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    ^Oh, the irony you return. xD Welcome back!

    Quote Originally Posted by shadow_shipper
    Oh and, when wiritng a shipping fic. Try not to exagerate the "cause" of your fic and "glorify" it.
    It's kind of obvious and deminishes the beauty :/
    I'm slightly confused as to what you mean. Do you mean how authors praise themselves and call themselves the best author ever or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uza-chan
    I don't think flaming fits in to stories either. It follows with what I just said. Plus, I think it's pretty lazy of you to flame characters, it's like giving yourself a get-out-of-jail-free card. Like you have no conflicts you can think of and then- oh! Here comes an unsuspecting character you hate! Okay, yeah, let's make them so very in love with your main character and then make your main character reject them so badly they go ahead and become severely depressed! And then your main shipping can hold each other together and gaze in to each others eyes and kiss passionately while the rejected person cries and cries and cries! Whoopee!
    Oh god, how could I forget that? Flaming completely turns me off from reading a story. I remember I was reading this terrific Pokeshipping fanfiction until the author started to flame May. I was all "Noooooo! Why, damn it?!" That eventually led me to stop reading as great as the characters were. The flaming ruined it for me.


    As for writer's block... oh, god. I struggle with it as well; it's not because I have no idea what to write but rather, I'm lazy. D:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mel
    Speaking of inspiration, does anyone have music that inspires them when writing shipping fics?
    *raises hand* Oh, me, me! xD Whenever I do get the urge to write, I listen to instrumental music. Whenever I listen to a song with lyrics, then I end up singing along then go on a singing spree. XD I recommend instrumentals. =) (I could give ya some over MSN; I have a bunch.) That reminds me, I need sad instrumentals. Nearly all of the ones I have are happy or suspenseful. I think instrumentals work perfectly when it comes to setting the mood. :3

    Sometimes, I also go out to a different place like a museum or park to get writing ideas. The museum comes in handy whenever you're writing anything having to do with history, so I've visited various museums throughout the past few months to write for one of my stories. So visit a place you like to get ideas! =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Mist~ View Post
    ^Oh, the irony you return. xD Welcome back!
    Yeah, the irony ^^'
    Oh, and you spootted one of my mistakes lol I meant "ship" instad of "fic"

    Takes a whole other meaning doesn't it ?


    I have one thing to add on the matter of lazyness/writer's block :
    procrastination ftw xDD

    I mean, if you have some pressing issues with your freinds, life and studies, I know what's on top of my list...and it's not writing

    Music ? I seldom try it to find inspiration. I just listen to music every day, so I'm already influenced hehe
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    Hm, interesting place we got here.

    So yeah, I'm just a small time writer here. At first I was pretty enthusiastic and all, posting several times a week. Now I'm down to like, a chapter ever 2 weeks at best, which is extremely rare now. I dunno if I'm just lazy or if I just have too much work, because I definitely have time when I don't have work from 4 APs, but I still don't seem to write.

    So I was just wondering how long some of you authors have lack of updates, and what is the reaction from your readers, if any? Overall, my readers just seemed to sort of have disappeared, since for me, I slowly started taking longer and longer to post, and I guess they just noticed. On my latest chapter, I had one reviewer, and that was my main mechanical reviewer.

    Sorry if I made a topic change or anything, but this is something that always irks me in the back of the head when I think about writing but, I just don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Renowned Obscurity View Post
    Sometimes I see people create jerky OCs to get in the way and then later bash... I mean, at least it isn't canon characters, but I don't see the point of creating your own character just to later say they suck and have everyone hate them for interfering with the ship :/ At least give them some other purpose...
    OCs are an interesting subject, since they can either make or break a fic (particularly a shipping one). I think most people tend to shy away from them due to the whole Mary-Sue problem that people associate with almost any OC. I think the trick with OCs is to develop their character as much as you would a canon character - don't treat them as background art just for the sake of adding another person into the mix. I personally see nothing wrong with OCs (the whole premise behind my OCs in my current fic is that OCs are always the villains in the canon movies, so why not fics, too?), so long as they're well-developed and have a purpose for being there.

    When I try thinking up a new OC, I always figure out their role in the fic first. Sometimes it's a discredit to a canon character if you could have used them instead (and more often than not there's a canon character who will fit your needs perfectly). Obviously you shouldn't always prefer canon characters over OCs if it stretches the believability of your fic somewhat (for example, the Gym Leader of Snowpoint City just happens to be in the Hoenn region on vacation when your characters just happen to be on the same beach she's visiting, etc), but it's something to keep in mind.

