Standard Battle Rules - Learn them

[super groudon]

hax items are anything that isn't 100% certain that the effect will occur.

so leave them on there.

berries that boost stats when HP is down are ok.

[Volteon]

I have to agree with above poster.
Surf wasn't made to have Leaf Blade's Critical Hit chance just like Shadow Ball wasn't made to miss or High Jump Kick wasn't made to flinch.

I've PMed SkittyOnWailord to sticky this thread. I hope he comes online soon. He's not on since december 3rd. Well, I don't wanna bother mods a lot, but if he doesn't comes, I'll PM another mod/admin.

[aipomkong]

Self KO is a standard clause while Hax Items clausing isn't standard.

Hax Items aren't actually banned, they are perfectly fine, even on competiitve simulators like NetBattle / Shoddy. It's just that they are frowned upon for forcing more luck then is originally in the game.

Evasion clauses isn't standard either, but no-one half decent / self respecting would bother with evasion.

[phantom1113]

this helps alot thanks volteon, planning on having my first wifi battle this afternoon so ty again

[Bert]

It should be noted that items such as Scope Lens are eprfectly fine on a pokémon that takes extra advantage of it, such as Absol with super luck.

[The Shadow Trainer]

And Scope Lens and Sniper, it that ok too then?

Btw, i met a person on Wifi who wanted to battle with Confusion Clause, no moves that can cause confusion like Supersonic, Confuse Ray, Confusion etc., maybe you can add that.

[Volteon]

Hax items and Evasion are standard, not everyone respects other people. Have you ever faced someone with Dusknoir using Double team? AAce (The only used 100% hit move that hurts it) barely scratches it and Pressure consumes a lot of PP. Well, I did face one, in my second Wi-Fi battle... bad past.

And I'll make a separate note about Scope Lens since it seems that's the only accepted Hax item.

Confusion Clause is interesting, I'm adding in the non standard. I think it also blocks DynamichPunch No Guard Machamp.

[The Shadow Trainer]

Nah, i faced a Double Team Garchomp in Sandstorm. Thát one is really deadly!

[DrunkenSniper]

Confusion clause? That'd ruin Lanturn. ;_;

Seriously, you can just switch out of confusion anyway. >_>

But I see what you mean though, with the 50% chance and all.

[PokeProMaster]

Confusion clause , no way should that be added.... you cant possible stop moves like dynmaic punch or confusion and they are RARELY used anyway...

[Volteon]

Added Confusion and the note about Scope Lens.
also bumping trying to keep it in the first page for some mod read it ...

[SkittyOnWailord]

Two things I would like to point out about the clauses.

1) Evasion Clause only applies to moves like Double Team that raise your evasion. Sand Attack and other moves that make the opponents evasion decrese are still ok.

2) Self KO - NOT STANDARD should also have Perish Song listed.

[Volteon]

Oh yeah, Perish Song, thanks! and I don't know what I thought about adding Sand Attack and the like in Evasion clause >_> Thanks for pointing

[unown?]

if focus band is a hax item, why is focus sash not included? they basically do the same thing...

[Volteon]

Focus Sash doesn't rely in luck to activate. It just activates if user has full HP, any Spike damage you get, you have an wasted item, and when it's activated, you lose the item.
Focus Band in the other hand relies in luck to activate and can activate even if you have 1 HP, multiple times.

[thekoalaz]

This should seriously go up as a sticky~

[spawngod316]

In the ways of items, quick claw should clearly be on the Hax item list! 20% chance that the slower pokemon will go first, and that can immensely swing a fight.

[Volteon]

Humm Quick Claw was already listed =P
Quick Claw is one of the cheapest items btw...

Well, just reposting for someone to see the thread and fortunately sticky it...
If it doesn't deserve be stickied, then I need a reason ;D
Seems many people don't understand the rules...

[spawngod316]

I vote for stickied! Only because I faced someone with a quick claw Monday, and i wasn't very happy, because my Tauros (that had a substitute out) SHOULD have defeated his Medichamp, but of course, it went the other way around!

[Brettt]

Excuse me if this has already been discussed, but what is the use of banning hax items? Aren't they as much of a strategy as a freezing after ice beam, or, a paralysis after Tbolt? I mean, all those rely on luck, I would think a strategy completely dependent on luck falls to a strategy that is without luck items.

Sorry again if this has already been asked, I was too lazy to read through previous posts.