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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt the Cat View Post
    I wouldn't even say the PWT was like the BF. In terms of gimmicks, the only thing the PWT has is a rental tournament. Other than that, the only noteworthy thing about the PWT is that you can fight gym leaders and champions. No battle facility since 5th gen has truly provided a comparable experience to the PWT.
    Yeah definetly but i meant that the PWT offered us the most traditional types of battles but also offered some unique types of battles (like the type experts tournament and the mixed tournament) and the BF does the same it offer us traditional types of battles (like the Battle Tower) but it also offer us something more unique (like the Battle palace, battle arena and the battle arcade for example).
    Most of the BF's types of battles are not present in the PWT though, that i agree with you.

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    Just to deviate from the ongoing discussion...

    We've gotten Maison twice now. I doubt they'll give us the same thing third time in a row in Z.
    They have to give us something different this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulava View Post
    Just to deviate from the ongoing discussion...

    We've gotten Maison twice now. I doubt they'll give us the same thing third time in a row in Z.
    They have to give us something different this time.
    If that's the case, it would be something like the Battle Frontier or just a larger Battle Maison with additional features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt the Cat View Post
    I wouldn't even say the PWT was like the BF. In terms of gimmicks, the only thing the PWT has is a rental tournament. Other than that, the only noteworthy thing about the PWT is that you can fight gym leaders and champions. No battle facility since 5th gen has truly provided a comparable experience to the PWT.
    Well even though I didn't think the PWT was innovative, I'd like to see something like it in "Z" and not another Maison.

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    I'm guessing we'll get another Maison, but it will be at least somewhat expanded, as opposed to another copy of X and Y's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mega Altaria View Post
    If that's the case, it would be something like the Battle Frontier or just a larger Battle Maison with additional features.
    The Battle Frontier is unlikely to return though. I think the Battle Maison would be returning because I don't see anything new to replace it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander18 View Post
    The Battle Frontier is unlikely to return though. I think the Battle Maison would be returning because I don't see anything new to replace it.
    Imo, the return of the Battle Maison would be boring unless it is hugely expanded.

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    Battle Frontier could easily make an appearance in Z, with new facilities and Frontier Brains. Maybe a new island accessible from Lumiose Station.
    Otherwise a whole new facility with Maison-esque feature.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberBlaziken View Post
    Battle Frontier could easily make an appearance in Z, with new facilities and Frontier Brains. Maybe a new island accessible from Lumiose Station.
    Otherwise a whole new facility with Maison-esque feature.
    Why should Z have a Battle Frontier if ORAS didn't? Anyway, it was mention in the interview that they left the BF out because most gamers don't have time for it anymore.
    I can see only two options: Battle Maison or an upgrade version of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander18 View Post
    Why should Z have a Battle Frontier if ORAS didn't? Anyway, it was mention in the interview that they left the BF out because most gamers don't have time for it anymore.
    I can see only two options: Battle Maison or an upgrade version of it.
    PWT is another option that could be considered. Rebattling Gym Leaders from all over the world was fun back then.

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    Why is nobody mentioning Black Tower/White Forest from B2/W2? Way more entertaining than PWT in my opinion, with actual EXP and actual prize once you complete it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander18 View Post
    The Battle Frontier is unlikely to return though. I think the Battle Maison would be returning because I don't see anything new to replace it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander18 View Post
    Why should Z have a Battle Frontier if ORAS didn't? Anyway, it was mention in the interview that they left the BF out because most gamers don't have time for it anymore.
    I can see only two options: Battle Maison or an upgrade version of it.
    Nobody says it has to be the same Hoenn Frontier. It can be Kalos' own Battle Frontier. We're not saying there WILL be one, nor anyone is saying that there SHOULD be one. We're talking about possibilities here and the reason why we think so.

    Maison can easily be expanded with additional features. It can also become a facility in Kalos' own Frontier if they decide to make one in Kiloude, just like how Battle Towers in Hoenn and Sinnoh became one of the main facilities in their region's Frontier.

