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    ...why does Jupiter sound like a teenager?

    ...why did they play Vicious's theme at the end?

    WHY DID THEY PAD THE PLOT WITH TEAM ROCKET? And usually I LOVE Rocket plots! But that was just pathetic! How exactly were they able to just WALK OUT with the orb? Especially with everything around there that could just come up and take it away from them! There's only one person I can think of who could have pulled that off successfully and it's Brodie. And he would have dressed up as a Galactic to do it.
    ...although that would have been made of complete win and awesome and aasffhkehfkashfkshdfsdfhsf *droooooool*.

    Also, I really feel sorry for Sean Schemmel. Thinking of how many takes that DIVINE RAAAAAAGE! scene must have taken, I can only imagine how long he'd have to rest his throat after that. Seriously, try to match that just *once*, and then try to do it, like, five more times, and tell me what your throat feels like. Heck, he'd be lucky if it didn't trigger his gag.
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    - Cyrus' personality is great. Freakin' psychopath.

    - This episode makes me think Cynthia will have further roles in the Team Galactic arc. That should secure her at least one more appearence. Possibly the final TG showdown like in the games.

    - Ah, so Jupiter is in charge of collecting the pixies. Saturn and Mars had episodes focusing on them, Jupiter will probably get an episode devoted to her when the group reach Lake Aqucity with Hunter J.


    - One of Brock's pokemon did enough to end up in a hospital bed? Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash_forever View Post
    And then Queen Cynthia's profound words about the relationship between Ash, Chimchar and Paul. I'm still philosophizing about what she could have alluded to. What does she mean? What exactly is that bond between the three? I mean, it's Cynthia who said those words, so, they simply must have consequences for the future. Oh, Cynthia if only you had already revealed the mystery of your words!
    Could it possibly be the conflicting natures between Ash and Paul?
    When 2 things meet, something is born....
    When Ash meets Paul, the truth is born!
    Think about it: Chimchar was previously with Paul, but then went with Ash.
    So Chimchar then is whatever is "born" when Ash and Paul become one (uhh no AshxPaul intended).
    I think Cynthia is trying to say that only when you experience both sides of something can you truly understand it.
    Chimchar, when he was with Paul, underwent the deepest cruelty, thus it only understands the negative side of life.
    Then, he came to Ash, who symbolizes all the positive things in life.
    Now that Chimchar has experienced both, it knows the true value of love and friendship.
    Notice how Paul's Pokemon are all cruel and cold and how Ash's Pokemon are all ignorant and take his love for granted.
    Only Chimchar understands the true value, so he went and suffered the blow for Pikachu.
    This would also explain why Cynthia suspected Chimchar to be previously Paul's; she knew what would be "born" when their ways fuse.

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    So, I finally saw it on place-that-must-not-be-mentioned. (No Cartoon Network here, as it turns out. Feh.) Good follow-up to last week's.

    Cyrus. Wow. Bringing the crazy at maximum levels. Cynthia seems a bit suspicious of him now; I wonder how that will play out.

    Ash. Surprisingly mature and very young at the same time this episode. I was surprised at the compliment from Cyrus- I think he may be the most complex villain Ash has ever faced. Pity Ash doesn't know that yet.

    Croagunk and Chimchar. Not often we see injuries that last longer than an overnight stay.

    ...Did Ash actually recognise TR before they removed their costumes? It's the end of an era! (Or not; I think we all know Our Heroes will go back to not noticing the talking Meowth nest episode.)

    Dawn is scared, and says so flat out, and gives good reasons for it. There is actually a discussion of the implications of what could happen.

    Several interesting points to this episode. Our Heroes have a good reason for not knowing a villain is a Real Bad Guy for a change, since he is vouched for by two well-respected figures and the kids don't know him well enough to realize that he is batcrap crazy- although the Villain Rant in the ruins may have given them a clue. A connection between Team Galactic and Hunter J is strongly hinted at; I can't say it's revealed since they didn't actually refer to her by name, but I doubt they'd bring in a new Hunter at this point. The Bad Guys are now 3 for 3, and Ash's temper is on the rise. That's never a good thing- Ash exploding means he does something stupid and reckless, but Ash truly angry and in control tends to get things done that shouldn't be possible. And I still wonder if Cyrus thinks there is a connection between Ash, Dawn, and the Sprites. If so, what will he do about it?

