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    If gardy (s) had a good stat of btoh defences then they could be compared to CBTar/Gyara/Hera/Gross/Rhyperior

    but as the ydo not then the opponent just switches into a type that they dont have a good defencive of and raped them. Thats why their speed really lets them down in the sweeping department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musthavename View Post
    EDIT: Haven't seen this in a while, but it might be worth noting how useless Hypnosis + Dream Eater is.
    Don't forget Nightmare as well. I've seen it on some teams myself, and even battled someone on here with those three moves on their Haunter. ._.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Sunday View Post
    If gardy (s) had a good stat of btoh defences then they could be compared to CBTar/Gyara/Hera/Gross/Rhyperior

    but as the ydo not then the opponent just switches into a type that they dont have a good defencive of and raped them. Thats why their speed really lets them down in the sweeping department.
    I would love to know about Rhyperior having good SDef. Hera dies so easily to Aerial Ace, and despite what you may want to believe Metagross cannot take Flamethrowers well. Besides, they get Hypnosis/WoW to make up for it. And the comparison to CBTar/Gyara/Hera/Gross/Rhyperior was in response to "All sweepers need to be fast."
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    Yeah, my point is that those mentioned sweepers may be slow, but both of their defencives are solid. Gallade and Gardeviour have only 65 def, and so are vunerable to physical attacks that come in from faster pokes. Of cource every pokemon is vunerable to moves that are super effective to it. Thats not what im talking about here. The other mentioned pokes can generally take a attack and come back hitting harder. Gardy and gallade wont.
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    gallade has 115 sdef

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    dammit knew i should have checked that. Make it normal defence then. Anyway, my point still stands.
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    Only 4J's and l_k's Gallade are worth using as all-out-attack. I would have mentioned thst in my rant about Gardy/Gallade, but I could not remember the exact moveset, but finally found it

        Spoiler:- lemonade:


    Spoiler tags better be on right, and Musthavename, I agree that saying Psi's wording was a bit flawed, but the point still remains, they are outclassed by other sweepers. Too many things are afraid of Tyranitar and Heracross, and any DD Pokemon like Gyarados can raise their speed. Using support moves to their advantage is what makes them work.

    EDIT: Stupid Spoiler tags, never get them right....

    Which gives them a free switch / set up. At least one advantage of running full speed. Though if your running full speed and so is he I guess he will KO you while you set up. Funny, you get to beat the experts but not the noobs that way....
    Well a Garchomp counter wouldn't be much of a counter if it couldn't take atleast 1 SD hit and Ice beam it afterwards. And if it does SDs, atleast my Chomp counter gets in unharmed.

    EDIT2: This thread is a prime example of people not reading the stickies.

    It also reminded me of another thing that people do but shouldn't. Curse on Ghosts, that particular thread I linked to had Gengar do it, but most people have Dusknoir using Curse. People think it's so good because of the turn by turn damage it does, but it's not. They act as if people are too stupid to switch out of Curse. Once they've cut their HP in half and Cursed the opponent, they will be more than happy to switch out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Sunday View Post
    Yeah, my point is that those mentioned sweepers may be slow, but both of their defencives are solid.
    Explain how 55 is a solid defensive stat. Even with Solid Rock, 4x weaks are killer to Rhyperior. Gardy and Gallade can take a physical ghost move better than Rhyperior can take a Surf/Ice Beam, and usually OHKO back, where Rhyperior has trouble with bulky waters. Metagross has massive trouble with Flamethrowers, Heatran can easily come in on Meteor Mash and OHKO it. In fact, CBGross is screwed if any fire type switches in on Meteor Mash. And Heracross dies to any Aerial Ace/Air Slash/Brave Bird/Roserade Sludge Bomb/a shitload of other stuff. At least Gardy/Gallade can take a few SE hits on the special side and dish out more damage, and WoW/Hypnosis on the switch if they predict a physical switch-in.
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    Soild rock piled up with Sand stream. The point is, a CB set let's it into some physical threats, and it's Stone Edge/EQ/Mega horn is resisted by no one

    WoW/Hypnosis on the switch if they predict a physical switch-in.
    That's the point I wanted to get across to people. Use their awsome support moves.

    So basically all the new things that needs to be adressed are ghost related? Yes I know other things besides ghosts can Hypnosis + Eat dreams, but Gengar is the number one user of that I see. Like Curse Ghosts, Hypnosis + Dream eater/Night mare is easily countered by switching, and with people playing Sleep Clause, you have just wasted an entire moveslot.

    EDIT:
    At least Gardy/Gallade can take a few SE hits on the special side and dish out more damage, and WoW/Hypnosis on the switch if they predict a physical switch-in.
    What a flawed comarison, it's like saying "Atleast Rhypherior can take x4 physical weaknesses better than Gardevoir and Gallade with their x2 weaks!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by kairyu_trainer View Post
    That's the point I wanted to get across to people. Use their awsome support moves.
    I know, I wasn't talking to you. Lord Sunday was telling me that the things he mentioned had solid defensive stats, so I was pointing out how Gallade/Gardevoir are also defensive.

