Bleach Manga (many spoilers) discussion

[Sogeking]

So you know this for 100% fact? Sure fangirls may have voted for Hitsugaya but I doubt that is the only reason Hitsugaya wins number 1. Also because you personally dislike Hitsugaya you call him a fanservice character. You said before that Bleach's sales went down so why doesn't Kubo use Hitsugaya to boost his chapter's position with the Japanese fangirls?

No, he's by definition a fanservice character, no opinions involved.

Yes there are bad chapters each year for Bleach but all mangas have that. Also how good a chapter is depends on the reader.

Not really, Bleach is just bad. If you think it's good you have terrible analysis skills.

Character faults and plot holes are your own analysis and therefore are your opinions. Yes I do go with opinion but if I try to tell you (sogeking) facts, you just out right ignore it or say it does not make sense and I have bad examples so I don't bother.

How are plot holes like Aizen knowing everything about Ichigo's life an opinion? And you don't give facts, you just say that it's an opinion every damn time, and use some dumbass excuse to why you still like it.

This is a Bleach Manga discussion thread so yeah we discuss and predict chapters in Bleach and state our opinion like if the chapter was good or it just plain sucked.

Then discuss it like you aren't from the special needs class.

Sogeking you pretty much bashed Bleach fans by saying . Rude much? Well I can't complain its really your loss. Hate on Bleach all you want but it won't stop publishing until Kubo says so.

If you like Bleach that much you deserve it.

[Prof.Arete]

on the grand spectrum of disappointment, Tite Kubo has successfully made a whole new level for himself and knowing my luck will continue to next week with the return of Aizen. Seriously, I for one will not be surprised if Aizen appears hovering over Ichigo and kiskue, going " i knew you had done something to me, that is why I hypnotised you" or some bullcrap like that. Whatever it is what happens, this arc better end fast

[Ciccone]

.......what was that? The ending, what exactly was that? I hope it's not something related to Aizen again.

Anyway, the chapter was ok, I just really wanted closure for the Espada and not just the Vizards. We still don't know what happened to other characters like Yamamoto, Gin, Tosen, Ukitake, and a buttload of others >:[

[Shadow Lucario]

What do you think is happening to Ichigo? I have 3 predictions as to what is happening to Ichigo.
1. His inner Hollow is now free from Zangetsu so he is attempting to take over Ichigo but he will fail and Ichigo will turn into a Vizard/Arrancar hybrid. (Pretty unlikely though Kubo has surprised us before lol.)

He can't become an Arrancar as he isn't a Hollow. Then again I don't understand how Tosen had a Resurrección form either.

2. The pain is the after affects of using Mugetsu and transforming himself into Zangetsu and it will take a while for him to recover and Isshin starts to tell Ichigo about his past as Ichigo recovers. At the end of the Isshin arc, Isshin tells Ichigo how to regain his shinigami powers. (This has a good chance of happening.)

I could see this happening. I wouldn't be upset either. I want to learn more about Ryuuken.

3. Ichigo is being affected by the Hougyoku and his secret desire to gain back Zangetsu or something like that. (Highly unlikely too.)

It's Kubo. 'Nuff said.

[Crimsonlink]

No, he's by definition a fanservice character, no opinions involved.

Well apparently by your definition.

Not really, Bleach is just bad. If you think it's good you have terrible analysis skills.

I think it is good so what is wrong with that? I think I have perfectly good analysis skills and I don't need a stranger who dislikes Bleach to tell me otherwise.

How are plot holes like Aizen knowing everything about Ichigo's life an opinion? And you don't give facts, you just say that it's an opinion every damn time, and use some dumbass excuse to why you still like it.

Excuses? I use examples as to why I like Bleach and I repeated many times its my opinion because people disagree with me. I can't just tell people Ichigo is awesome so I read Bleach and expect them to agree with me that the statement I made is a fact.

As for that Aizen plot hole, I never said there were no plot holes but somebody can disagree about the plot hole especially if Aizen's past is explained and light is shed on Ichigo's birth. Also Aizen may have been lying for all we know because he stated things that happened to Ichigo when he first met Rukia not to mention Aizen is a very good manipulator.
However in Chapter 397 page 16 Aizen states that he knew Ichigo since he was born so the plot hole can be closed right there if you choose to accept the answer Aizen gave Ichigo.

