4th Gen Battles Blacklist Thread - READ FIRST POST ENTIRELY!

[GDE]

and if we made a list, wouldn't that make it harder to find hackers because they would know how to disguise their hacks more?

[Ellie]

If people want it, I can make a list of all of the balls Pokemon can be caught in (since there's more than just not a Pokeball...). But idk if it'd help a whole lot.

Any sort of resource to help people verify hacks runs the risk of hackers using it to their advantage. But really, intelligent hackers already know how to disguise them well, this would just help fish out the stupid ones and help prove legit players' innocence.

[LV100]

Sigh... It was just a suggestion.

[randomspot555]

The "it'll make the info available to hackers" argument is, IMO, stupid.

I'm no one special. I imagine that's the case for most of you also. If the information is available to you, it's already also available to the hackers.

[Volteon]

We don't need it. We had three blacklists already, none of them had this, and there's nothing that really enforces the real necessity of this.

[iVirus]

IGN: KKSHI
FC: cant remember
Reason: using three obviously hacked pokemon:

Bidoof, Level one. used tackle and took out my Shuckle in one hit.
Gastly, level three. used Spacial Rend, and was faster than my Speed Deoxys.
level 10 shuckle, survived a direct hit from Fissure.

im not sure if KKSHI comes here, but if he/she does. this is here.

[Femme Fatale]

IGN: KKSHI
FC: cant remember
Reason: using three obviously hacked pokemon:

Bidoof, Level one. used tackle and took out my Shuckle in one hit.
Gastly, level three. used Spacial Rend, and was faster than my Speed Deoxys.
level 10 shuckle, survived a direct hit from Fissure.

im not sure if KKSHI comes here, but if he/she does. this is here.

That doesn't so much suggest hacking since:

A- Shuckle can have Sturdy, yes?
B- Even something with 999 Def and 999 HP cannot survive Fissure
C- Maybe a Focus Sash/Band?

Otherwise, looks fairly insane. Were you battling on free battle?

[snake 101]

Just out of intrest if someone ticks me off and then we had a battle couldn't I just claim they hacked and when they deny it I could just say there lying (like most illegit hackers do) and get them blacklisted, kind of messes things up huh?

[GDE]

yes I agree
and mods, if you don't mind, before putting someone on the blacklist, is it possible that i could play a little bit of detective on them and their accuser? I was a detective on neoseeker and many times people have been accused of hacking, the accuser is actually the hacker, and thinks that by reporting someone they will be suspected less, and in some cases, both players hack.
so.... I will only use my detective skills if you say so, but consider that we don't need innocents on the blacklist and hackers running wild
thank you, I bid you adeiu for now,
GDE

[iVirus]

That doesn't so much suggest hacking since:

A- Shuckle can have Sturdy, yes?
B- Even something with 999 Def and 999 HP cannot survive Fissure
C- Maybe a Focus Sash/Band?

Otherwise, looks fairly insane. Were you battling on free battle?

yea, it was a free battle, he made it one, so i decided to go with it, he used those three pokemon, and wiped out all 6 of my level 100s i brought with me.

[golduck#1]

um is this possible. i am not accusing i am just askign a question. ok so it was my sub'd up bold uicune with 30 ivs in def and 31 iv's in hp' against his swampert. i calm minded and he cursed. i surfed and it did like 1/3 because of stealth rock. so i was like one really tough swampert. next he kills me with like 300 damage from one eq. yeah so i was like ok max att and max sp.Def .( btw my suciune has 252 def,252 hp,4 spD) then i send in choice banded heracross and that only did half. with 28 iv's in attack. and i used close combat. is that possible

[LV100]

um is this possible. i am not accusing i am just askign a question. ok so it was my sub'd up bold uicune with 30 ivs in def and 31 iv's in hp' against his swampert. i calm minded and he cursed. i surfed and it did like 1/3 because of stealth rock. so i was like one really tough swampert. next he kills me with like 300 damage from one eq. yeah so i was like ok max att and max sp.Def .( btw my suciune has 252 def,252 hp,4 spD) then i send in choice banded heracross and that only did half. with 28 iv's in attack. and i used close combat. is that possible

http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Onl.../DamageDP.aspx

Here, try doing the calculations yourself.

