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    Quote Originally Posted by PokeMaster Justin View Post
    I just watched this on youtube...boy they don't make em like Kanto anymore *waits for DVDs box to be released.

    This was perhaps one of the most charming episodes I've ever seen in the Pokemon series. Loved it. I also loved the change of Misty's sisters to airheads...it gave them character.

    Speaking of which I wathced the Pokemon Chronicles Episode with Misty ...after eight years even minor characters like Daisy still had thier orignal voice :*( I'll miss the cast thats for sure. I know this was a dub only edit song...but remember when Pikachu lands in Daisy's hands, and it plays this weird song...well they had the same in Chronocles when Sakura beat Misty. I thought that was neat as thats the only time that insert has been played.

    LOVED THIS EPISODE!!

    I miss Kanto too, the episodes had a great quality.

    I loved the posh sisters plot, it was original and Misty lying was funny.


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    Misty is the only cerulean gym leader with a spine.
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    Just watched this episode after lots and lots of years... Pretty awesome to see it again! It was funny too

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    I have the episode on tape and I watched it last night. It was hilarious hearing Ash's original voice again.
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    An excellent episode. That was a great gym battle between Misty and Ash to bad TR had to interrupt it. I like Misty's sisters their a good match for Misty's personality, and they look very pretty in their swimsuits, to bad we never see Misty in one of those swimsuit.I liked that we saw Brock hit on Jenny and she rejected him, it was very nice that it was laid back makes you think that it won't happen again. I wonder where Brock was while Ash was battling for his badge I don't think they ever get to that in the entire series. Grats to Ash for winning his 2nd Badge.
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    I love this episode.
    Its curious about where Brock goes and why he goes during Ash's match against Misty, when they return to Cerulean City in the episode "The Misty Mermaid" he remembers them though, as if he was there, maybe its only in the dub? or he is refering to seeing them on the video phone or something? Visually it looks like he explains where he is going, ash doesn't seem at all curious either, so i think it was something simple which was dubbed different possibly.
    I personally like this episode heaps, the first season of pokemon is hilarious. The art, the voices, the jokes, when misty is trying to avoid going to cerulean city and so on. I think this is a good episode for most of the characters, misty is revealed as a gym leader, which game fans have been waiting for, ash earns his 2nd badge, brock goes someplace, and team rocket manages to successfully steal something, and have some good moments.
    here's an idea, maybe Brock goes back to the scene of the crime to flirt with officer jenny or something XP. love the boyfriend teasing too.
    In regards to the battle between ash and misty. Firstly ash definitely deserves the badge. Anime battles can be a little bit unclear in earlier episodes, in later episodes such as the orange league, ash recalls one of his pokemon and brings in back out, because it still has HP left, but in episodes such as the pokemon league, his pokemon falls asleep and that is counted as a loss. In the case of this battle, Butterfree loses/faints in a way he couldn't use him again. So i view the match-up between staryu and butterfree as a loss for ash. However, when misty calls staryu back, she could bring it back out, maybe cause she wants to give it a short break, or she thinks starmie fares better againts pidgeotto. Starmie usually flashes when it has fainted, but Misty says "its energy has almost run out" so it is probably in the red zone. Ash does say "okay let's get that trainer badge" or something like that, so that kinda indicates one more hit and he has one. I think there are a lot of things like this which aren't clear cut in the earlier series. Like Misty can't use her water pokemon without being in or near water at the begining, and then they slowly start to use them out of water, like the first instant she uses staryu its at mt. moon and sitting in water, it appears to need to suck it up to use water gun or something, but later they use water gun and seem fine away from water, also in the bye bye butterfree episode she revives her starmie with a water pack, lol.
    One more thing, its possible they were thinking that gym leaders aren't suppose to watch other gym leader battle or something? Thats why they might have brock go off, but then again Misty watches the match between brock and ash, only the 2nd time though and in the stands, without really being noticed. okay i've prattled enough, good episode :P
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    I only just watched this episode again and i must say its excellent although there were one or two shadowy patches for example where does brock go? will we see some cameo reference to this to explain it in a later episode?

    Also i loved the part where ash and Misty battled although i think she could have battled better for a gym leader and all, yet i think she would have beaten ash if it wasnt for TR. Afterall she still had staryu left and im sure starmie could have recovered potentially.

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    Ash does say "okay let's get that trainer badge" or something like that, so that kinda indicates one more hit and he has won
    I think when ash said that he meant that since he had already almost taken out starmie that he would be able to wipe the floor with Staryu. He couldve thought this because since Starmie is the evolved form of Staryu then he couldve assumed that it would be more powerful alhough we have discovered that this is not true. And since Misty recalled Staryu when she saw ash take out Pidgeotto that could've also given Ash the idea that she thought staryu wouldnt be able to handle Pidgeotto.

    In short, it was a fantasic battle


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    Hmm...wouldn't go over the top for this episode, even if it is a gym battle episode. The one thing that holds this episode for me is Jenny's line of, "I don't get off duty 'til after your bedtime." Brilliant. Poor Brock-o.

