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    I've never been on Smogon's forum, and I do love their competitive aspect, they've helped me create some good competitive teams, but I've heard that their forum is unfriendly, and they only like you if you're well known or a mod. I don't know if it's true, because I've never been on the forum, but I guess that could be an argument, that they're really unfriendly?

    and Cookiesandberries, are you certain you're not a troll?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiesandberries View Post
    ^^^ is a bad player who thinks Articuno is overpowered.
    I have used Articuno and while it is not the best ever, it is quite a good wall with the right support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlakazamAffinity View Post
    As someone who used to visit smogon, I can safely say that people like you give smogon a bad rep.

    Also, you must have a low IQ yourself if you think that Pokemon playing ability can indicate someone's IQ.
    If you get beaten on ANY game when you have a massive stat advantage It does indicate you have low IQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillieNelson View Post
    I have used Articuno and while it is not the best ever, it is quite a good wall with the right support against bads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiesandberries View Post
    Fixed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Say what you will, but I have forced many DC's on Smogon OU with Articuno.

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    Or maybe you don't know how to play the game.

    Not knowing how to play=/=low IQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Xtreme View Post
    I've never been on Smogon's forum, and I do love their competitive aspect, they've helped me create some good competitive teams, but I've heard that their forum is unfriendly, and they only like you if you're well known or a mod. I don't know if it's true, because I've never been on the forum, but I guess that could be an argument, that they're really unfriendly?

    and Cookiesandberries, are you certain you're not a troll?
    I am not a troll I'm just saying what I feel, I'm not going to be hesitant to tell someone they are bad for using a NU pokemon just because it hurts their feelings. I don't usually post on smogon but no they do not hate if you aren't well know/a mod. That's just a myth people who hate smogon came up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TVGuru View Post
    I don't really have a major thing against Smogon, but my interactions with some users have rubbed me the wrong way. These were probably just the extremists on that site but it sure pissed me off to the point that I left in 2 days after creating an account. The only posts I got on my thread were from people who liked to be snobby minimods. They all had a condenscending view on a Serebii user like me, thinking we all had hacks, liked to make "me too" posts on my thread like I couldn't read the ones above, and screamed hacks without offering proof, disobeyed my rules, etc.

    I'm not saying that thats the majority, but that minority sure does know how to run off the new guy.
    This. I've actually visited Smogon many a time and I personally have no problems with the site but alot of the users I've seen are very harsh and snobbish. It gives the site a bed rep. Serebii and Smogon users probably clash because of the extreme differences in how they view Pokemon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Xtreme View Post
    I've never been on Smogon's forum, and I do love their competitive aspect, they've helped me create some good competitive teams, but I've heard that their forum is unfriendly, and they only like you if you're well known or a mod. I don't know if it's true, because I've never been on the forum, but I guess that could be an argument, that they're really unfriendly?

    and Cookiesandberries, are you certain you're not a troll?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiesandberries View Post
    I clearly said that just because you are not competitive It doesn't excuse that you are bad. people use the "I'm not competitive!" excuse like it holds merit when they are bad.

    If people aren't competitive, then it's a perfect excuse for being bad. They don't care about how they perform in competitive play. So yes, they probably will be bad when going against an experienced competitive player. It's their choice if they want to invest the time in becoming a better competitive player or if they'd prefer to spend their time doing something else. But that doesn't make them an overall bad player. It just means that they're bad in competitive play, which is one small aspect of the pokemon games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillieNelson View Post
    Say what you will, but I have forced many DC's on Smogon OU with Articuno.
    Than they are bad, posting on smogon doesn't indicate skill level. Just like being asian doesn't automatically mean you get straight As.

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    Wonder how long till this thread becomes a serebii VS. smogon thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flameswy View Post
    Wonder how long till this thread becomes a serebii VS. smogon thread.

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    Hopefully never ._. There's nothing wrong with either site and everyone's entitled to their opinion. No matter what anyone says, there's always gonna be some reason why people don't like serebii and some people don't like smogon. End of story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zozo View Post
    If people aren't competitive, then it's a perfect excuse for being bad. They don't care about how they perform in competitive play. So yes, they probably will be bad when going against an experienced competitive player. It's their choice if they want to invest the time in becoming a better competitive player or if they'd prefer to spend their time doing something else. But that doesn't make them an overall bad player. It just means that they're bad in competitive play, which is one small aspect of the pokemon games.
    Oh really?
    I'm a casual player in wow yet I am highly rated in arena. Very few people in wow get high rated including hardcore and competitive players. Like I said, the "I'm not competitive" excuse is just that, an excuse for players to justify how bad they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiesandberries View Post
    I am not a troll I'm just saying what I feel, I'm not going to be hesitant to tell someone they are bad for using a NU pokemon just because it hurts their feelings. I don't usually post on smogon but no they do not hate if you aren't well know/a mod. That's just a myth people who hate smogon came up with.
    Alright, well it just seems like going around "making your opinion known" is a bit rude the way you're doing it. Using NU Pokemon doesn't make you a bad player, I've beaten people using Magmortar/Ninetails on my team in 4th generation. Just try to remember, stats and abilities aren't the only thing that make up tiers, it also comes down to which Pokemon is actually used the most.

    Hmm, well actually someone ON Smogon told me that. So I don't think so, I refuse to make an opinion without actually knowing, but they said that if anyone were to register there and they weren't well known game/technical people, they'd likely not be liked there. Even if they weren't hated, they'd never be liked.

