Bleach Manga (many spoilers) discussion

[dewey911p]

Wouldn't it be cool if Yamamoto just slaughter Aizen when Aizen was using kyoka Suigetsu like he did to imitate Momo? Aizen is suppose to make a comeback, and he has the ability to pull off a switch like this without being noticed.

Speaking of Aizen, what the hell was Yamamoto doing when he fought Aizen and didn't use his Bankai? Sure WW would have sealed it, but it seems like Yama could have used his bankai from the start and save the captains a beating. Obviously that would have ruined the point of Kubo's story and all, but what the hell?

Digression aside, Juha Bach clearly had nothing to stand up to Yamamoto and so he needed to draw out Yamamoto's bankai, if that wasn't really the enemy leader (yet he still beat Kenpachi with no effort) Yamamoto unveiled his true powers to a fake. Next chapter, the real Juha Bach pops out of the ground and seals Yamamoto's bankai, kills him, brings him back to life, and thus the royal guard and Ichigo become relevant again.

Just some speculations from a fan, but this sure is one hell of an arc, so much so it makes up for that boring and anti-climatic fullbringer arc we endured =)

[PokeMaster366]

Wouldn't it be cool if Yamamoto just slaughter Aizen when Aizen was using kyoka Suigetsu like he did to imitate Momo? Aizen is suppose to make a comeback, and he has the ability to pull off a switch like this without being noticed.

Speaking of Aizen, what the hell was Yamamoto doing when he fought Aizen and didn't use his Bankai? Sure WW would have sealed it, but it seems like Yama could have used his bankai from the start and save the captains a beating. Obviously that would have ruined the point of Kubo's story and all, but what the hell?

Digression aside, Juha Bach clearly had nothing to stand up to Yamamoto and so he needed to draw out Yamamoto's bankai, if that wasn't really the enemy leader (yet he still beat Kenpachi with no effort) Yamamoto unveiled his true powers to a fake. Next chapter, the real Juha Bach pops out of the ground and seals Yamamoto's bankai, kills him, brings him back to life, and thus the royal guard and Ichigo become relevant again.

Just some speculations from a fan, but this sure is one hell of an arc, so much so it makes up for that boring and anti-climatic fullbringer arc we endured =)

Well, if Yamamoto simply went Bankai at first glance and killed everyone, what would that be teaching. The old man has been living for more than a millenium, so I wouldn't doubt that he's been in his fair share of near-death experiences and acknowledges his own mortality. The younglings need to learn how to handle messes on their own, otherwise, Soul Society really would collapse after he's gone. An example of this will be Rukia and Renji if Byakuya stays dead. Someone needs to watch over 6th company as well as the Kuchiki clan.

[arceus03]

Well, if Yamamoto simply went Bankai at first glance and killed everyone, what would that be teaching. The old man has been living for more than a millenium, so I wouldn't doubt that he's been in his fair share of near-death experiences and acknowledges his own mortality. The younglings need to learn how to handle messes on their own, otherwise, Soul Society really would collapse after he's gone. An example of this will be Rukia and Renji if Byakuya stays dead. Someone needs to watch over 6th company as well as the Kuchiki clan.

He was willing to sac the Captains though, as he stated when he activated Ennetsu Jigoku. I think the thing that kept him from going bankai at that time was probably the effect it might had on the living world, since only a portion of SS was transferred at that time, or it might affect the pillars. Or something to that reason.

Then again, plotholes. :P I mean, all the other Captains also had the chance to go bankai; Rose, Love, Shinji, Shunsui, Ukitake.

And Sasakibe.

But none did.

[multi-scale]

This is complete bull, now Yama's bankai is getting stolen and we're going to get an Ichigo training montage and watch him defeat the strongest bankai in the history of SS with his own bankai, which has yet to have a clear purpose. A good twist though, and Yama's bankai has made this possibly the best 3-5 chapters in the history of Bleach.

[Shadow Lucario]

So if they can only steal Bankai that have reached their full potential, why was Daiguren Hyorinmaru stolen? Hitsugaya is still a kid and hasn't obviously reached his cap. Maybe I interpreted it wrong...