    For a change, I'll comment on the voice acting- I didn't care at all for Jupiter's voice. I was hoping for something more Ruth Henshall-ish. Or a bit smoky, like Sarah Vaughn.
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    Great episode, I can't wait to see Hunter J going after the lake spirits.
    I'm a bit disappointed in Cynthia, you would think having the region champion
    on your side would make a huge difference. Also, we're use to Ash & Pals being
    oblivious to everything but her not catching on the Cyrus disapointed me, I like
    her and now I feel she isn't as smart as I thought. She was suspicious but seriously, Cyrus is a terrible actor and everyone watching would have known he was with Team Galactic even without already knowing. I dunno, they got away on her watch, it just doesn't sit well with me. Still, great episode, I love the Admins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderblade12 View Post
    - This episode makes me think Cynthia will have further roles in the Team Galactic arc. That should secure her at least one more appearence. Possibly the final TG showdown like in the games.
    From all that foreshadowing we saw, I really do hope so. An epic battle wouldnt be complete with out her, to either support or help Battle. I think the TG showdown will hopefully be more epic than what we heard.

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    A great episode, with a very intriguing end. Finally, we see Ash not being able to foil the plan of the villain organization. The major battle in the museum put up a hell lot of smoke, TR should've run away with the Orb instantly. But their biggest mistake was discarding the police uniforms. With that, they could've got past the barricades and disappeared with the Orb. But this ending is okay, as it sets up a promising battle.
    Cyrus was really given a psychopathic character.
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    AH. I loved this episode. (: So much stuff about it. I loved how TG let TR leave with the orb, just so they could track them down without the twerps there. AND JUPITER. I had to get used to her voice. For some reason I was thinking she was going to have a more deeper womanly voice ..but ah well. It was okay anyways.

    And Cyrus ..I fricken love how angry he gets, and everyone is just all "WTF" at him. xD
    AND MARS. <3 I wanted to squeeze her when she giggled at the end when Cyrus came in the room and said something to Saturn about why so many things went wrong. xD That just shows Mars, besides being evil and bad, is a very giggly, happy girl. (:

    I really love Team Galactic. This episode was great with all three commanders together. Very awesome! <3
    And I was kinda surprised how the twerps and Cynthia just gave up in the end ..you would think they'd go after TG still. But in the end you could tell Cynthia senses something was up with Cyrus.

    Loved the episode. (: TG IS AMAZINGGG!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legerdemain View Post
    Could it possibly be the conflicting natures between Ash and Paul?
    When 2 things meet, something is born....
    When Ash meets Paul, the truth is born!
    Think about it: Chimchar was previously with Paul, but then went with Ash.
    So Chimchar then is whatever is "born" when Ash and Paul become one (uhh no AshxPaul intended).
    I think Cynthia is trying to say that only when you experience both sides of something can you truly understand it.
    Chimchar, when he was with Paul, underwent the deepest cruelty, thus it only understands the negative side of life.
    Then, he came to Ash, who symbolizes all the positive things in life.
    Now that Chimchar has experienced both, it knows the true value of love and friendship.
    Notice how Paul's Pokemon are all cruel and cold and how Ash's Pokemon are all ignorant and take his love for granted.
    Only Chimchar understands the true value, so he went and suffered the blow for Pikachu.
    This would also explain why Cynthia suspected Chimchar to be previously Paul's; she knew what would be "born" when their ways fuse.

    Feel free to tear up my analysis!
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    Very interesting take on it. My only thing is that I don't think all of Ash's Pokemon are ignorant. Pikachu is most definitely not.
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    it to bad Ash and/or Brock did not mentioned Groundon and Kyogre because they are also were related by orbs that could control them. if they did they probably would figured that team Galactic want to control Palkia and Dialga
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legerdemain View Post
    Could it possibly be the conflicting natures between Ash and Paul?
    When 2 things meet, something is born....
    When Ash meets Paul, the truth is born!
    Think about it: Chimchar was previously with Paul, but then went with Ash.
    So Chimchar then is whatever is "born" when Ash and Paul become one (uhh no AshxPaul intended).
    I think Cynthia is trying to say that only when you experience both sides of something can you truly understand it.
    Chimchar, when he was with Paul, underwent the deepest cruelty, thus it only understands the negative side of life.
    Then, he came to Ash, who symbolizes all the positive things in life.
    Now that Chimchar has experienced both, it knows the true value of love and friendship.
    Notice how Paul's Pokemon are all cruel and cold and how Ash's Pokemon are all ignorant and take his love for granted.
    Only Chimchar understands the true value, so he went and suffered the blow for Pikachu.
    This would also explain why Cynthia suspected Chimchar to be previously Paul's; she knew what would be "born" when their ways fuse.

