Chim-Charred! (549)

[OrangeJumpsuit1]

After having just looked at the episode pictures of the latest RAW episode (Scorching Chimchar) I´m quite nervous now.
Paul, or better his Pokemon are much much too strong for Ash to compete with. No comment about Gligar (I´ve still been regretting till this day that he caught it...) and Chimchar only won by coincidence (his behavior was singular and it surely won´t be able to repeat it again later! Do not forget this!)
So without Chimchar´s outrage we would have had to bear another defeat of Ash against Paul: 0-2 !!

You will probably object:
"He's the hero. Paul's the rival. The hero always beats the rival."
but
How in the world will the writers create a plausible plot in which Ash has a really fair(!) chance to defeat Paul (as everyone assumes that this will be the case later on)
With this obvious differences between Ash and Paul, I see no logical reason why Ash should win someday ! Moreover, any other plot deviating from this fact by, for example, suddenly giving Ash´s Pokemon supernatural power throughout the Shinnoh League in order to beat Paul would be shoody, cheap storywriting, which just can´t be true after all this wonderful D/P episodes so far.


Edit: And, yes, I also share the opinion that Chimchar should have envolved at last! Primarly, not because I´m keen on seeing evolutions but because I´m extremly afraid of having to experience another Johto League and because Ash HAS tominimize this worrying distance between Paul and him! Please, writers, have mercy!

Look, if Chimchar didn't have his uncontrollable blaze on Ash would of been 0-2. The match ups favored Paul. Paul used an evolved form of Gliscor against Ash (big surprise) and Ursaring against a Chimchar. I agree with you that Paul's pokemon seem to be a higher level than Ash's. We will see about that at the end though. Both of Paul's pokemon are fully evolved while Ash's should evolve at least once. At the end you will see at the very least Ash's Staravia turn into a Staraptor and Buziel into a Floatzel as well. This team will be the strongest team Ash will have going into the championships.

[uber gon]

Look, if Chimchar didn't have his uncontrollable blaze on Ash would of been 0-2. The match ups favored Paul. Paul used an evolved form of Gliscor against Ash (big surprise) and Ursaring against a Chimchar. I agree with you that Paul's pokemon seem to be a higher level than Ash's. We will see about that at the end though. Both of Paul's pokemon are fully evolved while Ash's should evolve at least once. At the end you will see at the very least Ash's Staravia turn into a Staraptor and Buziel into a Floatzel as well. This team will be the strongest team Ash will have going into the championships.

Plus there is the chance that Ash could use his reserves against Paul during the league that have strength AND experience on their side.

[Geodude]

But now that I think about it Ash's Sinnoh Team deserves to show Paul what they are made of.

Exactly. If Ash beat Paul with his older Pokemon, like some people here seem to want, it would prove exactly nothing. Right now, Paul thinks Ash's Sinnoh Pokemon are weak and useless. If Ash beat him with his other Pokemon, Paul would still think Ash's Sinnoh Pokemon are weak and useless, and he would think Ash was stupid for not using his other Pokemon in Sinnoh. So there's no reason for Ash to do that.

[ash_forever]

Uh, so the long-running theme of "gaining strength through training together and maintaining a healthy relationship with your Pokemon" is shoddy, cheap writing for Pokemon? I... don't really think so. Hell, we still have more than half the damn Shinou league to go. It's way too early to say that it's implausible for Satoshi to best Shinji in a realistic manner.

Interestingly, we've seen Satoshi train far more this saga than can ever remember seeing in the past. Which, to me, shows that they're planning on having his Pokemon grow at a slower rate but to an overall higher level. It's not 'bad writing'. 'Bad writing' would be Satoshi suddenly winning against Shinji despite the fact that they're both high-level trainers and Shinji has an arguably more powerful team at the moment. That'll change though, so chill. Have a little faith.

That´s the crux!
No one may assume that things WILL actually change in a plausible way...
And that´s what I´m seriously worried about.

I hope, I HOPE you´re right

[TeddiUrsa]

That´s the crux!
No one may assume that things WILL actually change in a plausible way...
And that´s what I´m seriously worried about.

I hope, I HOPE you´re right

The thing is...this is Pokémon. Many,many, MANY battles are won by crazy stunts which aren´t very logical and are just written like that so that Ash/May/Dawn can win.

Look at Ash´s battle with regice. The was fully healed due to rest and pikachu knocked it out with ONE volttackle? You didn´t have a problem with that back then. Even IF Ash will win against Shinji in such a cheap way, what would be different?

By the way, Ash still has only 3 badges, the region isn´t even half over and you are acting like Ash´s Pokemon won´t have any development from now on at all.

You have to realise how the anime works. it has been TEN years, how difficult can it be?

[ash_forever]

Look at Ash´s battle with regice. The was fully healed due to rest and pikachu knocked it out with ONE volttackle? You didn´t have a problem with that back then. Even IF Ash will win against Shinji in such a cheap way, what would be different?

Objection! By no means you can compare DP with any other previous saga!
Although I have loved Pokemon from its beginning on, DP again exceeds everything precendent because of its improvements in maturity and story-writing
So it simply must be excluded that the aforementioned scenario could happened!
Let´s hope the very best!