Then discuss it like you aren't from the special needs class.

I don't have any disorders that need special attention nor am I educationally challenged. However, I honestly think that I would have a better conversation with a special needs class student then with you about Bleach.
A person with a stick up their rectum isn't my choice of a person to discuss Bleach with on a forum.

If you like Bleach that much you deserve it

One word: Hater

Now have a good day sogeking and I hope we are still decently cordial to each other on the forums.

[Sogeking]

Well apparently by your definition.

A character who is designed for popular opinion, is liked by everyone, and gets a lot of screentime, while doing little for the big story. Yep, fanservice character.

I think it is good so what is wrong with that? I think I have perfectly good analysis skills and I don't need a stranger who dislikes Bleach to tell me otherwise.

You've never given a good reason as to why it is good, except for stuff that's easily refuted.

Excuses? I use examples as to why I like Bleach and I repeated many times its my opinion because people disagree with me. I can't just tell people Ichigo is awesome so I read Bleach and expect them to agree with me that the statement I made is a fact.

As for that Aizen plot hole, I never said there were no plot holes but somebody can disagree about the plot hole especially if Aizen's past is explained and light is shed on Ichigo's birth. Also Aizen may have been lying for all we know because he stated things that happened to Ichigo when he first met Rukia not to mention Aizen is a very good manipulator.
However in Chapter 397 page 16 Aizen states that he knew Ichigo since he was born so the plot hole can be closed right there if you choose to accept the answer Aizen gave Ichigo.

Just because a character in Bleach says something doesn't mean it's not a plot hole. Aizen knowing about Ichigo's birth would mean he sent Rukia to Karakura town, knew Ichigo would be in that spot, knew Rukia would get in the way saving him, and knowing Rukia would give him powers. It's either an ass-pull or a plot hole with Bleach, as there are either no explanation or terrible ones.

I don't have any disorders that need special attention nor am I educationally challenged. However, I honestly think that I would have a better conversation with a special needs class student then with you about Bleach.
A person with a stick up their rectum isn't my choice of a person to discuss Bleach with on a forum

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Why, so you can fan wank about how "cool" it is? All you do when someone complains about it is say it's opinion and it's not that bad. That's it, you don't say how it's good, you somehow don't understand how definitions work, and you don't know good story at all.

One word: Hater

Now have a good day sogeking and I hope we are still decently cordial to each other on the forums.

You can hate something because it's bad.

[Cyan]

Apparently Aizen's definition of normal was "Cthulhu Ripoff".

[Ciccone]

*Looks around at all the hate* I dislike some of the stuff in Bleach too, but I just try to tolerate it as best as I can and just roll with it. Even if the manga doesn't make sense sometimes, it's still really funny to watch it spiral out of control. I just really hope that the author will keep his promise of giving everyone closure, instead of him focusing on Hitsugaya or some other popular character again.

[Crimsonlink]

Sogeking I apologize for my harsh words and I'll ignore the stuff that is in your post. I was angered over a petty thing so again I'm sorry, it was wrong of me to insult you. But I stand by what I said on my last post about Hitsugaya and other parts besides the insults.

You've never given a good reason as to why it is good, except for stuff that's easily refuted.

I've given my reasons for why Bleach is good and you see my reasons as easily refuted so its a moot point. I'll just have to ignore your posts and carry on with the discussions.

*Looks around at all the hate* I dislike some of the stuff in Bleach too, but I just try to tolerate as best as I can and just roll with it. Even if the manga doesn't make sense sometimes, it's still really funny to watch it spiral out of control.

Thanks for being honest Kira and yes I agree with part of your post.

[uber gon]

Apparently Aizen's definition of normal was "Cthulhu Ripoff".

Well it was a sucky Cthulhu ripoff.

Did Yammy kill a puppy? I hope he burns.

[Sogeking]

Sogeking I apologize for my harsh words and I'll ignore the stuff that is in your post. I was angered over a petty thing so again I'm sorry, it was wrong of me to insult you. But I stand by what I said on my last post about Hitsugaya and other parts besides the insults.