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    I liked everything in this episode except the fact that we will never know where Brock went for the entire episode. I mean, they should have at least told us later in the Kanto series. Well, now I guess we'll never know for sure what Brock was doing.

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    Another good episode.In this episode,we find out that Misty is a gym leader and have sisters,and Ash also managed to win his second badge,though in not very fair way.The battle between Ash and Misty was entertaining to watch,and i wonder who would be the winner if the battle wasnt interrupted by Team Rocket.There is only one mistery in this episode,and that is Brocks leaving for whole episode.I guess we will never find out where he was and what he was doing.

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    Here we go again, Ash gets a second badge, and he hasn't won either one, they were both given to him.
    As for Brock, well the brother needed some love, so he went down to the docks, where of course he could find himself a beautiful escort for the night.

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    i liked the episode when i saw it a few years ago but i forgot what the moveset is of ash's pikachu was, does someone know maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychic Venusaur View Post
    Nobody mentioned the James quote? "It's times like these that make we want to go straight" That's hilarious.
    I think James meant "straight" in the sense that he wanted to stop being a criminal and lead a regular life.

    Though there's no denying the double entendre here ;D

    Personally, this is a favorite of mine. I think Ash and Misty's battle was criminally short (damnit, Team Rocket), but this episode taught me the valuable lesson that water conducts electricity It's fun to say that I learned all about electricity conductors from Pokémon ;D

    Great ep, definitely a classic.
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    He definitely meant "go straight" as in "become a good, law abiding person" - geez, people are determined to think he's gay xD

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    People are also dumb and assume that.
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    People are also dumb and assume that.
    Which is wierd because there was no indications in any of the episodes before this one that James could be gay.

    One of my favorite episodes, but the Ash vs. Misty should have been longer, and I also learned about the electric-water relationship in this episode. Take that, Junior High!

    One thing I never figured out though: when Team Rocket was sent blasting off from that water vacuum, there were sent up into the sky, but when Seel was sucked up, it was conveniently placed right next to it. Am I missing something, perhaps a dub edit, or is it just the attitude of the writers to not think too hard?

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    Ah, the nostalgia. I remember learning about electricity in third grade and shouting out "Water conducts electricity!!" because of this.

    But yeah, even when I was little and I had only seen like two episodes I was like "where did Brock go?"
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    This was one of my favorite episodes. To bad pikachu didn't fight. He would have won. I think Ash would have won if Team Rocket hadn't interupted the match. It is funny to think of where Brock went. Maybe he wanted to appear mature before Ash and Misty, since this was his first time traveling. However, after a ton of girls saying no, he got desperate.

    And not to be off topic, but with this post, I now have the Misty badge thing!

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    This was a great episode, in my opinion. Pikachu was so adorable when it refused to fight Misty. Poor Ash...He could have won easily if Pikachu hadn't been such good friends with Misty!

    I hated the fact that Ash got the badge without really earning it...Of course, you would have had to expect it from the Sensational Sisters; after all, they were going to give it to him without even starting a battle.

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    A gym badge that Ash earns for beating Team Rocket. This would have been a great battle too. I wanted to see more of Pidgeotto battling :/

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    I'm not a big fan of Misty's sisters, i think they're too full of themselves.

    It would have been nice if Seel had been able to battle though.




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    I dunno, its a good episode but i kinda dont like Misty her sisters ^_^;
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    the episode was good^^, but the sisters of Misty were ok XD. Kinda annoying that Team Rocked was inter up the battle >.<

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    I'm quite surprised no one has yet to talk about the abundance of symbolism in this episode. To me, this episode shows not only what pokemon could have been, but also what how great Misty is and why she deserves to end up with Ash more than the other girls.

    The episode began with what appeared to be Misty running from her past/real life in Cerulean City. In fact, she is so adamant about it that, when Ash and Brock continue to ignore her, she leaves the group, at least temporarily.

    Once inside the city, while Ash is uncertain as to why Misty left, Brock is repeatedly dropping subtle hints that he knows she's a gym leader in Cerulean and can even see into why Misty doesn't want to come back. This is evident by the scene where Ash asks Brock for advice about the gym leader, Brock mentions that he knows the leader's "special move," but won't tell out of respect. A respect that he has yet to show to any other gym leader that Ash has gone up against. The clincher to this is those golden lines that no one seems to understand. Just before Ash goes to the gym, where Brock knows he'll see Misty, he says:

    Brock: "Well... I have some stuff I need to go check out."

    Ash: "What stuff?"

    Brock: "Just... stuff. See ya later."

    Anyone that's hit puberty should have known exactly what Brock was doing. I'll put this from a guy's POV. Guy A and Guy B are hanging out somewhere. Suddenly, Guy B sees Girl 1 walking over to them. Knowing that A and 1 have an unsatisfied romantic interest in each other, what does he do? He says, "Hey, 1, listen. I've got [wink]something I need to do.[/wink] So, I'll see you later."

    Arriving at the gym, Ash is treated to a show of three beautiful young women who perform graceful aerobics, receive shouts of praise for their beauty from the audience, and are clearly rich enough to afford an entire aquarium in their home/gym. However, after a quick exchange of dialogue, these three beautiful lasses turn out to be bimbo airheads who use their sex appeal more than their battling skills to get the things they have.