    A final point on OCs: don't let them outshine the main cast. Your ship is about <insert couple here>, not <insert couple here and the random OC>. Of course if they're a major plot point they should have focus, but don't forget who the readers really want to read about - your chosen 'ship.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Renowned Obscurity View Post
    And a real problem I have when writing is well...rewriting. If I'm not exactly proud of something I've written, I'm still hesistant to completely trash it. I mean, it sucks to get rid of something you worked hard on writing, but sometimes it's for the betterment of the fic as a whole.
    Ah, I used to have this problem, too. Unfortunately it just takes practice, practice, practice. If it helps, you can always copy your file and make changes to the duplicate, just so that you have the satisfaction of keeping all of your work (and you can look back on some unused ideas for reference at a future point in time). This is what I did when I wrote my first major Pokemon fanfic and it really helped me. Unfortunately, editing is a necessary evil of every genre of writing.

    Quote Originally Posted by cichawk View Post
    So I was just wondering how long some of you authors have lack of updates, and what is the reaction from your readers, if any? Overall, my readers just seemed to sort of have disappeared, since for me, I slowly started taking longer and longer to post, and I guess they just noticed. On my latest chapter, I had one reviewer, and that was my main mechanical reviewer..
    Oh boy do I know about this... ^^;;; I think ultimately your reviewers will begin to adjust once they get used to it, though it helps to make it a gradual transition. For example in my current shipping fic I tend to shoot for an update about once a month. When I first started it was once every two weeks, but that faded away quickly. I always tend to add an advisory note if I know I'm going to be late updating the next chapter, but I'm not sure how much this helps readers' spirits. In fact, one time I posted two chapters in two weeks and a lot of reviewers didn't even realise I had updated until about a week or so later!

    Ultimately I think if a reader is that interested in your fic they will keep tabs on it no matter how long it takes to update, though they may check back less often, hence an apparant lack of reviews.
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    I have one thing I want to bring up.

    Song fics.

    Yes.

    Song fics.

    I have read a few good ones, while honestly, a lot of them are crap. About 75&#37; of the fic is just the whole song, and maybe the rest is actually story. I get kind of annoyed when there's just a whole song written out. If needed be, take parts out that correlate to your story. Don't put the whole song, it's long and boring to read. You can base certain situations and so forth that'd related, but the whole song just makes the fic seem like it has no real thought behind it, to be honest.

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    Whoa, Shipping Author's cafe..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiffany View Post
    I have one thing I want to bring up.

    Song fics.

    Yes.

    Song fics.

    I have read a few good ones, while honestly, a lot of them are crap. About 75% of the fic is just the whole song, and maybe the rest is actually story. I get kind of annoyed when there's just a whole song written out. If needed be, take parts out that correlate to your story. Don't put the whole song, it's long and boring to read. You can base certain situations and so forth that'd related, but the whole song just makes the fic seem like it has no real thought behind it, to be honest.
    Yes. This is right. I also thought that a lot of song fics have more song parts than the story itself.
    It just annoys me.

    Originally Posted by Gazmof
    A final point on OCs: don't let them outshine the main cast. Your ship is about <insert couple here>, not <insert couple here and the random OC>. Of course if they're a major plot point they should have focus, but don't forget who the readers really want to read about - your chosen 'ship.
    Yeah I agree with this. Many writers tend to make their OC ship outcast the main ship.
    I'm not disapproving writers to have an OC ship, but writers often did that.(whether if he/she did it purposely or not)
    It's not wrong to have an OC ship, if it's written correctly and balanced. My fic itself has an OC ship.
    Try to note, if we're adding an OC ship, make it the addition ship of your fic, and not the main ship.


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    I don't mind song fics. i mean i don't see them alot right now. i only write a song fic when i have a song i really like.
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    Hm. Songfics. I'm not particularly fond of them, but I have written one, so that's not saying much XP
    If I am really into a song, then sure, i'll incorperate it into a story.
    I agree with Tiffany on her statement. If the full song is used, depending on the situation, then it can become quite boring.

