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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtlugia View Post
    the devil led a gang of renegade angels against god and giratina could have done that to arceus. I have no idea why im fighting for someone elses opinion, i just like showing off my legend and myth knowlage. I also have an opinion that palkia and dialga could be based on adam and eve except they're both genderless. possible?
    Ugh, for god's sake, NO, NO, NO, NO and NO. Do you people not get this? Nintendo WOULD NOT have been stupid enough to include this sort of metaphoric back story in their work, much less admit to it! Enough already!



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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtlugia View Post
    let me rephrase that. the devil led a gang of renegade angels against god and giratina could have done that to arceus. I have no idea why im fighting for someone elses opinion, i just like showing off my legend and myth knowlage. I also have an opinion that palkia and dialga could be based on adam and eve except they're both genderless. possible?
    Good sir, please keep your religions out of my pokemans. Seriously. Pokémon is not referencing the bible. Get over it.
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    The whole "antagonist to the creator" is not exclusive to Christianity. Lots of belief systems and mythology have an entity that is the creators enemy
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    yah keep religion out of pokemon

    666 hmm? that reminds me of 06/06/06 when some people thought the devil was coming to destroy us all

    oh and sbout the japanese 666 thing, 666 in japan doesn't mean the devil, i think i read once it was 444
    i checked a game and at 4:44 the Tv in the game doesn't work
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    Ooooooooooooooh Creepy!
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    I always assumed it was based off (vaguely) a bug.

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    Uggh. I can't believe you guys are still discussing this topic.
    Why would you take the time to notice something so trivial?
    Giratina may or may not be a so called "devil", no body is going to come up with a definite agreeable answer,
    so, not to be rude, but you might as well get on with your lives.


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    haha I never noticed this. I doubt it was done intentionally, but you never know, there are all sorts of messages in Pokemon.

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    Ok, Ive managed to get myself embarrassed onto 3 people's sigs. After reading these posts now I believe it is a total, yet creepy, coincedence.

    Mods can close this thread...

    Somebody can recreate it at another time...

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    It's a conicindence, dude. Why would nintendo hide that in a kids game? I am not too certin about it, though...
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    The final word:
    The most we can say about Giratina (reagardless of the 666 thing) is that Giratina is the dark being that rebelled against Arceus because thats the way things are. He may or may not be Satan, we just know that he is evil (unlike Darkrai) and has no utter possibility to be a benevolent being.

    So you people can keep saying how Giratina is Satanic (but there weren't many to begin with). We may as wellknow the truth later on in the next movie. Until then, Giratina is not Satan and Arceus is not God.

    I actually say that Arceus is the Big Bang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henri_chung View Post
    yah keep religion out of pokemon

    666 hmm? that reminds me of 06/06/06 when some people thought the devil was coming to destroy us all

    oh and sbout the japanese 666 thing, 666 in japan doesn't mean the devil, i think i read once it was 444
    i checked a game and at 4:44 the Tv in the game doesn't work
    Yes the number 4 is believed to be very unlucky in Japan. What was the 666 reference in digimon some of you were talking about? It might not be coincidence you know. You keep saying they wouldn't put it in a kids game but in Japan the kids are aloud to see much more violence and swearing than us. Probably is a coincidence but just bear that in mind. Also, whats the purpose of making this thread and then asking someone to close it....bit silly if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DieChavsDie View Post
    Uh, isnt is "Time Space and Matter".

    The Matter would reffer to the alternate dimensions created by Giratina, and (Now we have seen Origin form) travelled between by Giratina.

    I dont think Giratina is related to death at all. His typing as a ghost is purely because he can travel between these dimensions, something other people and pokemon cant do.

    Giratina has nothing to do with the devil. If anything, the most "satanic" of all legendaries would be Darkrai, and that is the Nightmare pokemon.

    Until we get a Dark/Fire Goat Legendary, WE DO NOT HAVE A SATAN POKEMON

    That's kinda what I think too, but it still is kind of cool with the "666" thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by goldeneye101 View Post
    Ok, Ive managed to get myself embarrassed onto 3 people's sigs. After reading these posts now I believe it is a total, yet creepy, coincedence.

    Mods can close this thread...

    Somebody can recreate it at another time...