    Keep the sex appeal v gym battling skills in mind because here's where the heavy symbolism comes in.

    Ash makes an open challenge to any one of them for a battle, which is a process that any "trainer" must go through to earn the ultimate reward from them, a "gym badge." What they tell him is how the other three Pallet trainers already came in, "challenged" them, and won their "gym badges" like it was nothing. Basically, the girls see themselves as so pathetic they are willing to give him a "gym badge" without requiring him to do anything at all.

    Don't believe me? Watch it again and pay attention to the blonde sister during this scene.

    Blonde sister: (In a seductive voice) "I know what you want." (Holds up badge, which looks an awful lot like a certain part of a female's body) "A cascade badge. This is what you want, right? You can have it."

    Ash: (A little taken back) "Thanks... uh... I'd rather earn my badges."

    Blonde sister: "Take it. A badge is a badge."

    As the music drops to a low tone, Ash reluctantly is ready to accept it and in doing so, give up a lot of the morals that he has held so highly. But, just then, just when Ash is about to accept the easiest "gym badge" he'll ever get from a beautiful girl, Misty takes a stand and stops him (Yay, Misty)! Clearly, she was there this whole time, hidden from sight and fully aware of what was happening. However, it wasn't until right when Ash would have forever shamed himself by taking a "gym badge" so easily does she swallow her pride and say she's a gym leader in Cerulean.

    It's here that we see the real reason she didn't want to come back. Yes, she made that vow that she wouldn't return until she was a master water pokemon trainer, but, if it really were as simple as that, she could have just told Ash and Brock and waited for them outside the city. After all, she seems to not care at all about that vow until her sisters put her on the spot for it. In reality, she didn't want to come back because she didn't want Ash to know that she was related to girls who would give up "gym badges" that easily and have him start thinking she was that kind of girl. She was even willing to not let Ash get the badge at all.

    However, once she saw that his internal struggle would have wound up with him taking it for nothing, she knew she had to reveal who she was, believing that it was better for him to see her as an "easy gym battle" than for him to actually have the easiest.

    But the symbolism doesn't end there, folks. Skipping over some mock dialogue where her sisters state that she and Ash are boyfriend and girlfriend, Misty's first statement upon being in the ring with him are:
    "I wasn't planning on challenging you 'til you payed me back for my bike, but this is as good a time as any! If you want that cascade badge, you're going to have to beat me!" Basically, she's driving it home to Ash that, even though you might get this "gym badge" by defeating me in an actual battle, it still means nothing until you've made amends to me.

    Cockily, Ash shoots a generic taunt back at her and turns to Pikachu, believing that, with his help, it will be a piece of cake. However, Pikachu's plans are different, the little yellow rat absolutely refuses to fight. Turning what Ash thinks will be a victory he can just easily power towards into one he honestly has to work at, concentrate on, and give his all through good moments and bad ones.

    The fight has them bickering like a couple and TR's vacuum tube that sucks up the water was so full of phallic imagery, it's a wonder how it was aired at all.

    Once the fight is over, Brock reappears and asks Ash, "Hey, man, how'd it go?" Which is obvious guy code for: "Did you get any?" Ash replies with flashing the cascade badge and the show ends with him and Misty arguing over if he really deserved it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveshan View Post
    Once inside the city, while Ash is uncertain as to why Misty left, Brock is repeatedly dropping subtle hints that he knows she's a gym leader in Cerulean and can even see into why Misty doesn't want to come back. This is evident by the scene where Ash asks Brock for advice about the gym leader, Brock mentions that he knows the leader's "special move," but won't tell out of respect. A respect that he has yet to show to any other gym leader that Ash has gone up against. The clincher to this is those golden lines that no one seems to understand. Just before Ash goes to the gym, where Brock knows he'll see Misty, he says:

    Brock: "Well... I have some stuff I need to go check out."

    Ash: "What stuff?"

    Brock: "Just... stuff. See ya later."

    Anyone that's hit puberty should have known exactly what Brock was doing. I'll put this from a guy's POV. Guy A and Guy B are hanging out somewhere. Suddenly, Guy B sees Girl 1 walking over to them. Knowing that A and 1 have an unsatisfied romantic interest in each other, what does he do? He says, "Hey, 1, listen. I've got [wink]something I need to do.[/wink] So, I'll see you later."

    The fight has them bickering like a couple and TR's vacuum tube that sucks up the water was so full of phallic imagery, it's a wonder how it was aired at all.

    Once the fight is over, Brock reappears and asks Ash, "Hey, man, how'd it go?" Which is obvious guy code for: "Did you get any?" Ash replies with flashing the cascade badge and the show ends with him and Misty arguing over if he really deserved it at all.
    Indeed the TR vacuum tube made me lol so hard. As for the "Brock wanted to leave the loving couple alone", I don't believe that's why he left them alone, since this is just the 7th episode of the season. He just left them alone because he didn't want to accidentally tell Ash who the Gym Leader was.

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