    Feel free to tear up my analysis!
    I always want to know what others think :]
    Well I've gotta admit that this is quite a good attempt to explain it
    However, I tend to think that the actual meaning of Cynthia's saying is that you don't necessarily have to experience both sides of something, but that when two different poles come together ( Ash and Paul), something will be born.
    Chimchar then is the concrete embodiment of that abstract something that is born of Ash and Paul alike.

    We're slowly becoming philosophical ^^


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    Quote Originally Posted by jolteonjak View Post
    Very interesting take on it. My only thing is that I don't think all of Ash's Pokemon are ignorant. Pikachu is most definitely not.
    I don't mean ignorant as in stupid or anything. But I think all Ash's other Pokemon, including Pikachu, take his love for granted.
    You can only truly identify, understand, and then appreciate something when it's not there. Ash's Pokemon, especially Pikachu, have never been away from his love. Therefore, they take it for granted and can't truly appreciate it's value.
    The concept is like air pressure. We know it exists because science says so, but we don't truly understand what it is. This is because we have never experienced life without it. It's the same thing with Ash and his Pokemon I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by ash_forever View Post
    Well I've gotta admit that this is quite a good attempt to explain it
    However, I tend to think that the actual meaning of Cynthia's saying is that you don't necessarily have to experience both sides of something, but that when two different poles come together ( Ash and Paul), something will be born.
    Chimchar then is the concrete embodiment of that abstract something that is born of Ash and Paul alike.

    We're slowly becoming philosophical ^^
    Wait... I don't understand what you're trying to say. Mind elaborating? XDD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legerdemain View Post
    I don't mean ignorant as in stupid or anything. But I think all Ash's other Pokemon, including Pikachu, take his love for granted.
    You can only truly identify, understand, and then appreciate something when it's not there. Ash's Pokemon, especially Pikachu, have never been away from his love. Therefore, they take it for granted and can't truly appreciate it's value.
    The concept is like air pressure. We know it exists because science says so, but we don't truly understand what it is. This is because we have never experienced life without it. It's the same thing with Ash and his Pokemon I think.



    Wait... I don't understand what you're trying to say. Mind elaborating? XDD
    To be honest, I actually just repeated what you had already said, namely this:
    So Chimchar then is whatever is "born" when Ash and Paul become one (uhh no AshxPaul intended).
    Between Ash and Paul something abstract (an idea or whatsoever) was born whenever the met. And Chimchar is the one who embodies this abstract "something" concretely or, if you want, in reality ^^

    I just disagree with your argument that the saying is meant to express that you have to experience both extremes to cherish the positive things in life. That may be true in general , but I think that's not what Cynthia's saying insinuates.

    Yeah I know, philosophy can be somewhat difficult ^^
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    Hmm... we'll see.
    It isn't like Pokemon to go into something this deep, so I'm probably wrong XDD

    Can't wait until Cynthia reveals the true meaning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by katfairy View Post
    and the kids don't know him well enough to realize that he is batcrap crazy
    Psssht. As I said on Bulbagarden, it's nothing Ash and Brock didn't pick up on from Eusine, and Eusine's (arguably) a good guy.

    Of course, that doesn't make him *not* batcrap crazy, but hey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legerdemain View Post
    I don't mean ignorant as in stupid or anything. But I think all Ash's other Pokemon, including Pikachu, take his love for granted.
    You can only truly identify, understand, and then appreciate something when it's not there. Ash's Pokemon, especially Pikachu, have never been away from his love. Therefore, they take it for granted and can't truly appreciate it's value.
    The concept is like air pressure. We know it exists because science says so, but we don't truly understand what it is. This is because we have never experienced life without it. It's the same thing with Ash and his Pokemon I think.

    I understand what you're saying, but I think because Pikachu has been with Ash for so long that it understands regardless. It knows how kindhearted Ash is with his Pokemon and even wild Pokemon because of their history. I look at it as an exception to the rule.
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    I noticed towards the end of the episode, Jupiter says she'll call on the Pokemon Hunter at once to help capture the lake guardians. She is talking about Pokemon Hunter J, right?
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    Hunter JJJJJJ!!!!
    Can't wait for that episode...
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    Definitely. I always knew that since Team Galactic needed the lake trio (or guardians as they are called in the anime), they would turn to a hunter.
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    Does this mean Hunter J will actually succeed in catching Mesprit, Azelf, and Uxie?!

    Sounds unbelievable....
    And I still don't understand the relationship between those 3 and Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina... They seem to be completely different and unrelated entities.

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    It's possible that they're only tangentally related and that the Red Chain could be used to harness *any* pokemon (in which case Mewtwo should hope Giovanni never finds out about it). Just Cyrus is planning on using it on those ones.
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    Hm? What's the Red Chain? Sorry I've never played DPP before... *shot*

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