[Locormus]

Eitherway, he still isn't finished! xD

This could've been the worst pun ever if I wrote it like this:

Eitherway, he still Isshin't finished!..

Like.. Wow.. >.>

This is Kubo, who needs continuity? Maybe he aged backwards or something. Kirge did make that weird comment about his powers a while ago...

Perhaps Juha Bach/Juhabach is actually a title?

Lets hope not, but I do agree with you, Kubo hates continuity, and trying to go there with Bleach is just a futile effort.

Well, if Yamamoto simply went Bankai at first glance and killed everyone, what would that be teaching. The old man has been living for more than a millenium, so I wouldn't doubt that he's been in his fair share of near-death experiences and acknowledges his own mortality. The younglings need to learn how to handle messes on their own, otherwise, Soul Society really would collapse after he's gone. An example of this will be Rukia and Renji if Byakuya stays dead. Someone needs to watch over 6th company as well as the Kuchiki clan.

Well technically speaking, he's been dead for over a millenium.. :P Clans fade away eitherway..

This is complete bull, now Yama's bankai is getting stolen and we're going to get an Ichigo training montage and watch him defeat the strongest bankai in the history of SS with his own bankai, which has yet to have a clear purpose. A good twist though, and Yama's bankai has made this possibly the best 3-5 chapters in the history of Bleach.

Even when North looked boring as heck? Eitherway, training montage is coming up, I can feel it.. And I'm betting somebody who's in Hueco Mundo will help him: Grimmjaw Jaguerjaques.. :P

So if they can only steal Bankai that have reached their full potential, why was Daiguren Hyorinmaru stolen? Hitsugaya is still a kid and hasn't obviously reached his cap. Maybe I interpreted it wrong...

It's kinda obnoxious to think that Yama's bankai isn't completed either.. -.- When 3/4 powers are totally overpowered already.. -.-

[TsukiMirage]

So if they can only steal Bankai that have reached their full potential, why was Daiguren Hyorinmaru stolen? Hitsugaya is still a kid and hasn't obviously reached his cap. Maybe I interpreted it wrong...

I believed Kudo said in the interview before this saga that he had completed/mastered his Bankai during the time skip.

[Shadow Lucario]

I believed Kudo said in the interview before this saga that he had completed/mastered his Bankai during the time skip.

I guess I need to start reading his interviews. I just think it's hard to believe he COMPLETELY mastered his Bankai when he's still a kid. Is there going to be no more growth for Hitsugaya?

[lolipiece]

I guess I need to start reading his interviews. I just think it's hard to believe he COMPLETELY mastered his Bankai when he's still a kid. Is there going to be no more growth for Hitsugaya?

The fact that he's only a kid is impressive enough.

Who knows how long he has had it? Decades, maybe?

[Shadow Lucario]

The fact that he's only a kid is impressive enough.

Who knows how long he has had it? Decades, maybe?

Even so, didn't Byakuya say it takes 100 years to master a Bankai? I don't think Hitsugaya has had his Bankai for 100 years.

[arceus03]

Even so, didn't Byakuya say it takes 100 years to master a Bankai? I don't think Hitsugaya has had his Bankai for 100 years.

Depends on the person. Shunsui said that Hitsugaya is a prodigy so it could take him less time to master his. I think anyway.

[PokeMaster366]

Even so, didn't Byakuya say it takes 100 years to master a Bankai? I don't think Hitsugaya has had his Bankai for 100 years.

You should know by now that in anime or manga, whenever a kid is sent to do a man's job, they get it done twice as fast and with twice the angst. It's an anime law.

[Durian Seed]

I knew it, this Judas Bach is worse than Aizen, making shadow clones/edo tensei of himself with his subordinates and sacrifices?

Aizen has met his match. Where's Mirror Flower Water Moon when you need it?

[Locormus]

I knew it, this Judas Bach is worse than Aizen, making shadow clones/edo tensei of himself with his subordinates and sacrifices?

Aizen has met his match. Where's Mirror Flower Water Moon when you need it?

Shoooooooooooow the receipts!

[Durian Seed]

Shoooooooooooow the receipts!