    But, overall, Songfics are fun to read, if written correctly ^-^
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    I like songfics too. Don't get me wrong.
    Just ones that are just basically the whole song are irritating.
    I've read a few that were very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazmof View Post
    Ugh, agreed, agreed, agreed. Most authors who write like this tend to be more pro-devotees of their chosen 'ship and seek to make an example of other 'ships, unfortunately. Fics involving this are usually just thinly-veiled attempts to flame characters/ships that the author dislikes, and it's a surefire way to tell what threads to ignore in the fics section
    Okay, just so I don't sound *completely* hypocritical, I'm going to say that I used to do all this stuff - flame, making characters just to flame, flaming to make the center couple seem a lot better than they are. Of course, I used to do this when I was a newbie writer but still, just wanted to get it out there lol
    And, uhhh, all that stuff you said xP

    Quote Originally Posted by The Renowned Obscurity View Post
    And a real problem I have when writing is well...rewriting. If I'm not exactly proud of something I've written, I'm still hesistant to completely trash it. I mean, it sucks to get rid of something you worked hard on writing, but sometimes it's for the betterment of the fic as a whole.
    Oh yeah, I hear ya. I re-write so many times and in the end it just feels like... what was wrong with the original?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiffany View Post
    I like songfics too. Don't get me wrong.
    Just ones that are just basically the whole song are irritating.
    I've read a few that were very good.
    OMG, yeah! There are just those songfics that have zero creativity and just follow the song step-by-step. I remember someone showing me their songfic once and with the lyrics it just felt like I was reading the story of the song with just pokemon characters' names stamped on. i get that the whole point of songfics is so it can match the song, but not so much so when you can't tell the difference between them @___@

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Mist~ View Post
    Oh god, how could I forget that? Flaming completely turns me off from reading a story. I remember I was reading this terrific Pokeshipping fanfiction until the author started to flame May. I was all "Noooooo! Why, damn it?!" That eventually led me to stop reading as great as the characters were. The flaming ruined it for me.
    iT especially sucks when it happens in the good stories DD:

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Mist~ View Post
    As for writer's block... oh, god. I struggle with it as well; it's not because I have no idea what to write but rather, I'm lazy. D:
    laziness kills the best of us


    Quote Originally Posted by ~Mist~ View Post
    I think instrumentals work perfectly when it comes to setting the mood. :3
    Gimme some too please~ xP


    Quote Originally Posted by Gazmof View Post
    Oh boy do I know about this... ^^;;; I think ultimately your reviewers will begin to adjust once they get used to it, though it helps to make it a gradual transition. For example in my current shipping fic I tend to shoot for an update about once a month. When I first started it was once every two weeks, but that faded away quickly. I always tend to add an advisory note if I know I'm going to be late updating the next chapter, but I'm not sure how much this helps readers' spirits. In fact, one time I posted two chapters in two weeks and a lot of reviewers didn't even realise I had updated until about a week or so later!
    Oh yeah, I used to post like every day for my first four+ chapter story, and then I updated once to twice a week. now you'll be lucky to see once every month :/ I guess in the end you do have to just try to tell your readers to be patient with the next chapter so they know or expect what's going on. Like what Gaz said, ease it in and warn the readers. ^^;; Especially when you know you won't be posting for a while. I tend to write a little warning and most of the time, the readers wait, sometimes more come since in your absence, they have time to read it all with out a surprise update coming.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gazmof View Post
    Ultimately I think if a reader is that interested in your fic they will keep tabs on it no matter how long it takes to update, though they may check back less often, hence an apparant lack of reviews.
    Ain't that the truth? :P

    Quote Originally Posted by shadow_shipper View Post
    On a personal note, Gazmof and Uza-chan must be smiling when reading this, cause they know that's what I do, and that a ship will never blind me...
    I'm smiling XD
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    I guess it's safe to say that everybody's gonna need work on writing a constructive review, or is there something more to it than that? You ever read editorials in newspapers? The purpose of an editorial is to get people's attention on a certain subject. In a review, you want to give the writer the attention he/she deserves. I may not write the best reviews, but I do know that if you are to write reviews, you need details. Tell the writer what's good about the writing and what's not good. Tell them what to improve on their writing so they can get better.