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    Iron Maiden, that was what I was thinking when I read the first post. Wonder why
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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtlugia View Post
    let me rephrase that. the devil led a gang of renegade angels against god and giratina could have done that to arceus. I have no idea why im fighting for someone elses opinion, i just like showing off my legend and myth knowlage. I also have an opinion that palkia and dialga could be based on adam and eve except they're both genderless. possible?
    And then giratina would becoem the talking snake with legs pokemon? Well, I can see how that would work (apart perhaps from the talking bit), but I don't think every single creation myth will follow the same plot as the Judeo-Christian one.

    I personally think of Giratina as a more hades like figure, like a god of death, or god of the dead (extra dimension=greek underworld that I can't remember the name of), than an evil god. The two are not synonomous, though they have been intertwined by certain religions in the west.
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    As a demonologist (For those of you who don't know, it's a branch of theology) I know and see the reactions of religious groups when they see some sort of controversial bit of anything. Censorship nowadays is at an all-time high. It's a bit depressing for most of us, really. As a Pokemon fan, and a part of the more adult audience (With the games at least) I do like to see some connections with myths, and demons in my shows. I don't think that the animators should add in all of these demonic references in kids shows, like Digimon did in it's first and second season, but it keeps the more mature audience entertained. When I say "mature" I mean mentally mature. Some kids shouldn't know what "666" really means.

    You've all also got to consider that they can't edit every little reference in the English version. There's no way that's going to fly. Remember, in Japan no one really cares about all of these references (For the most part)


    But yeah. XD I actually think it's kind of cool that they put that in as a bit of a hint. They made Giratina look awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebil joey View Post
    lol 666!! i did hear some where that Arceus is the god of pokemon and that Giratina is the devil of pokemon.
    Personaly I beleive that Mewtwo is the devil of Pokemon. Sorta makes sense because Arceues=God Mew=Jesus Mewtwo=Devil
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    Mew=Jesus? WTF...

    When the devil's number "666" was found, it had been mis-translated, the devil's number is really "616".

    I ain't kiddin', so all this talk about Giratina being Satan is flawed.
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    But the Satan that most people know is based off 666. Most of us wouldn't associate 616 with the Devil.



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    One of my teachers told me that they found out that the devil's number is 777 but it was already universally known that the devil's number is 666 so they didn't want to change the whole thing. So, in my opinion, that's just fake. 666 doesn't mean anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gweedo View Post
    One of my teachers told me that they found out that the devil's number is 777 but it was already universally known that the devil's number is 666 so they didn't want to change the whole thing. So, in my opinion, that's just fake. 666 doesn't mean anything.
    And what if your teacher is the one who has no clue what he/she is talking about instead? Ever consider that? Eh? Eh? Is your mind BLOWN? Yeah.



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    Wow, has this thread degraded into conspiracy...

    I guess I find the idea that any Pokemon at all is satanic laughable. Giratina's lore claims it as the Pokemon of a reverse dimension. Hasn't anyone ever watched the Twilight Zone? That doesn't mean satan, it just means opposite.

    Oh, and Arceus is not God.

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    Ronald Reagan has six letters in his first middle and last name. ....

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    ...People, people, please.

    Giratina isn't exactly sinister, really.

    Dialga made Time.

    Palkia made Space

    Giratina made Alternate Dimensions.

    After that, let's see...

    Palkia/Dialga almost destroyed the world as we know it due to some random n00bs with weird suits and haircuts work...

    And Giratina sits in a cave near a lake, until he gets caught by a random trainer and traded for a shiny Bibarel over the GTS. Ooh. Scary.

    What's all this talk about Palkia and Dialga being angels or whatever?

    They're a frickin' dragon trio who shaped physics and stuff.

    And does Giratina really deserve this talk of him being Satan? I mean, he's a ghost/dragon who's species name ends with Tina. Tina. Do we really need to slander this poor, poor specimen of a dragon?

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    Giratina didn't create alternate dimensions. He created and rules over the 'dimension of death'. The lake outside Turnback Cave in Japanese translates to the Funeral Spring Path but I forgot what Turnback Cave translates in to in Japanese but I remember it being 'deathly'.

    But that doesn't mean its satanic. He's just the Arceus rebel.



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    A rebel ending with Tina? Hmm.... However, I do think the whole 666 may have to do with the fact of the dimension of death.

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