View Poll Results: Should Wobbofet and Deoxys-S be allwoed?

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  • Yes, both of them

    32 20.38%
  • No, neither of them

    58 36.94%
  • Only Wobbofet

    17 10.83%
  • Only Deoxys-S

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    I'll join, =D
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    Wow, a stickied tourney, I want to join

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    It says applications close on 16th July, this is popular, are we going to wait for 64, or just end at 32. I figured 16th July seems a bit far away, judging by the popularity of this!

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    Should Garchomp, Deoxys-S and Wobbuffet be allowed?

    Garchomp: Unless people use a SandStream and get Sand Veil activated or use a Scarf, Garchomp is pretty easy to take down. Starmie can OHKO, regardless of Scarf or Specs ( On Mie ) So Chomp is a mixed opionion for me, but I say let is stay.

    Deoxys-S: A favourite of mine, as I have a 31 IV Speed Jolly one! It is way to fragile, but can outspeed everything, including +1 Yanmega Speed Boost. However, it is way too predictable and fragile as I already said. Let it stay.

    Wobbuffet: No way. Far too overpowered and gay. Shadow Tag is a brilliant ability, not letting anyone switch out, and it has collosal HP and Defences. No chance should it be allowed in this tourney. Anyone who uses it is also cheap :P
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    I haven't battled competitively as of yet but... I'll just have to battle a lot to train up before this! Count me in. Also, if this is really going to be "the best tourny ever to beat all others" you might wanna think about having things like a UU division or other parts and not just one standard match.

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    July 16th? That is pretty far away, I wouldn't be surprised if we got 64 people until then. Just think if we got 128!

    So it's going to be a standard, random pairings bracket kind of thing? I was always worried about being in those because one loss means it's over! Hopefully there will be some sort of consolation bracket or something. The division idea sounds cool too!

    To everyone: Please don't let this one die, it's been stickied. STICKIED. So try to do your battles, and only sign up with the intention of finishing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graceful Shinigami View Post
    So it's going to be a standard, random pairings bracket kind of thing? I was always worried about being in those because one loss means it's over! Hopefully there will be some sort of consolation bracket or something. The division idea sounds cool too!
    I am thinking of a consolation prize, but nothing so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by toushiroH95
    just one question : when is the tournament?
    On the 17th. If we happen to not have a full bracket, Ie. 60 people instead of 64, I will extend it because I don't want people to be dropped. I could also change it from elimination to point based, round roubin, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldfan
    It says applications close on 16th July, this is popular, are we going to wait for 64, or just end at 32. I figured 16th July seems a bit far away, judging by the popularity of this!
    Well, I did some thinking. If in 1 day this tourny filled the cap of 32, I think in 2 weeks we can hit over 100. I hope.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZIE GUY
    I haven't battled competitively as of yet but... I'll just have to battle a lot to train up before this! Count me in. Also, if this is really going to be "the best tourny ever to beat all others" you might wanna think about having things like a UU division or other parts and not just one standard match.
    If we can't fill the cap of members by the time the deadline approaches, I might make a point-based-round robin match with seperate divisions.




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    Kudos on a great idea. Hopefully we'll get 128 and have a real showdown!

    I'm in! I'm not great and will probably lose first round but what the hey...

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    i would be glad 2 join in this cup since im in need of celebii y not user name=mrbadguy096
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    I'm also willing to donate a shiny untrained starter Pokemon as one of the other prizes. Haunter, please PM me and I'll send a list over to you.
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    The bigger the tournament is, the harder it is to manage people. Some of them end up losing interest and then you have to call matches by default. It also gets messed up when both of the players in a matchup are inactice/gone. That's what killed the last Pe2k tournament.

    Also, in terms of the poll, it's strange how more people voted than are currently signed up. That means some random person could have just voted. I hope that won't determine anything because Smogon's vote was unofficially around 46-40 for Deoxys-s being OU. It might be officially tied.

    Take into account Garchomp too. I know you are probably like, "Oh, no way!" But that's only because you don't know the facts. Quite frankly, I've never seen anyone give a good reason why Garchomp should be OU. Let me elaborate:

    First of all, Garchomp has one of the most broken abilities in the game -- Sand Veil. It cuts accuracy to 80 percent immediately. This is just food for thought, though.

