The Hyuuga clan seems to be more focused on combat, so maybe they could've had Hinata become a medic in order to break ground (kind of like in the anime). Imagine if they had Hinata be a founder of Gentle Fist acupressure as a means of accelerating the healing process. It would give the Hyuugas in general (especially the weaker ones) more purpose and Hinata's role as part of the main cast would help us all remember that the Byakugan is a thing.

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    Eh, maybe that's a good idea in retrospect, but the bottom line is its just lazy writing, which ironically started to take off right about after the Kazekage arc.

    Sakura was written perfectly up until that point, there's absolutely no reason Kishi couldn't continue that. But obviously no matter what female was in the position they would've been made to look bad eventually.
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    And this hype trian just keep on moving. Naruto now has Magnet Release while Madara seems to have Storm Release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokeMaster366 View Post
    You know, it kind of makes you think that the series would be better off as a whole with Hinata as a member of Team 7 instead of Sakura. Kishi was saying something about using Sakura to compare how strong Naruto and Sasuke are compared to the average ninja, but no one really cares about that comparison (or most of the slapstick from her, for that matter). Truth be told, she could've been completely written out of most of the major arcs, and there would've been no substantial difference in what happened in the story. The only time she really had relevance as a member of Team 7 was during the Kazekage Rescue Arc, but really, they could've just had Chiyo be a better medic that was much more prepared for Sasori's poison. Sakura could've been made a member of a different team altogether, and she would've done very well as a side character. With the lack of appearances, the slapstick would be more enjoyable due to the lack of overuse and her role in the story would've been more respectable because there wouldn't be as much flab surrounding it (there's only so often that you can remind the audience that she loves Sasuke and is annoyed by Naruto before it wears on the nerves).

    As for Hinata, it was already made clear in Part I that the Gentle Fist can also be used to improve chakra flow throughout the body. The Hyuuga clan seems to be more focused on combat, so maybe they could've had Hinata become a medic in order to break ground (kind of like in the anime). Imagine if they had Hinata be a founder of Gentle Fist acupressure as a means of accelerating the healing process. It would give the Hyuugas in general (especially the weaker ones) more purpose and Hinata's role as part of the main cast would help us all remember that the Byakugan is a thing.
    Tsunderes are perfect fit for the heroine spot imo and she gives a different dynamic to team 7 because of her personality. She doesn't have to be all powerful Mary sue to be considered a perfect heroine. Sakura is a healer and yet people expect her to have more screen time fighting and developing even though her role lies in support. This is just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by besho View Post
    Tsunderes are perfect fit for the heroine spot imo and she gives a different dynamic to team 7 because of her personality. She doesn't have to be all powerful Mary sue to be considered a perfect heroine. Sakura is a healer and yet people expect her to have more screen time fighting and developing even though her role lies in support. This is just my opinion.
    Really? I thought Sakura's dynamic with team seven was quite predictable. Female lead beats up main character boy, likes a cool jerk, and slowly might develop feelings for the idiot main character. Anime plays that card all the time. It was only in part 2 that Sakura's dynamic truly changed and became something worth taking notice. I didn't have a problem with Sakura as the female lead, which says a lot because I normally don't like tsundere characters. They are loud, obnoxious, overrated, and cliched. But Sakura, IMO, managed to avoid pretty much all the bad tsundere traits. So I would not have traded her for Hinata. Sakura's problem is she has no plot to the storyline anymore and of team seven is the most expendable, even to Kakashi. The storyline they teased with Sakura at the end of part 1 was just that. A tease. Sakura had a lot of potential and none of it was reached. She is highly underrated too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    Sakura's problem is she has no plot to the storyline anymore and of team seven is the most expendable, even to Kakashi. The storyline they teased with Sakura at the end of part 1 was just that. A tease. Sakura had a lot of potential and none of it was reached. She is highly underrated too.
    I won't deny that I get irritated with Kishi's lack of focus on Sakura -.- but then again I wouldn't say she has no plot to the story. That's harsh. The team 7 bond is the main structure for this series and Sakura is a part of it
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    When I saw the spoilers I though when Madara launched his storm move I was thinking about this is going to be shooking

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokeMaster366 View Post
    but really, they could've just had Chiyo be a better medic that was much more prepared for Sasori's poison.
    You know, even if Chiyo was a better Medical Ninja, she still wouldn't have been able to defeat Hiruko. She told Sakura that she didn't have the strength to that.