    Oh and remember, competitive =/= Pokemon. They're two different things as far as I'm concerned. When I use my favorite Pokemon in competitive, I NEVER use Pokemon that I catch in game, I use my RNGed/EV'd Pokemon. Smogon focuses more on competitive battling and not Pokemon as a whole, so it's not exactly ok to bash people because they use Pokemon they like in game online for a quick fun match. After all, the main reason we're even playing a kids game is for fun, isn't it? I doubt we're playing a game aimed at younger children simply for strategy, we might as well just play chess right?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiesandberries View Post
    Than they are bad, posting on smogon doesn't indicate skill level. Just like being asian doesn't automatically mean you get straight As.
    I meant on the PO server, with people who had quite a high ladder rank, so they are not bad, face it, teirs indicate how much people use them, not how good they are, I've swept with Swoobat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiesandberries View Post
    If a charizard beats dragonite it's because the person with dragonite got outplayed, I've beaten ubers with magikarps, doesn't change the fact magikarp is a useless pokemon.
    that may have been half of my original point, trying to show how much better you are than the opposing player (maybe i should word things better)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiesandberries View Post
    Oh really?
    I'm a casual player in wow yet I am highly rated in arena. Very few people in wow get high rated including hardcore and competitive players. Like I said, the "I'm not competitive" excuse is just that, an excuse for players to justify how bad they are.
    Pokemon is not WoW, thank goodness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiesandberries View Post
    If you get beaten on ANY game when you have a massive stat advantage It does indicate you have low IQ.
    As do your responses in this thread.

    People play the game how they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiesandberries View Post
    Oh really?
    I'm a casual player in wow yet I am highly rated in arena. Very few people in wow get high rated including hardcore and competitive players. Like I said, the "I'm not competitive" excuse is just that, an excuse for players to justify how bad they are.

    Well, I don't play WoW so I really don't understand the reference. Sorry.

    But the impression I get is that you're trying to show me how great you are at WoW without really trying.

    If I've got that right, then all I can say is this: not everyone finds games easy, or can win without putting in a lot of effort. If you can do it, kudos to you. Not everyone can, so the general rule of thumb is casual players do not do as well as competitive players in the competitive arena. So yes, it really is a great, valid reason for being "bad," competitively speaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A d v e n t™ View Post
    Bisharp/Absol can wreck a Mewtwo with Sucker Punch.
    Steelix can (almost) entirely wall Zekrom.
    Scizor/Conkeldurr can annihilate Kyurem with Bullet Punch/Mach Punch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiesandberries View Post
    Oh really?
    I'm a casual player in wow yet I am highly rated in arena. Very few people in wow get high rated including hardcore and competitive players. Like I said, the "I'm not competitive" excuse is just that, an excuse for players to justify how bad they are.
    Okay first of all we're talking about Pokemon. Not WoW. I'm sure there's lots of threads where you can talk about WoW. And second it's. not. an. excuse. Some people genuinely do not care about stats and moves and who's the best. That doesn't make them bad at the game or there would be alot of people who haven't beaten the game. Whether people want to play Pokemon competitively or not is entirely an opinion based decision. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColorsofTheRainbow View Post
    Okay first of all we're talking about Pokemon. Not WoW. I'm sure there's lots of threads where you can talk about WoW. And second it's. not. an. excuse. Some people genuinely do not care about stats and moves and who's the best. That doesn't make them bad at the game or there would be alot of people who haven't beaten the game. Whether people want to play Pokemon competitively or not is entirely an opinion based decision. Nothing more. Nothing less.
    I used the wow example to show that being casual doesn't excuse being bad.
    The skillcap for pokemon outside of battling other people is very low so it is quite possible to beat the game and still be bad. Most do not even know about effort values or the affect of natures.

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    Lapras? Flareon? Articuno?! Please tell me you were joking.
    I personally love the challenge of setting up moves to keep my favorite Pokemon alive and able to cut down Ubers!
    I love my Abomasnow & Frosslass combo, many will say both are 'bad' but they're amongst my favorites and it's always fun using you're favorites.. no?
    I also use Lapras in my Ice team so I'm a bit annoyed 'cause it takes down Ubers 1 v 1!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Xtreme View Post
    Alright, well it just seems like going around "making your opinion known" is a bit rude the way you're doing it. Using NU Pokemon doesn't make you a bad player, I've beaten people using Magmortar/Ninetails on my team in 4th generation. Just try to remember, stats and abilities aren't the only thing that make up tiers, it also comes down to which Pokemon is actually used the most.

    Hmm, well actually someone ON Smogon told me that. So I don't think so, I refuse to make an opinion without actually knowing, but they said that if anyone were to register there and they weren't well known game/technical people, they'd likely not be liked there. Even if they weren't hated, they'd never be liked.

    Oh and remember, competitive =/= Pokemon. They're two different things as far as I'm concerned. When I use my favorite Pokemon in competitive, I NEVER use Pokemon that I catch in game, I use my RNGed/EV'd Pokemon. Smogon focuses more on competitive battling and not Pokemon as a whole, so it's not exactly ok to bash people because they use Pokemon they like in game online for a quick fun match. After all, the main reason we're even playing a kids game is for fun, isn't it? I doubt we're playing a game aimed at younger children simply for strategy, we might as well just play chess right?
    You beat people using Magmortar/Ninetails because they are bad. I've beaten ubers with baby pokemon, 99% of the time the person I was playing against was a bad.

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