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Thread: Shaymin-S in OU

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    Default Shaymin-S in OU

    I added a poll at the last second just to see what people think

    Well, if you have recently looked at the tier list for Smogon on the forums. The tier for Shaymin S isn't in the strategy dex, but the updated tier list was posted on Smogon forums (I found it earlier on the forums, but forgot the page) Shaymin-S is in OU. So, what do you think about it? Will it drastically change the metagame like the removal of Garchomp, or, will it just be a simple OU Pokemon, strong but counterable.

    Here is Serebii's page on Shaymin: http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/492.shtml

    It seems that Shaymin Sky Form actually has Serene Grace. I don't know of any moves that would STRONGLY benefit from Serene Grace.

    BTW: Don't say to me, SHAYMIN S ISN'T OU, HOW DO U KNOW? Because I looked at it on the forums. The reason its not on the Strategy Dex is because Smogon might not know how it will battle in the metagame until Platinum gets released in English.
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    No way in hell. It's far too strong. Also, this should be in PokePolls.

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    Hax+Air slash+Seed flare=Uber.

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    I'm sorry but what does OU mean? :\

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    I hope it's OU... unless it overcentalizes or becomes uncounterable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machiki View Post
    It seems that Shaymin Sky Form actually has Serene Grace. I don't know of any moves that would STRONGLY benefit from Serene Grace.
    ORLY?

    Seed flare goes from 40% of lowering sp.def to 80%.
    Air slash's flinch rate goes from 30% to 60%.

    I'm sorry but what does OU mean? :\
    It's a tier, which stands for overused.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodthirstPriest View Post
    Seed flare goes from 40% of lowering sp.def to 80%.
    Air slash's flinch rate goes from 30% to 60%.
    That's more than enough to bump it up. Don't forget the unique 127 speed tier (I think it is at least).

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    the shoddy metagame has already become overcentralised to stop skymin. nearly everybody uses timid choice scarf heatrans to stop skymin. more heatran = more dugtrio.
    more dugtrio = more skymin.
    considering this and the fact that air slash will almost always get a flinch and the fact that there is a 20% chance seed flare WON'T lower your sdef i think skymin should be uber. i mean one of the reasons garchomp got moved to uber was that it was overcentralising the metagame and that it was next to uncounterable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow_Lugia_XD001 View Post
    I'm sorry but what does OU mean? :\
    OU = Over used

    Ok, I do guess Skymin is pretty powerful. Although, there ARE counters in the game
    ~Scarf Heatran/Heracross
    ~BLISSEY!
    ~More that I CBF thinking about

    Scarfed Heatran and Heracross are pretty straightforward counters. Blissey walls Air Slash and Seed Flare, and there are more, Gengar outspeeds it so it can use Hidden Power Ice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machiki View Post
    there ARE counters in the game
    ~Scarf Heatran
    Earth Power begs to differ.

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    no bliss isnt a counter. specs seed flare 2HKOs if it gets the spD lowering which it more than likely will.

    this thing is uber.

    it has earth power thanx to the tutors! which kills steel pokes chance. like magnezone. who can OHKO with HP ice.

    also carrying HP ice on evryone will be overcentralizing just like Chomp.

    the things Uber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machiki View Post
    OU = Over used

    Ok, I do guess Skymin is pretty powerful. Although, there ARE counters in the game
    ~Scarf Heatran/Heracross
    ~BLISSEY!
    ~More that I CBF thinking about

    Scarfed Heatran and Heracross are pretty straightforward counters. Blissey walls Air Slash and Seed Flare, and there are more, Gengar outspeeds it so it can use Hidden Power Ice.
    Blissey can't afford a drop in sp.def nor can it afford to flinch. Gengar doesn't outspeed it unless it carries choice scarf. Heracross can't afford to come into air slash, and heatran can't afford to come into earth power. To kill it with heracross requires that you already have a pokemon out that resists air slash, so heracross can come in to hit it safely. Using stone edge isn't a guaranteed hit. Putting choice scarf heatran in every team is overcentralizing.


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    Earth Power begs to differ.
    Um... There is a reason it is SCARFED Heatran

    no bliss isnt a counter. specs seed flare 2HKOs if it gets the spD lowering which it more than likely will.

    this thing is uber.

    it has earth power thanx to the tutors! which kills steel pokes chance. like magnezone. who can OHKO with HP ice.

    also carrying HP ice on evryone will be overcentralizing just like Chomp.

    the things Uber.
    Well, Smogon is far more experienced in the field on competitive than anyone I know of, Smogon decides what is what. They must have some good reasons for putting Skymin in OU
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    it is way to strong to be OU that would be strange t osee an event pokemon un-UBER

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    Changes to 4th Gen Competitive Battling

    Please continue your discussion there. ^_^

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