Bleach Manga (many spoilers) discussion

[Crimsonlink]

It doesn't really send that message. What it does is say that the power in the characters is very inconsistent. How could Byakuya not counter his own Bankai? It has now also been implied that Kenpachi is stronger than Byakuya, what with his not having any trouble, then again I didn't expect any different from Kenpachi.

Ok the King has files on the shinigami. Meaning the shingami have their abilities studied and dissected by the Quincy. Also Byakuya just saw a zombie Rukia signifying her death and was cut up as a result of his hesitation. As Nodt did not use Byakuya's Bankai to take him down. He did however use it later to send Byakuya flying into the wall and his apparent death.

Its hard to counter your own Bankai when you are half dead and wildly slashing because of fear.

Captains are dying, I hardly doubt that power levels matter much when the Quincy are talking advantage or their ability to steal Bankai so that the war is one sided.

I do agree with you that Kenpachi is stronger than Byakuya in combat as 11th squad is supposed to be anyways.

[Shadow Lucario]

Ok the King has files on the shinigami. Meaning the shingami have their abilities studied and dissected by the Quincy. Also Byakuya just saw a zombie Rukia signifying her death and was cut up as a result of his hesitation. As Nodt did not use Byakuya's Bankai to take him down. He did however use it later to send Byakuya flying into the wall and his apparent death.

Its hard to counter your own Bankai when you are half dead and wildly slashing because of fear.

Captains are dying, I hardly doubt that power levels matter much when the Quincy are talking advantage or their ability to steal Bankai so that the war is one sided.

I do agree with you that Kenpachi is stronger than Byakuya in combat as 11th squad is supposed to be anyways.

Then how come the Espada weren't as much of a threat? Aizen knew the abilities of all the captains yet they were still taken down with relative ease. This fear that Byakuya supposedly has sure came out of nowhere. Why was he not afraid when he fought Zommari or Tsukishima? Like I said before Byakuya is one of those captains that seemed like he didn't need his Bankai to win. He's the second fastest captain and very proficient with Kido, both of which seemed to vanish in this fight.

[PokeMaster366]

Then how come the Espada weren't as much of a threat? Aizen knew the abilities of all the captains yet they were still taken down with relative ease.

I think Aizen only made the Espada in order to stall for time, split up the captains, and make Ichigo stronger so that he can serve as his personal final exam opponent in order to see if he's ready to take the Soul King's head.

[Crimsonlink]

Then how come the Espada weren't as much of a threat? Aizen knew the abilities of all the captains yet they were still taken down with relative ease. This fear that Byakuya supposedly has sure came out of nowhere. Why was he not afraid when he fought Zommari or Tsukishima? Like I said before Byakuya is one of those captains that seemed like he didn't need his Bankai to win. He's the second fastest captain and very proficient with Kido, both of which seemed to vanish in this fight.

Are you dumb? I'm trying not to be rude but did the Espada have Bankai stealing medallions?

Also what ease are you talking about? The Espada had the Shinigami on the ropes. If not for teamwork they would have all perished excluding some of the weaker ones.

Rukia was pretty much dead from the Aaroniero. It took Byakuya and Kenpachi to kill Yammy. Mayuri planned everything out ahead and won against Szayel by using Ishida and Renji as guinea pigs.

Zommari forced Byakuya to injury himself before the counter was found. Grimmjow defeated Ichigo multiple times until his resolve got better and Orihime believed in him.

Nnorita almost killed Kenpachi and he had to take off his patch along with using Kendo which he doesn't like using.

Ulquiorra KILLED Ichigo and his hollow had to come out to defeat him.

Harribel was nearly killed by Aizen himself when she would have won against Hitsugaya.

Baraggan took an arm off Sui Feng and Hacchi and only lost due to some clever thinking by Hacchi.

Starrk took the combined might of Kyoraku, Ukitake and 2 vizards.

So what is this relative ease you are talking about?

I'm also wondering if you have read the chapter and know about As Nodt's fear ability. Because the fear Byakuya felt certainly did not come out of nowhere.

He is not the 2nd fastest Captain considering Yamamoto, Kyoraku, Sui Feng and Ukitake are/should be faster than him. Sui Feng because that is her best stat and being the successor to Yoruichi. Yama-ji and the other 2 elder captains because they are much more experienced.

As for Kido, Reishi absorption ring a bell?

[Ver-mont]

Why was he not afraid when he fought Zommari or Tsukishima?

He was. He says that in the chapter, there is no fight without fear, it's just that he overcomes it every time.

I'm under the impression that the enemy using his Bankai took him by surprise, he didn't imagine that was possible and therefore didn't have any counter.

[TsukiMirage]

It doesn't really send that message. What it does is say that the power in the characters is very inconsistent. How could Byakuya not counter his own Bankai? It has now also been implied that Kenpachi is stronger than Byakuya, what with his not having any trouble, then again I didn't expect any different from Kenpachi.

Well, wasn't the whole incident with Tsukishima about how Byakuya had to remain in a certain spot or else he would also be sliced by Senbonzakura?

[Ciccone]

I think Aizen only made the Espada in order to stall for time, split up the captains, and make Ichigo stronger so that he can serve as his personal final exam opponent in order to see if he's ready to take the Soul King's head.

That's what I think too. Aizen was just using the Espada to stall for time, which worked in my opinion. They didn't manage to defeat anyone, but they were able to wear out some of the Captains, which made Aizen's job a whole lot easier. That lovable troll.~

[waffle_x_v]

I'm starting to think that the secret swordsmen who cut opie is hiyori. She's strong enough and she does have that destructive nature, she also hate urahara. I hope we finally get confirmation on who it is in the next chapter.