    Now let's look at its base stats: 108 / 130 / 95 / 80 / 85 / 102. The 102 is speed allows it to outspeed everything in the 100 base stat range. This gives it its own little niche. The 130 in attack is absolute death and its defenses are remarkable compared to other sweepers.

    Let's go into the matter a little deeper. Garchomp has no counters. This is a definition of an uber Pokemon. A counter is something that switches in on something. It doesn't mean, "ZOMG, MEH PORYGONZ ICE BEAM OUTSPEEDS JOOO!!" Porygon-Z gets pummled by any attack Garchomp throws at it on the switch. In order to determine if Garchomp has any counters, let's look at its variations: YacheChomp and BandChomp. ScarfChomp and SpecialChomp aren't as standard. Dugtrio is still cream of the crop when it comes to revenge killing.

    YacheChomp is completely broken. With its defenses and Yache Berry to reduce the power of Ice-type moves, it gets a free SD. Garchomp usually comes in on something that can do nothing against it. That means your opponent has to switch out. There's the free SD. If they stay in, you get a SD in anyway. With one SD, Garchomp 2HKOs everything. If it can 2HKO, that means nothing can safely switch into it. Anything study enough to live one hit doesn't have the speed to attack it before Garchomp can hit it again. Anything faster than Garchomp can't survive more than one hit. Mix Sand Veil into the equation and your Ice Beam / Hidden Power Ice loses accuracy on top of the Yache Berry. So it not only has no counters, but it also overpowers.

    BandChomp is another impossible Pokemon to counter. It 2HKO everything in the game, once again. Now you can say, "What if the person uses Outrage and then I switch to Metagross and use Ice Punch?" If you need something to take a specific Pokemon down, then it overcentralizes the metagame. Since Metagross is basically the only Pokemon with a decent Ice-type attack to go along with a good attack stat, it becomes the best option. You might also say, "What if I see they Earthquake something and then I send in Skarmory?" Then it just switches out.

    I'm not saying Garchomp is unbeatable. As with all ubers, they are possible to beat. It's when the change the way the game is played to beat them is when it becomes a problem. I've used my OU team on the uber ladder a few times. It's surprising to see hwo well standard Pokemon can do against ubers. Look at Rayquaza: It has less speed and defense than Garchomp. It's uber. Now I know it has access to Dragon Dance, but that wasn't the point. Garchomp is very good in ubers and overpowers and overcentralizes OU.

    That's it. ._.
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    Hmm, well, there is a tourny going on here abouit Garchomp, so I'm nopt going to take that thing up here.

    As for the poll, idk. It is weird.

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    ^^ FAir Point to make i think. I don't use garchomp and i will be very happy to see it banned in this tournament, to stop it taking up a space in 75% of the entrants team. UNF Gamefreak screwed up on Chomp. I would be happy to see it banned alongside Deoxys-E and Wobb, maybe we should have a VOTE on all 3. But a BOLDED vote like they have on Smogons CAP, rather than a clicky poll. So people who actually give valid reasons votes are counted and others aren't

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    Mmmmm......Fine. I will rid the Poll up above and make an announcement.




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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfan View Post
    ^^ FAir Point to make i think. I don't use garchomp and i will be very happy to see it banned in this tournament, to stop it taking up a space in 75% of the entrants team. UNF Gamefreak screwed up on Chomp. I would be happy to see it banned alongside Deoxys-E and Wobb, maybe we should have a VOTE on all 3. But a BOLDED vote like they have on Smogons CAP, rather than a clicky poll. So people who actually give valid reasons votes are counted and others aren't


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    MY Votes

    Garchomp - Banned - As Kevin Garrett Said in so many ways better than i can, garchomp is too big a threat and centrelises the metagame. When battling it you feel obliged to put in at least 2 things that can revenge it, if not 3 and i would like a wider variety of choice

    Deoxys-S - Banned Too varied, can pressure stall, and can revenge ANYTHING in the game. Its high speed stat and really varied movepool make it too much of a threat, in so many ways

    Wobb - Banned Cheap and it has a broken ability, this thing should never have been moved out of Ubers, it has the ability to take down most sweepers with ease, although this is the one i'd most like to keep

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    Well, I editted my post with my vote.
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    Just so people don't leave, I will tally the results at the end, and then post them.




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