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    Has been suggested before by someone but I'd like to re-suggest the idea of merging Alt Anime and Alt Manga.

    Alt Manga only has five threads in it and in the past two weeks only three of them have been posted in. Last 100 days there have only been ten threads there too. Alt Anime isn't that active either and if you trim away some of the stickies there, you can just have a single Alt Anime/Manga section.

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    This is pretty minor, but could the links in the OP be left as the default colour? On skins with light backgrounds (I use vB default, not sure if there are other skins with light backgrounds) the text for those links doesn't really show up.

    Given the massive amount of avatars in the Sugimori art category, could that entire category be broken up into six different categories, grouped by regions, to make searching for Sugi avatars a lot easier?

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    Okay this is kind of a strange suggestion but whatever. I was glancing through the ASB section and noticed something. A while back there was a Pokemon TCG game in the game section, but it never really caught on, maybe the TCG section of the site could do something similar to the ASB section, play card games, with a ref and 2 other players, and a new thread for each battle. Idk, thought I'd at least put the idea out there.

    Also, here is a link to the TCG game that was in the Games section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vernikova View Post
    Has been suggested before by someone but I'd like to re-suggest the idea of merging Alt Anime and Alt Manga.

    Alt Manga only has five threads in it and in the past two weeks only three of them have been posted in. Last 100 days there have only been ten threads there too. Alt Anime isn't that active either and if you trim away some of the stickies there, you can just have a single Alt Anime/Manga section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhanton View Post
    This is pretty minor, but could the links in the OP be left as the default colour? On skins with light backgrounds (I use vB default, not sure if there are other skins with light backgrounds) the text for those links doesn't really show up.

    Given the massive amount of avatars in the Sugimori art category, could that entire category be broken up into six different categories, grouped by regions, to make searching for Sugi avatars a lot easier?
    I'll fix the links. Thank c+ping text colours with the text, I suppose! As for the avatars thing, I suppose that's up to admins. Although I think only Joe thus far as ever uploaded them?
    Quote Originally Posted by ansem the wise View Post
    Okay this is kind of a strange suggestion but whatever. I was glancing through the ASB section and noticed something. A while back there was a Pokemon TCG game in the game section, but it never really caught on, maybe the TCG section of the site could do something similar to the ASB section, play card games, with a ref and 2 other players, and a new thread for each battle. Idk, thought I'd at least put the idea out there.

    Also, here is a link to the TCG game that was in the Games section.
    Hmm, maybe try asking the mod of that section (SkittyOnWailord) what they think about it.

    I'm not sure, but can one have mock TCG battles on the official Pokemon site?

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    How about new user title bars for the new gym leaders in BW2 and XY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vernikova View Post
    Has been suggested before by someone but I'd like to re-suggest the idea of merging Alt Anime and Alt Manga.

    Alt Manga only has five threads in it and in the past two weeks only three of them have been posted in. Last 100 days there have only been ten threads there too. Alt Anime isn't that active either and if you trim away some of the stickies there, you can just have a single Alt Anime/Manga section.
    I can foresee there being issues with that though. Like with the Naruto manga thread for instance; that thread contains tons of plot spoilers about events that haven't occurred in the anime yet, and people may enter the thread accidentally if the two sub-forums merge thinking that it's an anime thread and have those events spoiled for them.

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    Since it just happened to me again, figured I'd present this standing issue in this new thread:

    The reputation system is hardcore abused all of the time. It's a neat idea, but nobody who uses it seems to understand its purpose. Reputation should be given when someone posts something helpful or useful. I think I have maybe two reputation points, out of my current 22 points, that are actually because I did something remotely useful. Every other instance is because someone agreed or--more frustratingly--disagreed with my opinion.

    Most recently: I posted my opinion on attack animations in the Anime section, and got negatively repped because, and I quote:
    "I disagree completely."

    This is NOT the actual purpose of this system, and it's nowhere near the first time this has happened. I'd be well into the next level of Rep if it wasn't for people abusing the system like this. I know I'm not even close to the only one experiencing this problem, either.

    Might I suggest a "Like" option? Other vbulletin forums do this and it accomplishes the positive traits of our Rep system, without the room for total abuse and negativity. Abusive posts can and should be reported, but otherwise, nobody should have an aspect of their account degraded because someone disagrees with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobandbill View Post
    Hmm, maybe try asking the mod of that section (SkittyOnWailord) what they think about it.

    I'm not sure, but can one have mock TCG battles on the official Pokemon site?
    Thanks I'll do that.