    And Sakura may not be as interesting as Naruto and Sasuke because she isn't a Jinchuriki nor does she has a visual powers, but out of Konoha 11, she's the second/third strongest according to the 3rd databook tied with Naruto (this is before he got to handle Kurama, when the fourth is released his stats will be higher) and Neji, but he's dead. :/ The only thing Hinata has over her is the Byakugan. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuskie Tyrant Yoko Kurama View Post
    You know, even if Chiyo was a better Medical Ninja, she still wouldn't have been able to defeat Hiruko. She told Sakura that she didn't have the strength to that.

    And Sakura may not be as interesting as Naruto and Sasuke because she isn't a Jinchuriki nor does she has an visual powers, but out of Konoha 11, she's the third strongest according to that databook. The only thing Hinata has over her is the Byakugan. :/
    I agree that Sakura's accomplishments while fighting Sasori were impressive. Even with Chiyo's help, Sakura was the one who did the most damage. She was great then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorde View Post
    I agree that Sakura's accomplishments while fighting Sasori were impressive. Even with Chiyo's help, Sakura was the one who did the most damage. She was great then.
    It's too bad Sakura didn't beat Sasori alone...or at all really. Without Chiyo using her as a puppet, Sasori would have killed Sakura with his opening dart attack. At least she destroyed his Kazekage puppet by herself.

    As for Sasori's puppets, it seems medical ninjas are his achilles heel. Kabuto managed to cut off the puppet head of Sasori's doll as well when Yamato used it. These medical shinobi are quite something. I wish we'd got to see more of what they can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    It's too bad Sakura didn't beat Sasori alone...or at all really. Without Chiyo using her as a puppet, Sasori would have killed Sakura with his opening dart attack. At least she destroyed his Kazekage puppet by herself.

    As for Sasori's puppets, it seems medical ninjas are his achilles heel. Kabuto managed to cut off the puppet head of Sasori's doll as well when Yamato used it. These medical shinobi are quite something. I wish we'd got to see more of what they can do.
    I still give Sakura credit though. She did very well against an Akatsuki member who was apparently stronger than Deidara (whom Sasuke struggled against). And the Kabuto thing doesn't count in my opinion given that Yamato was merely playing the part of Sasori and his reflexes weren't the same as the real one's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorde View Post
    I still give Sakura credit though. She did very well against an Akatsuki member who was apparently stronger than Deidara (whom Sasuke struggled against). And the Kabuto thing doesn't count in my opinion given that Yamato was merely playing the part of Sasori and his reflexes weren't the same as the real one's.
    Well yeah Sasuke struggled against Deidara. He was alone and wasn't all powerful like he is right now. No MS to spam. And I didn't mean the reflexes, I mean the sheer power needed to break Sasori's puppets. Chiyo herself said she couldn't break them, so obviously these things don't break easy, regardless who is using them. It does take force to break them and Kabuto apparently is strong enough to break one. At least the head.
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    Wow. It amazes me how much people grasp at straws when trying to defend Sakura's character in this series. The fact that her claim to fame is something that happened 100+ chapters ago should really give you a hint as to how badly this character is written.

    Well, to be fair, nearly every female charter in this series is written horribly besides Otohime who's basically god. But even then, that's not a character, it's basically a job description. I don't think Kishimoto hates women, but he does seem to have some sort of problem with them as almost all of his female characters either hug the sidelines wimpering about one of the males in the series, or they get a "Crowning Moment of Awesome" that is immediately invalidated by their male character counterparts.

    Sakura gets this supposed super powerful upgrade that put supposedly puts her on the same level as Tsunade and allow her to stand on equal footing with Naruto and Sasuke, and what happens? The inventor of ninjutsu comes from out of nowhere and basically hands Naruto and Sasuke the ability to use every conceivable technique in the whole series? So Sakura is immediately back to where Kishimoto likes, sitting on the sidelines wimpering and thinking about Naruto or Sasuke, gawking at them displaying the ability of gods.