Aizen is our only hope.

Hopefully in all the mayhem is guards/binding are loosened.

[JD]

Kenpachi was defeated by Loyd's brother Royd? I'm confused.. And it seems like its the end for Yamamoto

[lolipiece]

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I. Hate. You. Kubo.

This, was a waste of time.

And wait a second! What is with this translation?

It clearly states that they can't copy someone's appearances, yet they both did.

Who can take the appearances, and who can't?

[arceus03]

Trolling at its finest. Kind of anticipated that though, with the last chapter's ending and Juhabach's losing so easily.

This is Hitsugaya-stabs-Aizen-but-it's-really-Momo all over again. =|

So whoever said about there being no purpose for the Royal Guards can now sleep in peace. After the Quincys release Aizen would be my bet on when they appear.
If they ever do that.

Wait, so both could not imitate appearance. So... what now? Didn't those two just transformed into Kenpachi and the big bad?

Oh well. Now for the Royal Guards to come in I guess. If they release Aizen first.

Waiting for Unohana to show up.

And wait a second! What is with this translation?

It clearly states that they can't copy someone's appearances, yet they both did.

Who can take the appearances, and who can't?

Clearly both did.

I think it meant that both could imitate appearances. Just that one can do appearance and power, another can do appearance and mind.

Or could be they awakened that power or whatever after becoming Quincys.

[SkyDeity]

Well, now that the old man is about to die, I want to see what's going on in HM. I wonder if Aizen is gonna turn into some anti-hero this arc....or reclaim his position as the main villain.

[Nyarlathotep]

Nice chapter, Kubo did a good joog with the "Y" explanation.
I am hoping Yhwach will use Genryuusai's Bankai, I want to see who died and who did not.

[Grim Heaper]

It's the end of Soul Society as we know it, it's the end of Soul Society as we know it, it's the end of Soul Society as we know it but I feel fine~

- Kon

[TsukiMirage]

Got a little confused with the beginning, til I finally realized who was being talked about. And Aizen makes a reappearances. As expected, Back defeats Yamamoto's haxness by stealing his bankai, and it appears that Yamamoto's hypothesis was wrong. Well, now all that's left is for Ichigo to make his appearance. Suitable chapter.

[Locormus]

Got a little confused with the beginning, til I finally realized who was being talked about. And Aizen makes a reappearances. As expected, Back defeats Yamamoto's haxness by stealing his bankai, and it appears that Yamamoto's hypothesis was wrong. Well, now all that's left is for Ichigo to make his appearance. Suitable chapter.

It's a decent chapter, not really good, but oh well, if Kubo really wanted to do it this way, then he's fine to do so.. It just had no effect on me whatsoever..

[multi-scale]

I guess I need to start reading his interviews. I just think it's hard to believe he COMPLETELY mastered his Bankai when he's still a kid. Is there going to be no more growth for Hitsugaya?

Unohana said Hitsugaya's bankai wasn't actually stolen.

Nothing actually happened, but I guess Yama's screwed and Aizen is free, so good developments.


Crazy theory time: 1000 years ago Juhabach brought a strong faction of Quincies to attack Soul Society. In the resulting battle, Juhabach managed to kill the Captain Commander, who was Yamamoto's master. In his anger, Yamamoto released his bankai and defeated Juhabach (he did say Yamamoto's anger got the better of him). However, Yamamoto's master convinced him to not murder Bach and put him through the SS system. However, Juhabach managed to free himself and returned to the Quincies. He was hailed as a hero and quickly rose up the ranks to Emperor. In order to avoid a war and get revenge for his master, Yamamoto ordered the murder of the Quincies, increasing overall support and mobilization for the Quincy Empire. They then waited for Aizen to weaken Soul Society and took control of a weaker Hueco Muendo and attacked Soul Society.

I really hope Aizen tag teams with Ichigo. It not only reduces Ichigo's massive power leap from lame to Quincy Emperor, but it also kind of redeems his character.

[waffle_x_v]

Wow... Welp SS is done. Yama is gonna die within the next few chapters... The mystery person is becoming more and more anticipated as this goes on...