    In English 101, you are tasked to do a peer review on your classmates' essays. You review their writing, they review your's. I've done it before lots of times and it really helps to fix your mistakes and inprove your writing. This is something I want to suggest to everybody here who want to write better. Before you send out your fanfic to this forum, you always want to look it over for mistakes to fix. It is always better to proofread your fic, edit them, and revise them. It is even better if you have a second pair of eyes doing those things with you, whether he or she is your friend or a complete stranger. Find someone who can help improving your writing. Your eyes alone can't spot all of the mistakes in your writing; even the simplest one are the easiest to miss. They can spot the mistakes your eyes can't see, which can really help if you're not able to find them all. It seems easier to do it on paper rather than a computer screen, probably because with a computer, you are more prone to stare blankly at it (kinda like what Brock does with girls older than him), and you hardly move a muscle, particularly your eyes. I really think it can help everybody here be better writers, and it will help make you a better reviewer. A lot of feedback people gave to someone's fics, especially mine, really screams spam (something Encyclopika knows very well). It really seems like people can't take the time to write a constructive review. I mean, come on, reviews have to have people saying, "Ooo, I wanna read it." Like I said before, good feedback gives the author attention, not to mention, recognition. Obviously, you can't trust someone like that to help you improve.

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Mist~ View Post
    *raises hand* Oh, me, me! xD Whenever I do get the urge to write, I listen to instrumental music. Whenever I listen to a song with lyrics, then I end up singing along then go on a singing spree. XD I recommend instrumentals. =) (I could give ya some over MSN; I have a bunch.) That reminds me, I need sad instrumentals. Nearly all of the ones I have are happy or suspenseful. I think instrumentals work perfectly when it comes to setting the mood. :3
    Music is a good thing, especially if it help you concentrate. Instrumental music does have that inspirational sort of feeling. You should try listening to people like Joe Satriani and Yngwie Malmsteen. They are sick guitar players and they do a lot of instrumental work. Another artist I suggest you listen to is Jeff Loomis of Nevermore. He has a solo CD out right now and he's got awesome guitar skills (something Guitar Hero can't give anybody), and it's all instrumental. Just seach him up on Myspace.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzamaki Hinata View Post
    Okay, just so I don't sound *completely* hypocritical, I'm going to say that I used to do all this stuff - flame, making characters just to flame, flaming to make the center couple seem a lot better than they are. Of course, I used to do this when I was a newbie writer but still, just wanted to get it out there lol
    And, uhhh, all that stuff you said xP
    It just goes to show that as long as there are people, there always will be problems. I witness a lot of flaming throughout the years since I have the internet, and people had better days. I'm always independant because choosing sides makes me very unconfortable. I like what I like and that's all there is to it. By the way, your avatar makes me think you're like the May of the AdvanceShipping thread, at least in my mind.
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    Does anyone have any ideas on how to make songfics good? I've written a couple and don't think too highly of them; I also agree with the people here who say that most of them stink. The thing is, though, that I have an idea for a songfic that I'd really like to write and that I've been working on for a few days, and I'd like to know how to make it better than your average songfic before I post it on ff.net and/or here. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milotic17 View Post
    Does anyone have any ideas on how to make songfics good? I've written a couple and don't think too highly of them; I also agree with the people here who say that most of them stink. The thing is, though, that I have an idea for a songfic that I'd really like to write and that I've been working on for a few days, and I'd like to know how to make it better than your average songfic before I post it on ff.net and/or here. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
    I...have written a songfic before, but it's not the way most of you view songfics. I do have suggestions for both kinds, though.
    First off, the kind of songfic I wrote did not involve the lyrics in the traditional way many of you songfic writers do (which is completely fine, there are just two ways and this is my preferred way). Instead, the story is a descriptive narrative that tells the same story the song does in prose as opposed to the song's lyrical way. In this sense, if you know the song, you'll recognize the story and feeling without seeing the lyrics. The lyrics may be involved in the description, however, but as PART of the description, not a separate line from it thrown in randomly.
    The kind fo songfic I see here is different. The lyrics appear blantantly which is okay. However, as with the first way, the story you describe has to be directly related to the theme or story the song tells. Your lyrics must also flow nicely with the description. Since this is the song stuck in my head now, I'll use My Happy Ending by Avril Lavigne. When you use the lyric "He was everything...everything I wanted" the descriptive paragraph in your story that relates to that lyric should go before the lyric. You should have your main character go over why she loved "him" so much and then put that lyric underneath and italics. I also think the lyrics shouldn't be bunched up - they should come in separate lines...meaning, you'll end up with a paragraph between each individual line.
    I have more thoughts on this, but eventually, I'm going to get obnoxious which the specifics. All in all, writing the type of songfic I see around here is MUCH harder that people take it. Not only do you have to keep the characters IC, but you have to be true to the song lyric for lyric, or it just...doesn't work. Which is why my songfic wasn't a fanfiction. XD;
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    ^See, the first kind of songfic Encyclopika described is how I generally write them. It's more like... I get inspired by songs and write fics potraying what happened in the song.
    I guess the only problem I've had with most songfics is that the lyrics are thrown in randomly and the entire fic becomes disjointed.
    So yeah, I agree with what Encyclopika said about having the lyrics and what you're actually writing being related so the story flows better.
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    Aaah, this thread will be so great for me. =DD