    The thing is, in a series about a series that's mostly about fighting, healers will never take center stage nor will they be impressive in the slightest. If all a character has going for them is "healing super well and punching really ****ing hard" they will inevitably be pushed to the wayside for characters that can literally bend the elements to their will like a kid in a sandbox. So not only is Sakura screwed from a gender standpoint, she also is limited by the role she's supposed to play in her series, one that demands that you basically wait on the sidelines for all the big guns to get injured and heal them so they can go back out there to save the day. And no matter how much you try to hype it, that's just not exciting. Any exploits done by healer's are just not impressive at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deathseer View Post
    Wow. It amazes me how much people grasp at straws when trying to defend Sakura's character in this series. The fact that her claim to fame is something that happened 100+ chapters ago should really give you a hint as to how badly this character is written.

    Well, to be fair, nearly every female charter in this series is written horribly besides Otohime who's basically god. But even then, that's not a character, it's basically a job description. I don't think Kishimoto hates women, but he does seem to have some sort of problem with them as almost all of his female characters either hug the sidelines wimpering about one of the males in the series, or they get a "Crowning Moment of Awesome" that is immediately invalidated by their male character counterparts.

    Sakura gets this supposed super powerful upgrade that put supposedly puts her on the same level as Tsunade and allow her to stand on equal footing with Naruto and Sasuke, and what happens? The inventor of ninjutsu comes from out of nowhere and basically hands Naruto and Sasuke the ability to use every conceivable technique in the whole series? So Sakura is immediately back to where Kishimoto likes, sitting on the sidelines wimpering and thinking about Naruto or Sasuke, gawking at them displaying the ability of gods.

    The thing is, in a series about a series that's mostly about fighting, healers will never take center stage nor will they be impressive in the slightest. If all a character has going for them is "healing super well and punching really ****ing hard" they will inevitably be pushed to the wayside for characters that can literally bend the elements to their will like a kid in a sandbox. So not only is Sakura screwed from a gender standpoint, she also is limited by the role she's supposed to play in her series, one that demands that you basically wait on the sidelines for all the big guns to get injured and heal them so they can go back out there to save the day. And no matter how much you try to hype it, that's just not exciting. Any exploits done by healer's are just not impressive at all.
    Even with her Tsunade upgrade, I did not consider Sakura on equal footing with Naruto or Sasuke. Those two surpassed their Sannin ages ago and that was before they got their godly Six Path powers. It just felt like Kishimoto was trying to give the fans a Team Seven moment before the series ended and Sakura needed a upgrade so Tsunade junior it is. Too bad Tsunade's not nearly as powerful as she was hyped in part 1...actually even in part 1 I never got the feeling Tsunade was a game changer.

    As far as the females go, that's pretty much true. There's not one female I can think of in Naruto that is truly a breakout character. The only one who is probably equally even with her teammates is Ino Yamanaka. She was the unofficial leader of her group before Shikamaru became a Chunin, and she never fell behind her teammates during the series. Everyone else either falls behind or gets captured a lot. I always chuckle during the Pain flashback when Konan has been captured by the enemy to force Yahiko and Nagato to surrender. Konan, the coldest female ninja in Naruto, yeah that's the female leads role in Naruto.

    Another complaint I have about the girls is half their backstories aren't even explained. Do we know anything about Sakura's family the Haruno clan? Do we know anything about Tenten's? Did they even mention Rin Nohara's clan? Even the smallest of things the females don't get. I guess it's pointless to complain about that now.
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    I'm personally not a Sakura fan; I merely thought that her battle against Sasori was interesting and was one of the few well-written fights of early Part 2 in my opinion. At least she was active for once and did something that showcased her talents. :x

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    And yet that's everyone's go to moment, or really the only moment that people bring up when trying to defend her, while also simultaneously trying to bring down Sasuke's character by saying that because Sasaori was deemed stronger than Deidara and Sasuke struggled in beating him, it somehow makes Sakura the stronger character. Nothing recent, just a fight that happened 100+ chapters ago in the very beginning of Shippuden. What has she done lately of note? Not talking about healing someone really good, what has she done fightwise? Who has she beaten or at least posed a threat to? Because right now, the two people she supposedly was supposed to be on equal ground with and who she vowed she wouldn't let them constantly stay ahead of her are now fighting toe-to-toe with essentially a god of this series while she is once again watching from the bleachers.