[FreeJimmy]

im thinking the spread is 252 hp, 252 attack, with the 6 somewhere else.

with your suicune, against a swampert with neutral nature, and no special defence ivs, swampert takes at most 183. swamperts max hp is 404. the lower end of the calculation is about a third. so that seems correct.

then (idk what heras nature is but) jolly banded herracross, does around a half of swamperts health (impish, no defence evs) after a curse.

max attack swamperts earthquake after a curse does 145 - 170 on a suicune like yours. so if he got a critical hit, its most likely a ohko.

it is possible. this is also with only a guessed set of evs from me. so yeah, basically, the other battler could have spent many hours calculating what the evs, ivs and nature needs to be to get a swampert that was able to do that. im just going with a standard set. anyone with a brain can work something better out to give an advantage.

basically, if the swampert had this bad ev spread (with an impish nature and good ivs), you got 2 lowest damage variation, then he got a normal variation with a critical hit. unfair eh ?

[golduck#1]

my heracross was adamant

[GDE]

File #1: OmairHaq
Ingame FC: 3351-6306-7309
Ingame Name: Omair
Reason Why They Belong Here:
#1 Possessed pokemon caught in the wild with strangely high IVs,
#2 Possessed a shiny weezing. Its egg was obtained via the Mystery Zone instead of the Day-Care Couple.
Additional Notes: Omair's pokemon were checked in a trade to verify hacked properties
EDIT #1: Link to post where incident occured: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=359851

[OmairHaq]

#1 High IVs does not equal hacked
#2 The weezing i got was from a trade, i didnt know it was hacked until after, anyways it still has Legit moveset, legit stats, and legit IVs

[GDE]

#1 Your kabutops had ivs ranging from 20-30 and a perfect attack iv, yet you obtained it through the mining museum in december of '07
unless you are insanely lucky, it would take more than 5 months (since d/p came out in april) to get a pokemon with that good ivs from the museum
#2 it does not matter if you got it in a trade, or if it has "legit" properties, it is still a clearly hacked pokemon

[mAn-kAt]

#1 Your kabutops had ivs ranging from 20-30 and a perfect attack iv, yet you obtained it through the mining museum in december of '07
unless you are insanely lucky, it would take more than 5 months (since d/p came out in april) to get a pokemon with that good ivs from the museum
#2 it does not matter if you got it in a trade, or if it has "legit" properties, it is still a clearly hacked pokemon

Having IVs on his Kabutops that range from 20-30 and having a 31 attack IV is not uncommon. You can soft reset the fossil until you get the IVs you want. As for the second one, by definition of this trade thread, it's still "hacked"

[GDE]

I suppose you have a point on the first one...... but the weezing is a definite hack

[Ellie]

IGN: KKSHI
FC: cant remember
Reason: using three obviously hacked pokemon:

Bidoof, Level one. used tackle and took out my Shuckle in one hit.
Gastly, level three. used Spacial Rend, and was faster than my Speed Deoxys.
level 10 shuckle, survived a direct hit from Fissure.

im not sure if KKSHI comes here, but if he/she does. this is here.

Provide links to something that happened HERE. If he/she doesn't even come here, there's no point to putting them up here.

Just out of intrest if someone ticks me off and then we had a battle couldn't I just claim they hacked and when they deny it I could just say there lying (like most illegit hackers do) and get them blacklisted, kind of messes things up huh?

No, because we actually do look at evidence, contrary to what people might think.

yes I agree
and mods, if you don't mind, before putting someone on the blacklist, is it possible that i could play a little bit of detective on them and their accuser? I was a detective on neoseeker and many times people have been accused of hacking, the accuser is actually the hacker, and thinks that by reporting someone they will be suspected less, and in some cases, both players hack.
so.... I will only use my detective skills if you say so, but consider that we don't need innocents on the blacklist and hackers running wild
thank you, I bid you adeiu for now,
GDE

We don't need any "detectives." If people give me, Erik Destler, and Volteon evidence, we can determine if it's good enough or not.

#1 High IVs does not equal hacked
#2 The weezing i got was from a trade, i didnt know it was hacked until after, anyways it still has Legit moveset, legit stats, and legit IVs

If you can show that you got it in a trade, then you won't be put on. Everyone assumes SOME responsibility of making sure their traded Pokemon are legit before using them in battle, though :/