    I don't know why you keep on throwing away the possibility of a Battle Frontier in Z. And you're logic is just... *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberBlaziken View Post
    Battle Frontier could easily make an appearance in Z, with new facilities and Frontier Brains. Maybe a new island accessible from Lumiose Station.
    Otherwise a whole new facility with Maison-esque feature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janovy View Post
    Why is nobody mentioning Black Tower/White Forest from B2/W2? Way more entertaining than PWT in my opinion, with actual EXP and actual prize once you complete it.
    Battle Chateau is relatively close to that, all things considered.
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    Do you think that in pokemon Z maybe they will have a pokemon based on Satoshi Iwata to commemerate after his passing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorGar View Post
    Do you think that in pokemon Z maybe they will have a pokemon based on Satoshi Iwata to commemerate after his passing?
    I doubt they would introduce new Pokémon mid-gen that don't already exist in the games' codes, unless you mean a new form for an existing Pokémon.
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    You mean Satoru Iwata, not Satoshi.

    I guess the earliest we'll get news is, November. After the international release of Super Mystery Dungeon.


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    Yes maybe i was confusing him with Satoshi Hardudo.
    Anyway i think we should still make a pokemon of him to celebrate
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorGar View Post
    Yes maybe i was confusing him with Satoshi Hardudo.
    Anyway i think we should still make a pokemon of him to celebrate
    Wait, I think you mean Satoshi Tajiri not Satoshi Hardudo. But still, I heavily doubt that Game Freak will ever release a new Pokémon of its own species during the middle of a generation and a Pokémon to celebrate the passing of such important person of Nintendo.

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    I agree that the Battle Maison returning by itself would be boring. I didn't even touch it in ORAS except to get the Wally rematch.

    Either a Battle Frontier or the PWT would be nice, I don't mind which.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt the Cat View Post
    Most people don't care about the Frontier Brains as much as the different battle styles.



    If it was important back then it's important for the remake too, a remake is supposed to revisit that point in history.
    Some people do care equally for both leaders and new battle styles though. For instance, I trully enjoyed 4 of the 7 Facilities in the Hoenn Frontier. The other 3 I only completed because of the Frontier Brains and the Symbols they rewarded. It is an incentive. You know, a "BOSS FIGHT". It is a common incentive in almost ALL videogames LOL... Personally, I wouldn´t´ve enjoyed the Hoenn Frontier if it only offered 7 different gimmicks/battle styles with the same one Leader for all of them. The variety of boss- battles is equally important for some fans, you know. That´s why I see the Maison far superior to the Battle Tower. It only had one leader for all it´s battle styles.

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    That didn't stop HeartGold and SoulSilver from being based on Crystal. Also, that's a terrible argument considering how easy it is to work around the 2-game gimmick if they really wanted to. Or better yet, they should've just remade Emerald considering how definitive it is compared to the subpar Ruby and Sapphire, we're at a point now where it's not that difficult to catch them all (especially if you buy a lot of the games). After all, GSC and HGSS allowed you to catch both mascot legendaries anyway.



    There's nothing to disagree about, Objectively speaking, the Maison is not close to the Frontier at all. The 4 leaders within the Maison are irrelevant and do not make a difference when it's the exact same battle style as found in the Battle Tower. The Battle Frontier is the area where you have various styles at work. For Maison to be similar to the Frontier, you'd need to not only incorporate Single, Double and Multi Battles (Gen V onwards: Triple battles etc.), but also battles revolving around Natures (like the Battle Palace), rental Battles (Battle Factory), battles revolving around resource management (Battle Pyramid), Bracket Battles (Battle Dome), battles revolving around accuracy, offensive strategy, and HP management (Battle Arena), and battles testing your ability to adapt to different formats all at once (Battle Pike). I'm just listing off the top of my head as far as Gen III is concerned.
    Yes there IS something to disagree about, and was just explained above. I liked the BF not only for the facilities but also for thr Brains. So having four different Brains makes the Battle Maison vastly superior to the Battle Tower. Also ... The Original Frontier and even the Sinnoh Frontier never had Tripple Battles and Rotation Battles. Once those were introduced with gen V, and the main battle styles became four instead of two, the Frontier has never returned. Have you asked yourself why? Because it was there for variety, and now that there is more variety in the standard styles, it isn´t so needed, according to Masuda. According to me, it IS needed, though. But he stated most fans don´t make use of the Frontier, so we shouldn´t even be debating it anymore LOL I hope he changes his mind about the Frontier, but however, he will not do that this generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janovy View Post
    Why is nobody mentioning Black Tower/White Forest from B2/W2? Way more entertaining than PWT in my opinion, with actual EXP and actual prize once you complete it.
    Leveling became so easy, we don't really need a facility that rewards you with exp anymore. We do need a facility that rewards you for completing it though. Even if that facility is another Battle Maison, they should at least give the players a incentive to make them beat all of the Chatelaines, maybe an exclusive item of clothing or a charm like the ones that we receive after completing the pokedex (a charm that makes egg hatch a bit faster would be great...).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulava View Post
    Just to deviate from the ongoing discussion...