[Ver-mont]

I'm starting to think that the secret swordsmen who cut opie is hiyori. She's strong enough and she does have that destructive nature, she also hate urahara. I hope we finally get confirmation on who it is in the next chapter.

I'm still hoping it's Grimmjow, he's been in limbo for far too long... and I don't like Hiyori anyway.

[M4zz]

Hiyori doesn't have a way of getting to Hueco Mundo, unless Hachi or Tessai were able to open a garganta for her. It makes sense for it to be someone already at Hueco Mundo, which significantly lowers the list of who could have pulled it off. Grimmjow is the most likely suspect. But it could be Nel / Pesche / Dondochakka, despite all three being very unlikely suspects. Hopefully, 503 will finally answer that.

And this just made me sad. I know Byakuya's probably dead, but it's finally starting to sink in.

With that said, who takes over the Kuchiki family? Will Rukia? Or do they fall from grace like the Shiba Clan did when it's last male shinigami member died?

[Ver-mont]

With that said, who takes over the Kuchiki family? Will Rukia? Or do they fall from grace like the Shiba Clan did when it's last male shinigami member died?

Rukia, probably. We don't know what exactly happened for the Shiba Clan to fall from grace (and that's a story I definitely would like to hear).

[TsukiMirage]

Hiyori doesn't have a way of getting to Hueco Mundo, unless Hachi or Tessai were able to open a garganta for her. It makes sense for it to be someone already at Hueco Mundo, which significantly lowers the list of who could have pulled it off. Grimmjow is the most likely suspect. But it could be Nel / Pesche / Dondochakka, despite all three being very unlikely suspects. Hopefully, 503 will finally answer that.

Didn't Hiyori spot an open garganta before Ichigo and friends left? While I doubt it was her, there is an explanation on how she got there.

[Shadow Lucario]

Are you dumb? I'm trying not to be rude but did the Espada have Bankai stealing medallions?

Calling me dumb for having an opinion? Yeah, that's not rude. Not at all. What I said earlier was that it was RETARDED that because Byakuya had his Bankai stolen he lost so easily when he has so many more skills and can utilize his Shikai a lot better than he did in that fight. Yammy was a joke and everyone knows that. Byakuya and Kenpachi started to fight EACH OTHER because he was that weak. Kenpachi said the fight was boring so that point is moot. I'm not going to comment on the others because that would take too long and frankly, I don't care. Bleach is long past it's captivating point and I think it should have ended after the Arrancar arc. Now I'm just waiting for the end and if this is how Kubo wants to do it then I don't care. His manga.

[JD]

I wouldn't say Yammy is a joke.. I mean sure he was pretty stupid but he still did manage to injure both of Kenpachi and Byakuya.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v45/c422/5.html

As for Byakuya not needing Bankai to win I still think As Nodt would have defeated him even with it. He is simply stronger than Byakuya he didn't have any problem hitting Byakuya with his arrows and when he did that pretty much ended the battle. And he didn't even use his Vollstandig if he did Byakuya would have gotten crushed even with his Bankai.

[Ciccone]

I'm starting to think that the secret swordsmen who cut opie is hiyori. She's strong enough and she does have that destructive nature, she also hate urahara. I hope we finally get confirmation on who it is in the next chapter.

Hiyori has no business in Hueco Mundo, though. It would be extremely upsetting if the mystery person was a shinigami; I'm only here for Arrancar like Grimmjow and Starrk.

[Crimsonlink]

Calling me dumb for having an opinion? Yeah, that's not rude. Not at all. What I said earlier was that it was RETARDED that because Byakuya had his Bankai stolen he lost so easily when he has so many more skills and can utilize his Shikai a lot better than he did in that fight. Yammy was a joke and everyone knows that. Byakuya and Kenpachi started to fight EACH OTHER because he was that weak. Kenpachi said the fight was boring so that point is moot. I'm not going to comment on the others because that would take too long and frankly, I don't care. Bleach is long past it's captivating point and I think it should have ended after the Arrancar arc. Now I'm just waiting for the end and if this is how Kubo wants to do it then I don't care. His manga.

I bolded the fear part you posted originally and called you dumb because of that. You can have your opinions all you want, but using false facts to back up opinions is the reason I called you out.

Anyways I'm hopeing that Kenpachi fights the Star Knight next to the King and Yama-ji arrives on the battlefield in a storm of fire.

[Furosuto]

There were better fits then Byakuya, who should have been capable of more given what a well-rounded fighter he is. The lack of speed and Kido was disappointing. Toshiro would have been better, since he's not so well-rounded.

Kubo may be a troll, but he's not insane.

[lolipiece]

Next week, Shonen Jump comes out.

In it, Hitsugaya dies.

Less than three hours later, Kubo finds his house burned down by angry fangirls.

I could totally see it happening.

[waffle_x_v]

^ Kubo better have the balls to do it. Hell I'd send him a gift card if he did lol.

[Furosuto]

I noticed that the largest guy on kenpachi's back has sort of beast like arms. I wonder...... is there any connection to Komamura here? I mean, beast like arms, size, it could be possible......

And yeah, I remember hearing a story about an author who's series was coming to an end, so he killed off the main character. One night when he was driving on the road his car ran out of gas. Another car came along and the woman inside offered to drive him to her house which was nearby to get some gas. However, when the author wasn't looking, the person knocked him out and tied him up at the house, threatening to torture him unless he wrote another book where the main character comes back to life.

With the amount of fans that Toshiro has, I doubt that Kubo would actually kill him off, unless we want another case like this. Heck, with the reaction that Byakuya got, what do you guys think that the reaction would be if he killed off Toshiro instead?