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    I really liked how Takeshi was the main one who wanted to rescue Hitokage from the storm, which makes me think that perhaps he was meant to capture Hitokage originally. Well, who knows for sure. I just loved seeing Hitokage find a new owner.

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    Boo. Brock not getting the Charamander was such a sad thing. Then again, he probably wouldn't have done anything with it anyway lol. There weren't many funny moments here and there wasn't a lot of battling either. Oh well.

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    Yay a Charmander episode! I disliked Damian and felt like he was a jerk. Too bad Brock wasn't the one who captured it.
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    What surprised me the most was how 4Kids kept the line about Charmander dying if his flame went out, which was weird since they usually avoided death references.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _LightMeww_ View Post
    What surprised me the most was how 4Kids kept the line about Charmander dying if his flame went out, which was weird since they usually avoided death references.
    Tbh, I think subjects of death were only taboo to 4Kids when it involved humans. Pokemon dying was okay, though.

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    I like Damian's accent, but my goodness was he a jerk. I'm happy that Ash caught Charmander here, and I like Team Rocket's bazooka too.

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    This was a memorable episode. Charmander sure started off a tearjerker of a Pokemon. What on earth happened?

    Liked we got a huge display of Team Rocket showing their key difference from other comical villains (at least sometimes). Firstly they can become savvy to past errors, and secondly they can recycle schemes from old episodes with such corrections.

    Damien kind of felt like a one note antagonist, an over saturated jerk of the highest order who gloats VERY LOUDLY in public about all the horrid things he does and how much pride he takes in it. He worked to make the plot flow (and I loved Pikachu helping Charmander give him his just deserts, one of his first 'big brother' moments) but he seemed to have zero character but being a big blob of expositioning nastiness. Funny how he sounds like Meowth putting on a bad British accent too. Maddie sure loved that voice in the early episodes, likely why Meowth ended up getting it when she took over as him.

    Brock got some good character displays this episode (shame not many others after made him as proactive). One thing i noticed is that when he threatens Damien he sounds completely emotionless in English compared to the Japanese version. Usually I complain about lack of emotion in the dub, but it sort of worked in giving him a very controlled, subdued Batman-like menace towards Damien after the younger two were all set to scream blue murder at him, especially given how more stoic he was early on. "We can handle this like gentlemen or I can punch your teeth in."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bananarama View Post
    I like Damian's accent, but my goodness was he a jerk.
    Maddie put on her worst fake British accent. I feel like it was her worst acting role in Pokemon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _LightMeww_ View Post
    What surprised me the most was how 4Kids kept the line about Charmander dying if his flame went out, which was weird since they usually avoided death references.
    Given that Hitokage's life being in danger during the storm was such a vital part of the episode and was the most intense moment, the English dub needed to keep the dialogue that mentioned Hitokage's possible death intact. They could've tried sugar-coating it, but that would've ruined the suspense.

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    Why was Damian so cocky anyways? He kept bragging, yet we were never given a chance to see exactly why Damian was so overconfident.

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    Upon reflection I'm kind of disappointed that Brock wasn't the one to catch Charizard when he showed the most concern for it.

    If OS was more like later seasons and Ash didn't hog all the starters, I wonder if Misty would have caught Squirtle and Brock Charmander?
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    Quote Originally Posted by _LightMeww_ View Post
    What surprised me the most was how 4Kids kept the line about Charmander dying if his flame went out, which was weird since they usually avoided death references.
    They didn't really start getting wussy about that kind of stuff until much later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red and Blue View Post
    Upon reflection I'm kind of disappointed that Brock wasn't the one to catch Charizard when he showed the most concern for it.
    Takeshi caring for Hitokage's well-being would've also been good foreshadowing for his inevitable Pokemon Doctor career, so it's a shame that he didn't capture Hitokage.

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    I think that Brock catching Charmander would have been a odd in the long run, knowing what is to come with Charmander evolving and having a tough relationship with Ash for a while. Anyone who watched this series as a kid can probably still remember that Charizard was Ash's misbehaving Pokémon that always gave him a hard time. That's not something that I think the show could have pulled off with Bulbasaur or Squirtle. Maybe a belligerent Venusaur would have worked, but in the long run it makes sense to me for Ash to be the one to catch it in the end.

    Also, Damian's accent was so bad, but I thought it was hilarious at the same time. It made me think of him as trying to put it on to seem cooler. His character was definitely trying to show off, and I think it's a little trait to give him that makes him sound so haughty and dumb, which is comedic, haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manchee View Post
    Also, Damian's accent was so bad, but I thought it was hilarious at the same time. It made me think of him as trying to put it on to seem cooler. His character was definitely trying to show off, and I think it's a little trait to give him that makes him sound so haughty and dumb, which is comedic, haha.
    I remember disliking his English dub voice, although what I disliked even more was how he was bragging about abandoning Hitokage, which was on-par with animal cruelty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red and Blue View Post
    Upon reflection I'm kind of disappointed that Brock wasn't the one to catch Charizard when he showed the most concern for it.

    If OS was more like later seasons and Ash didn't hog all the starters, I wonder if Misty would have caught Squirtle and Brock Charmander?

    I honestly wonder if that wasn't the original intention? It really seemed like Brock was suppose to get Charmander and then something last minute happened and the writer got a note from Gamefreak or Nintendo that no Ash needs to have all the Red/Green/Blue starters. Of course if Brock had captured Charmander while it probably would have been one of his most used Pokemon I bet it would have been lucky to evolve into Charmeleon by the end of Johto.

    Really it didn't seem to be a reason to show Brock's concern for Charmander if it wasn't intended for him before executive meddling. The only real foresahdowing to Ash getting Charmander is saying he was disappointed he didn't get one (but not really because iirc Squirtle was his first choice and then Bulbasaur and then Charmander and he fanboy'd waaaay more over Bulbasaur in his debut than he did Charmander)

    And bulbasaur evolving into a disobedient Pokemon would have made more sense anyways since Bulbasaur was the least trustful around trainers to begin with even thinking they were abandon in the island of the giant Pokemon episode. And plus I think Venusaur would have gotten a lot more love if it was the starter that got to fully evolve in the anime.

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    Wow, so Ash got Charmander for no reason. How many times did Ash get something without really earning it in Kanto?? I would've rather seen Brock get Charmander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ᎠᎬȺᎢḤ View Post
    Wow, so Ash got Charmander for no reason. How many times did Ash get something without really earning it in Kanto?? I would've rather seen Brock get Charmander.
    If we don't count his starter (and we shouldn't) he only had Charmander and Squirtle of all the Pokemon he got in Kanto just given to him. He caught the rest. And then he did earn 3 and half badges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie View Post
    The best part of this episode was when Charmander and Pikachu taught Damien a lesson (how was he able to have so many Poke balls?)
    It grinds my gears that Charmander had to punish Damien when all of this could've been avoided if Nurse Joy had taken matters into her own hands. She knew Damien's cruelty but she didn't intervene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daizy View Post
    It grinds my gears that Charmander had to punish Damien when all of this could've been avoided if Nurse Joy had taken matters into her own hands. She knew Damien's cruelty but she didn't intervene.
    She wasn't a police officer like Junsa, so Joi couldn't have punished him for his abusive tendencies toward Hitokage.

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