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    overt examples are often dismissed as "well that's just one extreme example!"- i think it should be pointed out how racism permeates even casual metal culture.

    i enjoy a fair share of bands with racist views (grand belial's key are amazing) and it's true that passion makes music better regardless of what they're passionate about but i hate the idea of "free speech" allowing people to be ignorant arseholes to other people in the scene. i will not stop you from believing it but if you walk around in a shirt with a swastika backprint and call out minorities for enjoying the music you better not use the "free speech" bull to get out of being a waste of oxygen. this kind of passive, "as long as i don't see it" dismissing of the racism that's prevalent in the scene is what allows it to thrive.

    at risk of coming across as an "internet tough guy", if you see a guy in a swastika shirt, tell him to **** off. get in his face about it. apathy is the breeding ground for toxic ideals and i hate that.

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    I think racism permeates everything. I don't know where you're from but I'm from the county of Lancashire in England. I reckon if you went in 9 out of 10 pubs, you'd find a racist without much trouble. We even once walked out of a pub quiz once because the compere was making jokes about n*****s and comparing them to dogs.

    At the risk of derailing this into a philosophy thread, what makes your world view any more right than hypothetical-swastika-guy's ideals? I don't believe there is an objective right and wrong beyond human beings. It's all subjective and based on society.

    Lets say it was the other way round, and the racist world view was the norm, you wouldn't like people getting all uppity and in your face if you were promoting peace and equality would you? As longs as he isn't causing any physical harm and is simply displaying a political idea/ideology via a symbol, they fair play to him. I don't believe it's right to police people's thoughts and political views.

    It's like that old joke that the far left are so left wing, they've gone round the back and come out on the other side on the right in the way they want to police the thoughts and restrict the right wing.

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    just to make this post a bit more relevant to the thread, one of my favourite osdm acts:



    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerheart View Post
    I think racism permeates everything. I don't know where you're from but I'm from the county of Lancashire in England. I reckon if you went in 9 out of 10 pubs, you'd find a racist without much trouble. We even once walked out of a pub quiz once because the compere was making jokes about n*****s and comparing them to dogs.
    agreed.
    At the risk of derailing this into a philosophy thread, what makes your world view any more right than hypothetical-swastika-guy's ideals? I don't believe there is an objective right and wrong beyond human beings. It's all subjective and based on society.
    my world view is not based on exclusion, hatred, segregation, and discrimination which is based largely on (in the metal community) a group of Tolkien nerds getting given a guitar, a copy of Mein Kampf and some barbells so they think they're tough skin heads now. i don't see how it's subjective to say that peace in a group is better than people excluding others.
    Lets say it was the other way round, and the racist world view was the norm, you wouldn't like people getting all uppity and in your face if you were promoting peace and equality would you? As longs as he isn't causing any physical harm and is simply displaying a political idea/ideology via a symbol, they fair play to him. I don't believe it's right to police people's thoughts and political views.

    It's like that old joke that the far left are so left wing, they've gone round the back and come out on the other side on the right in the way they want to police the thoughts and restrict the right wing.
    "restrict/police the thoughts." no. the only way i could be restricting/policing/censoring/whatever is if i held a position of power and made it illegal to wear racist symbols. what i'm doing is not policing anyone, if they have a right to share their opinion that they think entire groups of people are scum then by that same token i have the right to say they are scum. what's the difference?

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    I'm not really going to continue the discussion of racism in metal, since I probably wouldn't be able to contribute much other than "that's ****ed up but i have known forever"

    I'm not entirely sure how relevant it is to the metal discussion, but I finally did get around to listening to Riverside's Shrine of New Generation Slaves.


    It's, honestly, a very good album. It's nothing terribly original or anything like that, but I just generally enjoy it.
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