    Unless Kishimoto has her fight Obito-Zetsu, which even won't register as a blip on the radar since Naruto beat him at his strongest so whatever Sakura does won't be nearly as impressive. Also, since he will probably will be fighting with the intention to die, it will cheapen her win because Kishimoto is writing a fight in which the reader can clearly see she is meant to win, so it takes all of the stakes away, while Naruto fought him with the possiblity of the world as he knows it ending should he lose. It's the same reason I don't put any stock into Sasuke's win over Itachi. Not only was Itachi already dying, but it was also a fight he was never meant to win in the first place. Itachi's entire character eventually became his desire to see himself die at the hands of little brother. So how could I realistically say at the time that Sasuke was stronger, when the entire time Itachi was written with a handicap?
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    Quote Originally Posted by deathseer View Post
    And yet that's everyone's go to moment, or really the only moment that people bring up when trying to defend her, while also simultaneously trying to bring down Sasuke's character by saying that because Sasaori was deemed stronger than Deidara and Sasuke struggled in beating him, it somehow makes Sakura the stronger character.
    If this is a passive aggressive dig at my post from yesterday, I'll clarify: I never said that Sakura was stronger than Sasuke nor did I mean to imply that. But God forbid should someone have one good thing to say about Sakura or female characters in general in this series.

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    Not saying you. Its just a common occurrence when this topic comes up.

    And until we get a famale charter that can match the likes of the Sasuke's and Naruto's of the world, or the Jiraya's and the Orochimaru's or even Kakashi, there isn't much you can say about any of them other than "Yes, they were in fact drawn on this page"
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    I can say that Sakura is the strongest when it come to her physcle strenght then to Naruto and Sasuke.

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    Is that really such a feat though? We have characters in this series that piss all over the laws of space-time and make physical attacks outright useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deathseer View Post
    And yet that's everyone's go to moment, or really the only moment that people bring up when trying to defend her, while also simultaneously trying to bring down Sasuke's character by saying that because Sasaori was deemed stronger than Deidara and Sasuke struggled in beating him, it somehow makes Sakura the stronger character. Nothing recent, just a fight that happened 100+ chapters ago in the very beginning of Shippuden. What has she done lately of note? Not talking about healing someone really good, what has she done fightwise? Who has she beaten or at least posed a threat to? Because right now, the two people she supposedly was supposed to be on equal ground with and who she vowed she wouldn't let them constantly stay ahead of her are now fighting toe-to-toe with essentially a god of this series while she is once again watching from the bleachers.
    That's not even bringing down Sasuke's character, the difference is Sakura was prepared to fight Sasori with antidotes she had made, Sasuke knew nothing about Deidara. No one's bringing him down, if anything, you're trying to make it seem as if people and when they're really not.
    Unless Kishimoto has her fight Obito-Zetsu, which even won't register as a blip on the radar since Naruto beat him at his strongest so whatever Sakura does won't be nearly as impressive. Also, since he will probably will be fighting with the intention to die, it will cheapen her win because Kishimoto is writing a fight in which the reader can clearly see she is meant to win, so it takes all of the stakes away, while Naruto fought him with the possiblity of the world as he knows it ending should he lose. It's the same reason I don't put any stock into Sasuke's win over Itachi. Not only was Itachi already dying, but it was also a fight he was never meant to win in the first place. Itachi's entire character eventually became his desire to see himself die at the hands of little brother. So how could I realistically say at the time that Sasuke was stronger, when the entire time Itachi was written with a handicap?
    Please explain why would Sakura and Obito fight after he just saved Naruto? It would be pointless for that to happen, and I doubt Kishi would allow Sakura to fight Obito at this point after his resolve.

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