[TeddiUrsa]

Objection! By no means you can compare DP with any other previous saga!
Although I have loved Pokemon from its beginning on, DP again exceeds everything precendent because of its improvements in maturity and story-writing
So it simply must be excluded that the aforementioned scenario could happened!
Let´s hope the very best!

If you love Pokémon so much, stop doubting and try being rational about the anime and its history. sure, dp´s storytelling is better than ever and the writers seem to have a much better plan for the whole saga ( I still think the league will be rushed like always no matter what) but it isn´t that different from the old formula.

When the fire monkey ( of any stage, I don´t want to hope for infernape, but it could happen) will beat Shinji´s team in the end in the league you will be please, I am sure of that.


That being said...I don´t like monkey. any of them, especially primates, but chimchar sneaks into my heart with its little burning bum....it is frightening...^^

[Ancax]

Well, it WAS a coincedence that Chimchar beat Ursaring, but Brock DID mention (in the raw version) that it was Blaze, (Mozu) so at least it used it's innate ability to beat it, and it was not all luck.

And another thing: Paul's training methods are what will do him in in the Sinnoh League. It's not that unpredictale, and if Paul treated his Pokemon with love and respect like Ash does, he would be unstoppable.

[.:Ambipom:.]

Chimchar was so Physco. If I were Ash I would have got Pikachu to zap

[ash_forever]

Well, it WAS a coincedence that Chimchar beat Ursaring, but Brock DID mention (in the raw version) that it was Blaze, (Mozu) so at least it used it's innate ability to beat it, and it was not all luck.

And another thing: Paul's training methods are what will do him in in the Sinnoh League. It's not that unpredictale, and if Paul treated his Pokemon with love and respect like Ash does, he would be unstoppable.

If Paul treated his Pokemon with love and as friends, he wouldn´t be better because training methods of both Paul and Ash are mutually exclusive.
You can´t be that rude like Paul AND train your Pokemon with respect and love

[MonferNOES!]

I usually dont dislike filler episodes, but this was one of the worst. Chimchar looked really scary in it o.O And i though it was just too little that happeed (looked at 12 pages of pictures and nothing really happened there -_-)
I liked Gligar in it though xD seeing his scared of Gliscor!

[Bliksem]

Well, it WAS a coincedence that Chimchar beat Ursaring, but Brock DID mention (in the raw version) that it was Blaze, (Mozu) so at least it used it's innate ability to beat it, and it was not all luck.

And another thing: Paul's training methods are what will do him in in the Sinnoh League. It's not that unpredictale, and if Paul treated his Pokemon with love and respect like Ash does, he would be unstoppable.

There's an issue with this. Other than Chimchar, Paul hasn't been shown treating any of his other Pokemon cruely. He may not show the outware affection that Ash does for his Pokemon, but there's no actual evidence that he's mistreated any of them. In the long run, though, it saddens me to realize that Paul will eventually lose to Ash, only for the sake of plot. There's no reason why Paul shouldn't be progressing as a trainer, and I honestly think the writers are being unfair to him by setting him up in such a way. His style of training is perfectly legit.

As for the episode, I can't say I enjoyed the battle segments too much. I really dislike Pokemon that have to rely on their ability as a crutch, and that seems like Chimchar is nearing that point. There's no reason for it to be such a horrible combatant in every other situation. I do hope that the next five badges show increased ability for most of Ash's Pokemon; only Buizel and Pikachu (and to a very light extent, Turtwig) seem actually competent.

[Geodude]

There's no reason for it to be such a horrible combatant in every other situation.

How exactly do you consider that to be the case? You act as if it's lost every single battle it's ever been in.

I usually dont dislike filler episodes, but this was one of the worst. Chimchar looked really scary in it o.O And i though it was just too little that happeed (looked at 12 pages of pictures and nothing really happened there -_-)

So obvious character development for both Chimchar and Gligar is nothing?

And why do people insist on using the word "filler" as much as possible for episodes that clearly aren't? That's getting really annoying. (take the hint, people)

[ash_forever]

agreed!

As I´ve already said in the "Luxray Vision" thread:

If you could only avoid this horrible expression "filler": EVERY Pokemon episode does make sense, so I can´t see a reason for using this contemptuous word which makes you think that the episode was just shoddy and not worth being watched

[tee tee]

I was rewatching this episode today and I saw the Gliscor and Gligar battle! Now why in the world did Ash command Gligar to go head on with Gliscor when he was using Guillotine! That incident reminded of Charizard using Seismic Toss on Brandon's Dusclops!

[So So Soonansu!]

Does anyone know what the name of the BGM used in the "battle" just after Hikozaru goes crazy?

[sweet_piplup123]

Whoa...Chimchar had to get mad after it was almost killed.

[bhrettzerda053]

Just imagine Chimchar gets angry at Paul because of how he did release it.

[HoennMaster]

He did get mad at Paul, hence one reason why it happened.

[Torpoleon]

For the ones who saw the episode, who won? Ash or Paul?

paul won the first round and ash won the second round.chimchar used it's ultimate power when it won after that paul left not continuing the match.