    As for songfics, I've only tried once. It was so horrible that I deleted it eventually. It kinda got rid of my writer's block that I had at the time, though. I write songfics to get rid of writer's block. If I have that kind of time. But it mostly sucked because the italics and bolds kinda failed at working on the FF and I was very tired when I wrote it so there were a lot of gramatical errors, lack of plot development, and so on. I think that songfics kinda take away form the plot because then it's really just the song that developes the plot, and then theres detail to support it. :P

    And OOC Paul is exactly what makes me shy away from Ikarishipping.
    Thats kinda the problem I have with my comashipping fic. What I did, is I made them all a lot older, so Paul is slightly different. And I just make sure not to have him smile and say 'i love you' all the time like you would do with Drew or Ash.

    Speaking of inspiration, does anyone have music that inspires them when writing shipping fics?
    I have no idea why, but 'Still Alive' from the game Portal seems to clear up any Writer's Block I may have atm. It's weird...but crazily helpful.

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    This is not about a songfic. Truthfully, I don't like them.
    While I’m quite new to fanfiction, here are some things I can say:

    Reviews.
    -most of the time, reviews don’t even have proper grammar. I don’t know about all of you, but I can’t read bad grammar. (eg.” OMG! i luvd ths story. plz rite mor.” Or, “F1R3H34R7 g07 pw3nd b9 4 k1779p37.”)
    -include what you liked, why, what you didn’t, why, what could be improved, etc.
    -one-liners are verry bad. They usually don’t give much info and are not helpful at all.
    I know I don’t always do this, but it really helps the author.

    Writing.
    -be open minded. Try new foods, go new places, try new etc. Sometimes an idea just strikes you, like my story Sky Fly.
    -be original. How many times have you read the cliqued event-confess-kiss?
    -show not tell. If you say, “He was surprised”, revise it. How about, “His jaw hit the ground and his eyes bulged put of his sockets.” That gives a better description than plain old, plain old.
    -re-read, re-write. Chances are you’re writing will improve when you read aloud, you can point out any repeated words and delete them as well as make your writing flow better. When you rewrite, the story's wording changes ever so slightly, and makes it better. When I type my story on the computer, I change it a bit.
    That’s what I say could be improved. Oh, yeah. Isn’t it annoying when people have read your fic like, 500 times but don’t have anything to say? If you like the story, take the TIME to review. TAKE TIME. Don’t just say “Awesome fic I loved it.”.
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    ^Yeah, flow is something a lot of people on the forum need a handle on. There are great ideas out there that get killed by choppy description.
    And the "telling" is also a bit annoying. Especially when it's done in a cliche. >.< Yeah, I just love the stories that start out with this form:

    "It was a sunny day in *insert town*."
    O.O I've maybe seen 20 stories start out that way throughout my time here. That's worse than it sounds. XD
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    ^ That's how I started out when I was new to writing shipping fics XD
    Detail is something that I really pay attention to in a fic. If no detail is put into an opening paragraph, I find it hard to visulize the situation. Visulization is how I get through my Writer's Block. It helps a lot, as if you were telling the scene in your own perspective ^-^

    I think instrumentals work perfectly when it comes to setting the mood. :3
    I definatly agree with that. Can you send me some? :>
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    I'm pretty much of a newbie writer, so maybe I shouldn't be one to talk too much about writing shipping fanfics. However, I want to rant about reviews because I just got a particularly annnoying one.

    I post all my fanfics on ff.net, and so far I've never gotton a single review of constructive critisicm except for someone who told me that I had made Yellow go OOC. Usually I can put up with them, but a review from someone I know in RL really ticked me off.