    Quote Originally Posted by kairyu_trainer View Post
    What a flawed comarison, it's like saying "Atleast Rhypherior can take x4 physical weaknesses better than Gardevoir and Gallade with their x2 weaks!"
    That was more in comparison to Heracross, who dies a lot easier than Gardy/Gallade. Even without Aerial Ace, Hera is just as fragile. I can't remember the last time I had trouble KOing Hera, but Gallade/Gardy are hard to take down. The previously mentioned Modest, non-boosted Roserade Sludge Bomb OHKOs it, and most Hera run CB/Scarf. Where Gardy/Gallade can just Wish, keep CMing/Bulking Up, or status and then proceed to do massive damage.
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    Hey, i didnt come up with the pokemon in that example, musthavename did. (lol that sounds like im lying sooo much.)

    Anyway, theres not really much need for me to restate my point. CB/scarf Gallade or Gardy are just asking to be switched in on. I agree, the double status is much better. burn the physical sweepers (your main threat.) And para the specials while they do meagre damage to you. Works a treat.
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    Really, we need Aquasuicune's thread (which someone has already posted here) put up on the first post. Many people randomly put Tyranitar or any instant weather Pokemon not realising that it hinders their team. Unless they are immune, they almost always need leftovers to survive. I'm not saying don't use Tyranitar/Hippo/Abomasnow, I'm saying, when yopu do use them, use them wisely. They are Pokemon you build your team around, not Pokemon you randomly shove in.

    Perfect example of both hail and sand hindering the team at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Sunday View Post
    Hey, i didnt come up with the pokemon in that example, musthavename did. (lol that sounds like im lying sooo much.)

    Anyway, theres not really much need for me to restate my point. CB/scarf Gallade or Gardy are just asking to be switched in on. I agree, the double status is much better. burn the physical sweepers (your main threat.) And para the specials while they do meagre damage to you. Works a treat.
    Oh, I thought it was you. Well, you posted about how they had the defenses.

    Let's compromise, shall we? I use bulky Gallade with Close Combat/Night Slash/Psycho Cut/TWave, because I have enough status and I needed a physical sweeper (Blissey kept ruining me) with good SDef (didn't really have a special wall, just LS Draggy). It works just fine for me. But double powder can work too.
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    Milotic is awesome. Just give it a lots of special-ups and make it hold leftovers try this attacks: -
    Surf/hydrocannon, Icebeam,dive,toxic.
    Use toxic, if you dont know toxic does 1.5 times the damage it did previously that why it is said "badly poisoned". then use dive and keep using dive. You would recover while the opponent is poisoned

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    It's impossible to get a Dive Milotic in D/P without hacking.

    Any good battler wouldn't just sit there and take damage, they'd switch to a counter and you'd be stuck underwater giving them a free switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamil View Post
    Milotic is awesome. Just give it a lots of special-ups and make it hold leftovers try this attacks: -
    Surf/hydrocannon, Icebeam,dive,toxic.
    Use toxic, if you dont know toxic does 1.5 times the damage it did previously that why it is said "badly poisoned". then use dive and keep using dive. You would recover while the opponent is poisoned
    A good example of the people we are trying to help here.
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    That post made me die a little inside.
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    Oh man, that is so close to quote worthy!
    should i put it in my sig? hmm. I must think about this for a while longer....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamil View Post
    Milotic is awesome. Just give it a lots of special-ups and make it hold leftovers try this attacks: -
    Surf/hydrocannon, Icebeam,dive,toxic.
    Use toxic, if you dont know toxic does 1.5 times the damage it did previously that why it is said "badly poisoned". then use dive and keep using dive. You would recover while the opponent is poisoned
    One problem, the opponent will switch into tarmie with Thunderbolt, and by by Milotic, than he switches into blissey or Miltank and bey bey badly poison.

    Or he uses snorlax to curse up, rest, and sweep your team.

    Really, this thing is easy to kill and the poison damge resets when you switch so while this thing is diving or rechraging the opponent will get a free switch to set up or kill.

    This strategy is really bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamil View Post
    Milotic is awesome. Just give it a lots of special-ups and make it hold leftovers try this attacks: -
    Surf/hydrocannon, Icebeam,dive,toxic.
    Shuckle can do this better. Getting owned when trying to Toxic stall with a gay moveset, l mean.
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    That post shouldn't of even been acknowledged.

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    Milotic can't even learn Hydro Cannon.

    Oh and this next thing I am going to mention isn't what people think are good but aren't, it's what people think are bad but in reality is good.

    Defensive Brelooms. People just think that because of it's bad defenses it cannot be a Tyranitar counter, well it can. It has the resistances to back it up. Often, these people who say these things talk without running things through a damage calculator first. Anyone want to pull out Fighting_Master's thread and show us all the SPAM from people talking about things they really aren't sure of?

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    man that thread was a laugh. Too bad hes banned now. Anyway, he was heading that way all along. I really dont think having a defencive breloom simply for the purpose of countering tyranitar is any good.
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    Bulky Heracross/Tyranitar/Metagross/Dragonite can be good. People really underestimate Light Screen/Roost Draggy's potential. They also underestimate CBJask, which is amazing as a finisher and deals more damage than you would think. You should also put something in the first post like "For the love of god if you're going to use Shedinja use it with a spinner and weather changer."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Sunday View Post
    Oh man, that is so close to quote worthy!
    should i put it in my sig? hmm. I must think about this for a while longer....
    You should, and if you don't, I will.

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    this thread will not help im afraid.

    this forum is beyond help.

    its like a drowning cheerleader idiot, you know it would be right to try and help her, but you know it has no point because shell go back and idiot things up.

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