    I believe to do have a TCG game on there, but they only have the newer sets of cards, not a anything from DPP back. I could be wrong though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorde View Post
    I can foresee there being issues with that though. Like with the Naruto manga thread for instance; that thread contains tons of plot spoilers about events that haven't occurred in the anime yet, and people may enter the thread accidentally if the two sub-forums merge thinking that it's an anime thread and have those events spoiled for them.
    So long as one thread is marked as a manga thread and one as an anime thread I don't forsee too many issues. A while back, in the entertainment section, there was a thread about Game of Thrones (the TV series) and another about a Song of Ice and Fire (the book series). People who only watched the show didn't go into the book thread because it was made clear there would be untagged book spoilers, and people who both read the books and watched the show knew that when they were in the show thread not to post spoilers for the show. Everyone got along well, but the threads died from lack of activity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobandbill View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorde View Post
    I can foresee there being issues with that though. Like with the Naruto manga thread for instance; that thread contains tons of plot spoilers about events that haven't occurred in the anime yet, and people may enter the thread accidentally if the two sub-forums merge thinking that it's an anime thread and have those events spoiled for them.
    Just put [manga spoilers] or something in the title. It'll be their own fault after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheEliteEmpoleon View Post
    How about new user title bars for the new gym leaders in BW2 and XY?
    And making the Pokédex link that's under the forums banner link to the xy pokédex instead of the bw one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vernikova View Post
    Just put [manga spoilers] or something in the title. It'll be their own fault after that.
    That would be a good idea, but unfortunately some people have trouble with literacy or might just ignore the thread title and spoiler warning altogether and post in the manga thread anyway to discuss the anime. It's happened before and it gets annoying when people start bringing up the anime in that thread, which is somewhat different from the manga. It's a burden on everyone else who posts there basically. I personally don't see the need to merge the alt. anime and manga sub-forums together. Just my two cents.

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    I'm pretty sure this sounds pretty weird, but can we have a major fanfiction recommendation thread? My blog post on Bulbagarden was not exactly fruitful and TVTropes page doesn't exactly update that fast. It might end up devolving into self-promotion "nightmare", but it's a risk I'm willing to take in order to hear people's suggestions.

    In addition, can we have a proper future games wishlist section as opposed to the massive threads in the general Pokémon discussion and the competitive Pokémon discussion sections? I know it would be impossible to manage, but it would probably be more easier to navigate the suggestions and the ideas.

    As a last note, can we have merch discussion section? I think that would be better than seeing many merch threads in the general discussion section(in fact, the general discussion section can probably be more partitioned).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Yusuf View Post
    I'm pretty sure this sounds pretty weird, but can we have a major fanfiction recommendation thread? My blog post on Bulbagarden was not exactly fruitful and TVTropes page doesn't exactly update that fast. It might end up devolving into self-promotion "nightmare", but it's a risk I'm willing to take in order to hear people's suggestions.
    The yearly fic awards sorta count as a recommendation thread(s) - after all, people vote for what is the best of the year. Second post of this thread links to all of those. There's also the fanfic catalog thread - a blurb usually accompanies each entry too.

    In addition, can we have a proper future games wishlist section as opposed to the massive threads in the general Pokémon discussion and the competitive Pokémon discussion sections? I know it would be impossible to manage, but it would probably be more easier to navigate the suggestions and the ideas.
    I don't think there's enough activity to warrant a whole section for it, really. And as you said, it would be terrible to manage (people will argue about why other people's ideas suck in their opinion, etc).

    As a last note, can we have merch discussion section? I think that would be better than seeing many merch threads in the general discussion section(in fact, the general discussion section can probably be more partitioned).
    Again - is there anywhere near enough threads about it to warrant a whole section? Aslo, one doesn't want to partisition the GPD section so that it becomes inactive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grei View Post
    The reputation system is hardcore abused all of the time. It's a neat idea, but nobody who uses it seems to understand its purpose. Reputation should be given when someone posts something helpful or useful. I think I have maybe two reputation points, out of my current 22 points, that are actually because I did something remotely useful. Every other instance is because someone agreed or--more frustratingly--disagreed with my opinion.
    I have to strongly agree with this post. It seems like either people are deliberately abusing the system to simply state that they agree or disagree with something a member said (a post that could just as easily be relegated to a VM or a PM), or they might not be aware that the a Reputation System is supposed to be used to help members find out which members contribute the most useful posts and topics. If a member posts something useful, and is 'bad-repped' because another member simply disagrees with part of their post with no regard to the entire post or simply because they don't like the person who posted it, then that defeats the purpose of the system, and makes the member's posts appear to be less useful than they actually are. And this makes people less inclined to be honest with their posts on this site.