    HURRY UP AND ADD CHAPTER 10... I swear I'll kill u if u don't update SOON...
    bcos i can do that VERY easily. DECEMBER HOLS IS E BEST TIME 4 PLAYING PRANKS
    ! *winks* (no more <OC's name> pls...more FRANTICSHIPPING, Sapphire doesn't appear
    at all... more QUESTSHIPPING, neither does Crystal...) AND MORE ROMANCE,
    EMBARRASING MOMENTS ! ^^
    The OC thing was done by me because I don't want anyone to know my OC's name. It's very unimaginative...

    I really hate this particular review, not only because I dislike this person, but also because she really didn't say anything about my fanfic at all. Did she like it? Did she hate it? Was there anything wrong with this chapter? A lot of words are in caps, and she's threathening me to upload my next chapter! o.o Everything's in chatspeak too. Luckily I can understand it.

    I usually format my reviews like this:

    My general views on the chapter
    e.g. "This chapter was much better than the last one!" or "I can see you're improving." etc. etc.

    Any mistakes and what they should be like
    e.g. "If I am not mistaken, Sentence A should not be in past tense as the rest of the story is in present tense." etc. etc.

    Anything I am not clear about
    e.g. "I didn't quite understand the part where character A can still talk while he/she/it is petrified. Does this happen in canon?" (if, let's say, I'm reading a shipping fic set in a universe where I don't know the canon very well)

    What I liked about the story
    e.g. "The part where character A saved character B from Pokemon C was so shippy! I loved it!"

    Words of encouragement/wrapping up my review
    e.g. "All in all, I really liked this chapter, but it could have been better/longer. I'm looking forward to your next chapter. I hope it's better so I can enjoy your story even more!

    All in all, I feel that if you have something to say about the story, take your time. Elaborate. If you like the story, but don't know what to say (it happens to me a lot) don't bother reviewing, because it'll probably be nothing but SPAM. The most you could do is subscirbe to the story if it is still ongoing (on ff.net, add it to story alerts) or (if you're on ff.net) add it to your favourite stories if it's complete.

    About how often I upload chapters, it takes me forever. I vaguely know my plot and the major events and which order they come in, but I have trouble joining the events together, so I take a very long time.

    Sorry for the long post and this is all my opinions, so please don't take it to heart if you find it useless. Thank you for listening to my rant!

    ~LuckyShipper8816

    LuckyShipper!!! I also support ContestShipping, QuestShipping, FeelingShipping, MangaQuestShipping, FranticShipping, GracefulShipping, CommonerShipping and ViridianShipping (plenty of thanks to mayouh101 from fanfiction.net for letting me know!)


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    Luckyshipper, that is actually a very good outline for a review, and something that potential reviewers should keep in mind when commenting on fics.

    As for Fanfiction.net - with all due respect, I have never seen a single constructive review on there; which is why I enjoy writing on these forums, as members aren't afraid to voice their true opinions on your work. Fanfiction.net is great for an ego boost, and don't get me wrong, I enjoy uploading my work there too, but for the most part I don't think it's a good place to search for constructive help on your writing.

    As for your review example that you received; I tend to ignore reviews like that, as it sounds all too much like "Hey I have an idea! Do this!" and therefore an attempt to commandeer your work. Any good writer knows that a story needs to pace itself well, and so not every character can show up in every chapter at the exact same time - it'll seem jarring and poorly-flowing if that's what happens. Most readers tend to understand this, for the most part, and may comment that they want to see x character soon, but they know that the story's flow must be your main priority.
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    I've seen some people give some great critique on ff.net, but only a few. I prefer going on these forums and posting on writingforums because they show much ways to improve in depth. I used to be working on a huge crossover, but I've left that aside for now, mainly because I want to get some xmas fics done and another reason is because, there was one person who kept requesting his Gary-stu to do this or do that. I hardly here much of him nowadays, he's always ignoring me. *I have plans to get rid of the OC though because it ruined most of the things I wanted in the story anyway* on the other hand, I got really close to one of my other online friends and she didn't mind being in the fic and she enjoyed all the stuff I put her though. That fic wasn't really serious, mainly just for some lawls and to entertain others. XD

    @ Luckyshipper, I tend to give reviews like that too.

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    So yeah, after some short reviews on ff.net, I must say that the detailed reviews I get here are rather refreshing, since I used to be an active on ff.net. Now don't get me wrong, I am grateful that people read and review on ff.net but most of them are pretty bland. There was this reviewing game I saw in one of the forums and it seemed quite fun, reviewing fics for a review in return. It's amazing how I've missed so much detailed and mature reviewers.