    We've gotten Maison twice now. I doubt they'll give us the same thing third time in a row in Z.
    They have to give us something different this time.
    Well, lets hope so. Out of "extra-curricular"-activities, the Maison (outside of Battle Testing) just comes off as a badly done Battle Tower, aside from the option to pause the challenge midway, which is just another way of saying: "Perhaps the older facilities were too challenging, we're going to make it easier".

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorde View Post
    Well even though I didn't think the PWT was innovative, I'd like to see something like it in "Z" and not another Maison.
    It at least had far more novelty to it than the Maison. I know back in Best Wishes, people were excited to see those two "brains" from the Battle Subway. I quite frankly thought that was stupid as they didn't seem to have much personality back than, but I'll be damned if they stick the Battle Maison girls in the animé, because just seem like incredibly bland sprites...

    Talking about innovative, I just want to curve a bit to the Emerald and Sinnoh Battle Frontier, because while the Battle Palace was very innovative, I doubt people actually liked it much or even understood the basic idea of how it worked. You can tell that they liked the idea of the Battle Dome, because the PWT is essentially the Battle Dome with previous gym leaders.

    Emerald:
    - Battle Tower: The Maison is just an upgraded version.
    - Battle Palace: Very innovative, but very hard to even get a grip on. Probably the sole facility that I actually consider to be a failure.
    - Battle Pike: Very innovative, battling, but also allowing the challenge to be an adventure between battles.
    - Battle Pyramid: Very innovative, I loved the maze-style, sort of returned with the Black City/Tree Hollow-feature in B2W2?
    - Battle Dome: Also one of my favorite things, PWT did this right.
    - Battle Factory: Rental, still one of my favorite things to do. PWT added the feature as well.
    - Battle Arena: The 3-turns battle was an innovative concept that they haven't touched upon since. I like the idea of being judged on performance.

    Platinum:
    - Battle Tower: Same as above.
    - Battle Factory: Same as above
    - Battle Castle: I didn't think it was too innovative. It's basically a Battle Tower without automatic healing, but gives you the responsibility to do so on your own accord.
    - Battle Hall: Incredibly challenging, I really want to see something like it again. PWT did include the Type Expert-tournaments, which were awesome, but 1vsAllx10 was really good.
    - Battle Arcade: Crazy fun! I imagined it as an upgraded Battle Pike, with the extra occurances.

    So if I want anything to return as a new Battle Frontier, I'd pick the following facilities (or combinations) as they spin the generic battle rules and that's what the Battle Frontier should be about:

    - Battle Tower: It's pretty much a necessity.
    - Battle PWT (Dome/Factory): With all the PWT-features, such as rental/gymleaders/champion/type-experts. No point in splitting the Dome and Factory up anymore.
    - Battle Arcade: The facility where the basics of battle (everyone starts off equal - aside from teamchoices) is immediately kicked aside before the battle.
    - Battle Arena: The facility in which you are judged on battling style after the battle.
    - Battle Pyramid/Pike/Black Skyscraper/Tree Hollow: The facility where the challenge is not just in the battling-aspect, but features exploring.
    - Battle Hall: The facillity where your knowledge regarding your own pokémon is tested. You need to know every flaw if you want to succeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janovy View Post
    Why is nobody mentioning Black Tower/White Forest from B2/W2? Way more entertaining than PWT in my opinion, with actual EXP and actual prize once you complete it.
    I did a few levels (I guess?) of the White Forest thing and than completely forgot about it.. That being said, I forgot where I even put my copy of White2 or if I even finished it..