I've given my reasons for why Bleach is good and you see my reasons as easily refuted so its a moot point. I'll just have to ignore your posts and carry on with the discussions.


Thanks for being honest Kira and yes I agree with part of your post.

Even Oda has mentioned in an interview that Kubo made Hitsugaya as a fanservice character.

And you say Bleach is good for reasons that don't exist.

And if Aizen wanted a normal life and the Hyogoku granted wished then why didn't he wish for that?

And why are Ichigo's friends in casts and stuff when Orihime can heal it completely?

And why does Byakuya's arm look horribly proportioned in that shot of him with Kenpachi?

[TsukiMirage]

Decent enough chapter for Bleach. Little confused as to why Ichigo was attempting to justify Aizen. I like the reappearance of the Vizards, Even if they didn't really have the impact they should have had. I suppose at the end that was Ichigo losing his Shinigami powers.

[lucky_u]

I was wondering if Ichigo would turned back into Plus now that he had lost his shinigami power? Well, at any rate, Uruhara would be the one returning his power. Why you say? Isshin once implied that he knows the Final move, during Ichigo's training. Uruhara asked Isshin whether it feels good to regain shinigami power after 20 years.
Most likely returning shinigami power would need certain requirement.
But all of this again is speculation.
We might have a chapter or two on Ichigo being powerless, just like Uryu did.

[beakman]

i agree with lucky. There is a chance that Isshin had lost the power as Ichigo has now, but got it back. But then, Ishhin might have chosen not to become shinigami for the sake of his children?
I am dead sure that Ichigo will get his power back.. simply because the story just wont flow without ichigo saving everyone's necks.
But then, i'm not even sure the story would even go on, as Aizen is gone,... well, there was the hint at the spirit king, so thats maybe where the story might head off to.

All this is guessing, obviously, so dont simply disparage this post taking it for a true fact.

[TerraWolf]

In the end when Ichigo collapsed, I'm pretty sure it's from the massive Spiritual Pressures around him. Three Captain class, 2 humans with high SP, a Quincy, and Rukia. Ichigo is probably in shock right now.

[GaZsTiC]

Decent enough chapter for Bleach. Little confused as to why Ichigo was attempting to justify Aizen. I like the reappearance of the Vizards, Even if they didn't really have the impact they should have had. I suppose at the end that was Ichigo losing his Shinigami powers.

Ichigo wasn't justifying Aizen's actions. He was sympathising. Aizen may have gone about it the wrong way, but his actions were, in his eyes, for the good of Soul Society.

Here's my theories on what just happened:

1) Aizen used his bankai to make-pretend a happy situation. It's Kubo - I wouldn't be surprised.
2) Ichigo is becoming full-time hollow since his shinigami powers have gone.
3) Being a human again, he cannot take the amount of spirit pressure.
4) Urahara Kisuke done it. He's the next villain.

[TsukiMirage]

Ichigo wasn't justifying Aizen's actions. He was sympathising. Aizen may have gone about it the wrong way, but his actions were, in his eyes, for the good of Soul Society.

Right, That's they word I was going for. Though I have to say I still don't see where Ichigo is coming from. Nothing about Aizen's actions imply any sort of attempt to help anybody except Aizen himself.

[GaZsTiC]

Right, That's they word I was going for. Though I have to say I still don't see where Ichigo is coming from. Nothing about Aizen's actions imply any sort of attempt to help anybody except Aizen himself.

What he said to Urahara made it sound as if he was planning to take down the Spirit King for the greater good. Ichigo can see where Aizen is coming from because he has been in not-too-dissimilar situations before.

[TsukiMirage]

I suppose I'll need to see what's up with the Spirit King before I can understand it.

[TerraWolf]

I suppose I'll need to see what's up with the Spirit King before I can understand it.

I'm hoping the Spirit King will be the one who give Ichigo his powers back. I'm also hoping that we'll get some back story on Isshin, Aizen, and Urahara possibly being the sons of the Spirit King. I think this because Isshin and Urahara battled together in perfect harmony, and they seemed to be able to dodge a lot of Aizen's attacks, but I'll need to check back on that. This does seem like the most logical theory unless Isshin was the 11th captain or something.