    So yeah, I think ff.net really depends on luck. Some reviews are good, some poor. Some fics are good, some bad.

    And someone here mentioned song fics, not really my cup of tea, I must confess when it's not credited who the artist is, or i do not know the song, I assumed the person has written the lyrics themselves. I did find read an advanceshipping oneshot with some lyrics two years ago, and since it didn't state the artist, I thought that the writer had written them themselves. A few days later I noticed that it was a song and I listened to it on youtube. I remember the song was if only you could see and the fic was on media miner.

    Some questions to the readers

    To fan fic readers, do you treat fan fics like a book you would read?

    When you are reading, what else do you do besides reading? Do you try and imagine the story? Are you listening to music or do you feel the actions coming out the screen?
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    Answering C.Gholy:
    1. Yes, I do. Sometimes I even consider if this counted as Oilers Reading Challenge!
    2. Not really. I'm too engrossed in the story, unless it's one of Octoboy's Contests in PDI. I can imagine the pokemon doing stuff.


    I have a problem: sometimes I just wanna comment on an authors description/emotion/understandingness etc. because it's so noticeable. I just want to scroll to the bottom of the page before I even finish reading the chapter/ep and comment. That may sound like a good thing, but I don't want people chasing me and telling me to give longer reviews and more concrit when I just can't think of anything else to comment on. Does anyone have a solution to this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plusle+Minun View Post
    I have a problem: sometimes I just wanna comment on an authors description/emotion/understandingness etc. because it's so noticeable. I just want to scroll to the bottom of the page before I even finish reading the chapter/ep and comment. That may sound like a good thing, but I don't want people chasing me and telling me to give longer reviews and more concrit when I just can't think of anything else to comment on. Does anyone have a solution to this?
    I find myself doing this too, whenever I get the chance to read a fic. The answer, I think, is to open up Notepad or something similar and make notes on what you liked/disliked as you read the chapter. Then when you finally finish reading you can use your notes as a reminder of what you liked/disliked and planned to comment on once you've finished the fic. You should always try to read to the end of the chapter before commenting; it's just good etiquette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Gholy View Post
    Some questions to the readers

    To fan fic readers, do you treat fan fics like a book you would read?

    When you are reading, what else do you do besides reading? Do you try and imagine the story? Are you listening to music or do you feel the actions coming out the screen?
    To Question 1:

    Surprisingly (or not), I don't treat fan fics like books. This is a general description, I know, but it provides me with a point of reference to approach fan fics. I am not expecting fan fiction to be like books, because (generally) most fan fiction writers are not really "professional" but are like myself who enjoy writing and may not necessarily be good at it. However, I have read many fan fics that are almost like (and in some cases better) than books, as well as some books that are almost like (and in some cases are) fan fiction.

    It depends on several factors, such as quality of writing, consistency, style, character development, plot, particular pairing/ship, etc. I've read many well-written fan fiction that while I enjoyed the writing style, plot, etc., I did not particularly like the pairing used. An example was about 4-5 years ago where there was this one author who, while I enjoyed the plot and concept of his fics along with his writing style, I detested his pairings and his often virulent disdain for yaoi and yuri pairings (not to mention the concept itself). All of his later fics were slight variations of the same there (apocolyptical [sic?] mega-crossovers) and eventually became boring as hell.


    To Question 2:

    I actually try to imagine what the story would be like if I wrote it. To use the example above, I would have kept the general concept/plot but had completely different pairings, or I would have added this detail and not this detail. I don't listen to music when I am writing/reading. Quite the opposite, I prefer peace and quiet when writing. Noise distracts me and prevents me from concentrating (so does MSN conversations).
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    To fan fic readers, do you treat fan fics like a book you would read?
    No, I wouldn't want to do that because then I'd never read fanfiction. XD It's peculiar, since I'm so busy I'm more attracted to one-shots, poetry, and other short literary entertainment...only because I find that chaptered fics often let me down and I don't have the time for them, unless I'm writing them. XD; I usually get sucked into a fic when I'm modding, and take the time out to read the short ones. Usually if one catches me like this, it's good and worth reading anyway. :3 I just like knowing that there's an end to the story and hate it when an author gives up on it, so a oneshot, or a real book, I am always guaranteed that the story will have an ending.
    Encyclopika's Fic of the Moment:

    Status: Chaptered | R | Contestshipping | Finished

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    Don't reply to my infractions. It's not gonna change anything.

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