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    Corsica is an island in France. It is located in the Mediterranean, maybe accessible from Lumiose city. Or maybe they make Britain and create new cities and locations.
    I think Britain has a chance of becoming the region of the 7th Gen. Like France, it has a distinctive shape. France is having the European Soccer Championships in 2016 and for some reason, I think that's one of the possibilities why they chose it. Not just that, but it felt as if France was popular these last few years. Might just be me though. Corsica could definitely be a possibility, but they could just as well just improve on Kiloude City.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoruagible View Post
    I agree that the Battle Maison returning by itself would be boring. I didn't even touch it in ORAS except to get the Wally rematch.

    Either a Battle Frontier or the PWT would be nice, I don't mind which.
    Exactly, it was a mistake putting the Maison in ORAS and I found it even stranger that they implied that it was the basis for the BF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locormus View Post
    Well, lets hope so. Out of "extra-curricular"-activities, the Maison (outside of Battle Testing) just comes off as a badly done Battle Tower, aside from the option to pause the challenge midway, which is just another way of saying: "Perhaps the older facilities were too challenging, we're going to make it easier".
    It'd probably also be so that kids don't have to leave their games running if they don't want to lose their progress, what with the whole thinking kids don't have the attention span to sit and play for extended periods of time thing.

    Exactly, it was a mistake putting the Maison in ORAS and I found it even stranger that they implied that it was the basis for the BF.
    What's strange about it?

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    I've refrained from posting here twice now because I hate debating on this topic so much, but the misinformed views of Maison need to be fixed.

    How is a facility that's objectively better than the Battle Tower something that can be called a badly done Battle Tower? Especially when being able to take a break between any battle is the best thing to happen in any facility ever. Maison is a facility that actually gives an incentive to complete 5 different challenges in literally the same way that Frontier does for its Frontier Brains. A boss battle with an essentially "worthless" reward that says "yay you did it." This is actually a step up because the Double Battle challenges in Tower/Subway/Frontier have always been pointless, and this remedies the problem by adding an incentive for all 5 challenges the facility offers. As for the leaders themselves, they have no less personality than the Frontier Brains of the past, it's easy to tell they've put real effort into making each leader their own person despite the similar attire (and the attire is very deliberate). If we're being technical the Maison pretty much only differs from Frontier in the lack of gimmicks, bigger fanfare and physically different facilities so the comparison between Maison and Frontier is actually not a huge stretch (and one I hadn't considered before). Like that aside they're pretty much the same idea, just with a slightly different approach.

    Yeah the gimmicks are a big deal but if we look at the gimmicks critically, a lot of the Emerald ones aren't even anywhere near as perfect as people think.

    Tower: The generic, nothing to say here
    Dome: Literally just shorter Battle Tower with a 2v2 restriction and the ability to mildly scout teams (which honestly does very little). This is an objectively awful battle style that's masked by the fancy tourney format, not really an amazing gimmick even though it looks really cool. Make this 3v3 and it's fine, but then Tower is roughly the same thing.
    Pyramid: Hit-or-Miss, a gimmick that revolves around exploration is a well-approached gimmick but everything revolves around random encounters, an RPG feature that many people have grown to hate. An actually competent gimmick, but one that's easy to hate.
    Palace: Total garbage.
    Arena: Tower with a 3 turn limit per opponent and no ability to switch. Another well approached gimmick and probably the best gimmick in Emerald's Frontier, but the 3 turn limit can easily backfire and lose you a game that you should have won all because of the awkward rulings at the end of the 3 turn bouts. Honestly this is one I can't complain much about.
    Pike: The one Silver Symbol you got. Luck: The Game. This is a gimmick that in itself isn't bad, but is actually terrible within the context of a win streak format. There's plenty of luck in the battles themselves, no need to throw a "oh your whole team is now asleep" card in there.
    Factory: Very safe facility, a gimmick we've come to expect as a standard and is probably the fan favorite gimmick. I mean they even fit it into PWT to a degree so they know they did something right with Factory. This is actually a gimmick that supports the claim that people don't want to invest time into an involved facility these days because this is literally the exact reason people did Factory all those years ago.

    I'll skip Platinum since I think those gimmicks were actually a much better approach (except Arcade because Luck: The Game V2), but most of us were assuming a recreation of Emerald's Frontier here anyway. Emerald's gimmicks were fun but a lot of them could've been better executed. The games would benefit from a whole new set of facilities honestly, no need to fixate everything on bring the old stuff back when they can do something better than Frontier.
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