    So one suggestion is that a simple 'like' button or similar change would probably be more useful than a straight-up Reputation System, given that this is clearly an ongoing problem (hence all the people posting about it).

    However, there's another suggestion that a lot of people often overlook. A minimum character requirement for all reputation comments. It wouldn't have to be that big, maybe 100 to 200 characters. But I think it could help to weed out a large chunk of the people that do abuse the system. Plus, it will be considerably more obvious when people are abusing it.
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    Just a small thing, I noticed that in the Avatar menu, it still classifies the "Unova" section as "Isshu".
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    This is kinda small but I was thinking that you should have a thread were you could have cloners post their FC ign and a link to there page,that way people that are trying to find cloners can easily acess a cloner and users don't have to scavenge around for them,as I am a cloner myself I know that the supply and demand for cloners is out of wack,so if we had a mass thread for them both people could be happy this is a small suggestion but is big in the long run.

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    Any chance you can make the character limit for Private Messages limitless, or make strengthen it to a larger number of characters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MachopMan View Post
    Any chance you can make the character limit for Private Messages limitless, or make strengthen it to a larger number of characters?
    You don't have to have long quote trees in PMs. Just how long is the message you are trying to send? The more characters allowed, the more space it takes up in the database. While it isn't small when dealing with just one PM, when you consider how many members and PMs there are, it adds up quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor dragonexpert View Post
    You don't have to have long quote trees in PMs. Just how long is the message you are trying to send? The more characters allowed, the more space it takes up in the database. While it isn't small when dealing with just one PM, when you consider how many members and PMs there are, it adds up quickly.
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    Perhaps this has been asked and answered but why is there no new set of user ranks for the Kalos region? If there is no reason other than it has been forgotten I'd suggest including those.

    Also very small nitpick I noticed: at the bottom of the Rules where it links to the Infraction Point System, "infraction" is misspelled as "infration".
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    There's one other thing I have to mention about the Reputation system that I stupidly forgot to mention. It's a little thing, but it bugs me to no end. And I think I might be the first person on this site that has ever brought this up.

    The fact is, the Reputation System provides an escape clause for members to avoid having to discuss the topic at hand on the forums. Now consider this against the whole point of a message board, which is to have discussions about various topics. When you have an outlet where people can say anything without the person in question being able to respond, it defeats the whole purpose of a message board.

    This is one of the reasons why Reputation systems rarely work on message boards. It sounds good on paper, but when you get right down to it, isn't it better to just discuss the topic with the person on the forum itself?
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    not really. the point of rep is to provide positive rep for people whose posts are good or provide constructive feedback for people whose posts are bad. responding with those things in a normal thread would be considered spam.

    be sure to read the rules of every section before posting ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellie View Post
    not really. the point of rep is to provide positive rep for people whose posts are good or provide constructive feedback for people whose posts are bad. responding with those things in a normal thread would be considered spam.
    But the thing is, many people don't use it for that. They use it to say whether they agree with a post or not, often without a reason. That's not constructive criticism. That's just agreeing or disagreeing with someone, and I doubt that's the same as finding a post helpful or not finding it helpful. All it does is disinclines people from being honest on this site.

    Then you'll have people posting comments explaining why they gave reputation the way they did. These people often have valid explanations, but here's the thing. Nearly every comment I've gotten dealing with my reputation (where someone's actually left a valid explanation), I could respond to if it was posted in a topic. I would have a response for most of them, not to mention most would be on topic and not spam, because they have to do directly with the topic. However, not only is it impossible to respond to reputation comments, it's impossible to know who posted them. This is what makes it an escape clause to avoid discussing the topic on the forums. They can post something in the reputation comments, and there's no way to respond or know who posted it. That is why it defeats the purpose of a message board. One of the comments I got posted a question that I could have answered. I don't even know how a person asks a question as a reason for giving them reputation, but that's what happened.

    But then again, there are some things which just defy explanation. 'Your feelings seem pretty accurate.' What does that even mean? It makes no sense.


    The point I would make is this. It seems to me that at the very least, many people don't seem to realize what a reputation system is supposed to be used for. As you said yourself, it is supposed to be used as a form of constructive commentary, yet many people don't use it in this manner. Many people use it to simply agree or disagree with someone (like button?). And those that do use it constructively often have enough material to simply make it a post on the topic in question, causing lost opportunities for discussion.

    That is the reason I suggested two ways to counter this. First, a Like button (or something similar) where people could just click it when they see a post that they find useful or that they just in general liked. Or, a character minimum for reputation comments. This would go a long way to curb a lot of what does happen (and probably also help weed out people that do abuse the system).
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